Quote:One of the main methane culprits: manure. Per the bill, dairy farmers have to cut methane emissions to 40 percent below 2013 levels by 2030. Under a cap-and-trade plan, farmers will receive aid from the $50 million or so raised via polluter fees, which they can then put toward machinery that uses methane to create energy they can in turn sell to electric companies.

The state's Air Resources Board can also now regulate bovine flatulence, as long as there are practical ways to reduce the cows' belching and breaking wind.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/09/2...ornia.html

(09-20-2016 11:43 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:One of the main methane culprits: manure. Per the bill, dairy farmers have to cut methane emissions to 40 percent below 2013 levels by 2030. Under a cap-and-trade plan, farmers will receive aid from the $50 million or so raised via polluter fees, which they can then put toward machinery that uses methane to create energy they can in turn sell to electric companies.

The state's Air Resources Board can also now regulate bovine flatulence, as long as there are practical ways to reduce the cows' belching and breaking wind.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/09/2...ornia.html

CARB is one of the most damaging organizations on the planet in regard to business and industry. Because of California's purchasing power CARB regulations stretch nationwide and abroad. Now cow farts... Wonderful. Expect consequences of this.

Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

They're one of the most tasty animals on the planet

(09-20-2016 11:58 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

They're one of the most tasty animals on the planet

That's why most don't want to know how much damage they actually do.

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without grazing herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

(09-20-2016 12:17 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without graving herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:17 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without graving herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

oh you have to give me a link...

(09-20-2016 12:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:17 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without graving herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

oh you have to give me a link...

History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

(09-20-2016 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:17 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cows are one of the most damaging animals on the planet.

Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without graving herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

oh you have to give me a link...

History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

so the Chihuahuan Desert was caused by overgrazing?

(09-20-2016 12:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:17 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Cows are a critical part of seasonal wildland grazing and management. Without graving herds of animals, seasonal grassland becomes permanent desert. The desert btw? Gives off enormous amounts of CO2. Healthy grazed grassland sequesters CO2.

But don't let a little science get in the way of your environmental fanaticism.

This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

oh you have to give me a link...

History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

so the Chihuahuan Desert was caused by overgrazing?

"According to the World Wide Fund for Nature the Chihuahuan Desert may be the most biologically diverse desert in the world as measured by species richness or endemism. The region has been badly degraded, mainly due to grazing.[2] Many native grasses and other species have become dominated by woody native plants, including creosote bush and mesquite, due to overgrazing "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert

When beef and dairy prices soar due to the regulations the same folks pushing this nonsense will be the ones screaming how unfair it is that only the rich can eat.

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

Overgrazing is bad. No grazing is even worse. The key to proper responsible land management is to keep the herd moving. Like they would in nature. They trample down undergrowth, eat overgrowth, and leave fertilizer for the future vegetation that will grow in its place bigger, healthier, and stronger.

(09-20-2016 12:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

Overgrazing is bad. No grazing is even worse. The key to proper responsible land management is to keep the herd moving. Like they would in nature. They trample down undergrowth, eat overgrowth, and leave fertilizer for the future vegetation that will grow in its place bigger, healthier, and stronger.

Thank you for clarifying that.

(09-20-2016 12:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is the exact opposite of what us here down in the deserts of Texas were taught.

What we were taught in Texas was that the deserts we have now in West Texas were in fact caused by overgrazing.

oh you have to give me a link...

History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

so the Chihuahuan Desert was caused by overgrazing?

"According to the World Wide Fund for Nature the Chihuahuan Desert may be the most biologically diverse desert in the world as measured by species richness or endemism. The region has been badly degraded, mainly due to grazing.[2] Many native grasses and other species have become dominated by woody native plants, including creosote bush and mesquite, due to overgrazing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert

that didnt answer the question...

(09-20-2016 01:03 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  oh you have to give me a link...

History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

so the Chihuahuan Desert was caused by overgrazing?

"According to the World Wide Fund for Nature the Chihuahuan Desert may be the most biologically diverse desert in the world as measured by species richness or endemism. The region has been badly degraded, mainly due to grazing.[2] Many native grasses and other species have become dominated by woody native plants, including creosote bush and mesquite, due to overgrazing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert

that didnt answer the question...

Then I can't help you brah.

(09-20-2016 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:03 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  History of Cattle Ranching in the Southwest

The first cattle arrived in the Southwest in 1540 with the Spanish explorer Francisco Vasquez de Coronado. Bred in a semi-arid environment in western Spain, these cattle were well-adapted to the region's climate (Milchunas 2006). Through the 1700s, the numbers of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Southwest increased, and by 1846 signs of overgrazing began to appear near Sante Fe, the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Puerco watershed in New Mexico (Milchunas 2006). However, grazing generally remained a small disturbance until the cattle boom of the 1880s.

The boom began when Civil War veterans from Texas began to relocate their herds of American cattle from the overgrazed Texan rangelands into Arizona (Morrisey 1950).

Link

so the Chihuahuan Desert was caused by overgrazing?

"According to the World Wide Fund for Nature the Chihuahuan Desert may be the most biologically diverse desert in the world as measured by species richness or endemism. The region has been badly degraded, mainly due to grazing.[2] Many native grasses and other species have become dominated by woody native plants, including creosote bush and mesquite, due to overgrazing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert

that didnt answer the question...

Then I can't help you brah.

because you made a stupid comment that you cant back up. The Chihuahuan desert is over 8,000 years old. So please tell me again how overgrazing created the desert.

Anytime you see a statement about woody plants taking over an area, it is almost completely due to fire suppression methods which prevent natural wildfires from keeping the woody material in check. Open grasslands are naturally hit by lightning, which causes a fast burning wildfire every few years. This keeps the woody material in check, and causes a growth spurt in grasses and succulents. Native plants in the area also typically flower right after a quick burn, and seeds of some plants won't germinate until they are exposed to smoke, meaning they want to germinate as soon as nature clears the area for the to grow.

One of the primary reasons you have the enormous wildfires in California is because natural wildfires are quickly extinguished, and controlled burns are blocked by tree hugging loons who don't understand the damage to the environment they are causing.

You don't typically get enormous super holocausts wildfires caused naturally, because nature will tend to keep the woody material in check every few years with frequent fast burns. But allow some liberal tree hugger in the mix, and that woody material will build up over 5 or more years, which will kill off the rare native plants if the area, then experience a drought condition which is a normal occurrence for the area, and when a wildfire is started, it scorches the area so badly that it takes years to recover from.

swagger #6 (forgive me I didn't read the rest of the thread),

Nicely done. Two bright red herrings packed into a tight little post.

The discussion is:

i) Methane, not CO2. Methane is far worse.
ii) commodity livestock aren't grass fed

Why do cows hate the planet so much?