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Coming soon, Bearcat Banter firestorm.05-stirthepot
 
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(09-20-2016 04:07 PM)Demoengr Wrote:  Coming soon, Bearcat Banter firestorm.05-stirthepot

Troll
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No troll. It is out there if you look. Three rows around the perimeter and more in the student section.
 
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Haven't found any plans yet, but work has begun hiring the contractor.


http://www.hvacbids.net/bid_opportunitie...ation.html

http://www.comba.com/uploads/3/4/5/2/345...7_2016.pdf
 
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(09-20-2016 10:04 PM)Demoengr Wrote:  No troll. It is out there if you look. Three rows around the perimeter and more in the student section.

If that's true, it's at least 1,500 seats.
 
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Plans are tricky to find, but they are out there. I'll summarize.

Remove 2 rows from each side (technically 3, but that first row of bleachers was already removed seasons ago)

Remove "Pockets" from each corner (111,112+some of 113 ; some of 116+117, 118). These will take out 8 rows, but maintain the stadiums radius.

On Football gameday these "Pockets" will be infilled with curved bleachers, so that when full you should not be able to tell on TV. It should be a wash as far as seating.

Bleachers (seating 571) will be added underneath the Lair to compensate for the 2 rows removed.

If there is any net loss in actual seats it will be very minimal...official capacity of 40,000 will be unchanged.
 
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I assume all of this comes with a new scoreboard and sound system, right? Right.....?
 
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(09-21-2016 05:44 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  I assume all of this comes with a new scoreboard and sound system, right? Right.....?

No, soccer needs this so it will happen. Scoreboard and sound system are a bit more superfluous.

Haven't had much time to look so perhaps someone who found them can tell the rest of us where the plans are located?
 
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(09-21-2016 04:26 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  Plans are tricky to find, but they are out there. I'll summarize.

Remove 2 rows from each side (technically 3, but that first row of bleachers was already removed seasons ago)

Remove "Pockets" from each corner (111,112+some of 113 ; some of 116+117, 118). These will take out 8 rows, but maintain the stadiums radius.

On Football gameday these "Pockets" will be infilled with curved bleachers, so that when full you should not be able to tell on TV. It should be a wash as far as seating.

Bleachers (seating 571) will be added underneath the Lair to compensate for the 2 rows removed.

If there is any net loss in actual seats it will be very minimal...official capacity of 40,000 will be unchanged.

Do you have any links to these plans? I would like to see some renderings of these "pocket" areas.
 
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I was just thinking we needed a completely new thread to poo poo FCC and the University efforts to bring in more revenue and more people to campus. Thanks for starting this.
 
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(09-21-2016 07:20 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I was just thinking we needed a completely new thread to poo poo FCC and the University efforts to bring in more revenue and more people to campus. Thanks for starting this.

Nice strawman argument. No one is "poo pooing" FCC or saying they shouldn't play there to bring more people to campus or generate revenue. The objections are changing the basic character of the FOOTBALL stadium for a different sport and a private entity and the total lack of transparency with the entire project. The "I love soccer" crew's willful ignorance of this is mystifying.
 
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I got an email from Bohn sometime back saying on Football game day there would be nothing that showed frutbol was played a Nippert. I guess that is out the window.
 
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I have the complete set of plans but don't have the time or tech savvy to post them. Here's a picture of one of the pages. Hopefully, you can see the details.


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(09-21-2016 07:59 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:20 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I was just thinking we needed a completely new thread to poo poo FCC and the University efforts to bring in more revenue and more people to campus. Thanks for starting this.

Nice strawman argument. No one is "poo pooing" FCC or saying they shouldn't play there to bring more people to campus or generate revenue. The objections are changing the basic character of the FOOTBALL stadium for a different sport and a private entity and the total lack of transparency with the entire project. The "I love soccer" crew's willful ignorance of this is mystifying.

He travels from thread to thread doing the exact same thing. Apparently concern over lack of transparency means one hates soccer and FC Cincinnati. His repeated attempts to derail legitimate, calm discussions is tiresome.
 
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(09-21-2016 08:44 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:59 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:20 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I was just thinking we needed a completely new thread to poo poo FCC and the University efforts to bring in more revenue and more people to campus. Thanks for starting this.

Nice strawman argument. No one is "poo pooing" FCC or saying they shouldn't play there to bring more people to campus or generate revenue. The objections are changing the basic character of the FOOTBALL stadium for a different sport and a private entity and the total lack of transparency with the entire project. The "I love soccer" crew's willful ignorance of this is mystifying.

He travels from thread to thread doing the exact same thing. Apparently concern over lack of transparency means one hates soccer and FC Cincinnati. His repeated attempts to derail legitimate, calm discussions is tiresome.

Both sides are exhausting. The passive aggressiveness and direct dooshbaggery (I know) from either viewpoint is apparent. What's said about one side, can very easily be transferred to the other.

I'm out of this argument one way or the other, because neither side will budge, but to feign innocence in this escalated drawn out conflict is ridiculous.
 
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(09-21-2016 07:59 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:20 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I was just thinking we needed a completely new thread to poo poo FCC and the University efforts to bring in more revenue and more people to campus. Thanks for starting this.

Nice strawman argument. No one is "poo pooing" FCC or saying they shouldn't play there to bring more people to campus or generate revenue. The objections are changing the basic character of the FOOTBALL stadium for a different sport and a private entity and the total lack of transparency with the entire project. The "I love soccer" crew's willful ignorance of this is mystifying.

Not a strawman argument. There are multiple threads dealing with BS we don't need a new thread to talk about it.

Your objections are to message board speculation about changing the basic character of the Football stadium. The "lack of transparency" is only a thought because of message board posts on the subject. What the university has said is that it will not make any changes that affect capacity or negatively impact the football viewing experience. I have no reason but to trust them in those comments and the whole lack of transparency argument is based on random speculation from people who have been hostile to soccer at Nippert from the beginning. I think the most likely scenario is UC told FCC they'd be open to ways to improve Nippert as a soccer facility provided FCC funded it and it benefited Football as well. I have no reason to believe we sold out anything about Nippert for soccer and it's not shocking that the "lack of transparency" BS comes from people hostile to soccer at Nippert from the beginning.

I don't love soccer. I enjoy it, but it is well behind Basketball and Football. I enjoy watching some EPL though I don't watch every week even my favorite team like I would for sports I truly care about. The characterization of "I love soccer crew" is a baseless attack that has ignored every point I've made on the subject.

However, I do love getting a new chance to go down to Nippert in the offseason. I do love the university getting to make profits during the offseason by having a new use for Nippert that is drawing 15K plus a game down to campus. I do love new people getting to check out the campus and the boom to the area.
 
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I have no problem with FCC playing in our stadium when we aren't using it, and I was quite excited when it was announced. It's another source of revenue for UC and brings new people to see our beautiful campus.

However, it does seem to me that FCC has gotten the much better end of the deal and there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Where's our sound system we were promised? Where's our scoreboard we were promised? Why has our field looked like crap at times this season and why don't we have a midfield logo that fits with the rest of the field? Why are we taking out a lot of permanent seats and replacing them with moveable bleachers? And why has there not been clear communication from the AD about any of this?

I'll say it again, I have nothing against soccer or FCC, but there is just a lot of weirdness and unanswered questions about this deal. I'm not angry, just confused.
 
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(09-21-2016 09:28 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I have no problem with FCC playing in our stadium when we aren't using it, and I was quite excited when it was announced. It's another source of revenue for UC and brings new people to see our beautiful campus.

However, it does seem to me that FCC has gotten the much better end of the deal and there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Where's our sound system we were promised? Where's our scoreboard we were promised? Why has our field looked like crap at times this season and why don't we have a midfield logo that fits with the rest of the field? Why are we taking out a lot of permanent seats and replacing them with moveable bleachers? And why has there not been clear communication from the AD about any of this?

I'll say it again, I have nothing against soccer or FCC, but there is just a lot of weirdness and unanswered questions about this deal. I'm not angry, just confused.

When were we promised a new scoreboard and sound system from the deal? I think I saw one or two message board posts about it and then the anti-soccer folks basically brought it up as proof we lost in the deal over and over again.

Our field has looked like crap? I've felt exactly the opposite. I think it's looked great. Midfield is not as faded yet so if you really look you can see it's different, but it's look fine as well.

Again other than message board conjecture where do you have anything on any specific plans to change the stadium?

FCC has gotten a great deal using Nippert, but UC has brought in additional income, more people to campus, more business for the area surrounding campus, a new fun experience for our students, new visitors locker rooms and that's just the stuff we know about.
 
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We do this constantly. If you are that concerned about the FCC Contract then just file a FOIA request to get it. Guess what nobody on here will do it because they are too lazy and they'd just rather complain about something they've never seen and have no actual knowledge of.


Nobody who has the authority to do so has promised a new sound system or video board. If you're believing internet message boards for details of a contract or promises between donor and school then that's probably not too bright on your part.

Also Linder is donating a ton to build a new business school is it really worth pissing him off by not allowing him to make changes to the stadium when he's donating millions to make the academics better?
 
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