And just my opinion, but the FSU D should be an attacking physical D, much like LSU and Alabama. #44 is the only one making plays as far as I'm concerned....where are the LBs? where is the aggression?
On the question of aggression I think you'll see it more against other opponents. IMO Jackson's skill set is going to make most linebackers and defensive ends seem passive. He's a guy who's difficult to contain even when you've made the perfect playcall. If you miss on a blitz or break contain on a pass rush he'll murder you.
There's some truth to this. Being aggressive plays into the Cards hands, that's what makes him so difficult to defend. The TV replays consistently showed how Jackson watched the flow of the defense on handoffs. If the linebackers leaned to the direction of the RB then he kept it & had a huge hole to run to. If they stayed home then he handed it off to the RB for a big gain. If you send the rush then he either passes over it or he is athletic enough to elude the blitz & then by the time the secondary gets there he's already gained 30+ yards. You have to pick your poison. FSU, it seems, tried to take away the passing game. I'm not saying that FSU doesn't have issues though. 63-10 shouldn't happen.
I think that when the Noles are behind, but still have time to make a comeback, they go to another gear on offense. But if defeat seems inevitable, they seem to give up (see also Houston in the bowl last year). I wouldn't read into the final score that UL is that much better (especially if you might use that to guide future predictions, as in the Clemson game). An FSU win over Clemson and a Clemson win over Louisville, and you have a 3 way tie for the division. Don't write the Noles off just yet.
BTW, if they are all 7-1 in the league, what is the tie breaker?
tie breaker is # of National Championships
If I'm reading it correctly*, and the three way tie is the result of only losing to each other, then the tie breaker would be the final BCS ranking before the CCG. That is, unless the second highest ranked team is within five places of the higher ranked team, in which case their head to head game would then decide it.
* there are several other tie breakers before this, but none of them would break the tie.
1. Gene Deckerhoff, FSU veteran play by play guy was on a Louisville pregame show Friday before the game. He was very complimentary of the team FSU has this season. Actually said they had the "best defensive line FSU has ever had". When the hosts ask him what FSU's weaknesses were he said "no chinks in the armor". I have linked the interview for anyone that would like to listen.
2. As the season goes along losing to Louisville wont seem like the end of the world for FSU. Maybe the manner in which the lost will be hard to get over but certainly not the loss. Louisville is going to make a lot of teams look worse than FSU before the season's end, if everyone stays healthy.
CJ
(09-19-2016 07:37 PM)bronconick Wrote: Dalvin Cook is afraid of contact with his shoulder. Jimbo claims he's just "rusty", but it's pretty obvious. If they want to be decent, FSU needs a solid rushing attack (and RB blocking in the pocket) because Francois is not Winston, and everyone should have known that. Start giving Patrick 20 carries if Cook can't. Defensively, Kelly failed in 2014, did decently last season, and is failing this season. Might need to start thinking about a replacement.
agreed
Patrick looks good to me...
And just my opinion, but the FSU D should be an attacking physical D, much like LSU and Alabama. #44 is the only one making plays as far as I'm concerned....where are the LBs? where is the aggression?
On the question of aggression I think you'll see it more against other opponents. IMO Jackson's skill set is going to make most linebackers and defensive ends seem passive. He's a guy who's difficult to contain even when you've made the perfect playcall. If you miss on a blitz or break contain on a pass rush he'll murder you.
There's some truth to this. Being aggressive plays into the Cards hands, that's what makes him so difficult to defend. The TV replays consistently showed how Jackson watched the flow of the defense on handoffs. If the linebackers leaned to the direction of the RB then he kept it & had a huge hole to run to. If they stayed home then he handed it off to the RB for a big gain. If you send the rush then he either passes over it or he is athletic enough to elude the blitz & then by the time the secondary gets there he's already gained 30+ yards. You have to pick your poison. FSU, it seems, tried to take away the passing game. I'm not saying that FSU doesn't have issues though. 63-10 shouldn't happen.
I think that when the Noles are behind, but still have time to make a comeback, they go to another gear on offense. But if defeat seems inevitable, they seem to give up (see also Houston in the bowl last year). I wouldn't read into the final score that UL is that much better (especially if you might use that to guide future predictions, as in the Clemson game). An FSU win over Clemson and a Clemson win over Louisville, and you have a 3 way tie for the division. Don't write the Noles off just yet.
BTW, if they are all 7-1 in the league, what is the tie breaker?
I certainly don't think Louisville is 43 points better than FSU. The Noles defensive game plan was all wrong. To beat Jackson you stop the run game & make him beat you through the air. He has a strong arm but occasionally struggles with his accuracy. The linebackers should stay home & attack his decision. FSU was instead making the handoff decision for him. Be patient & not aggressive. Occasionally drop a safety into run coverage. The Cards run game is their strength.
(09-20-2016 03:15 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: A couple of things:
1. Gene Deckerhoff, FSU veteran play by play guy was on a Louisville pregame show Friday before the game. He was very complimentary of the team FSU has this season. Actually said they had the "best defensive line FSU has ever had". When the hosts ask him what FSU's weaknesses were he said "no chinks in the armor". I have linked the interview for anyone that would like to listen.
Yeah I am sure Deckerhoff is a well loved guy in Tallahassee and well respected. So I will not pile on but I heard his interview with Bobby V and he came off great but when he talked to Ramsey and Rutherford he was someone else all together. You can hear from his interview he gave Louisville zero chance. It put alot of folks here locally off, totally different than his early work with Bobby V.
While not trying to bash on FSU, what many need to remember is that UofL's 1st team basically did NOT play the 4th quarter of the game. The score could have been worse than it was, with UofL scoring more and FSU not getting their last 2 scores and ending with 10. The same applied in the Syracuse game -- the 1st string went to the bench midway through the 3rd quarter. In the first game, they didn't play the 2nd half at all. The score in all 3 games could have been closer to a 90 or a 100 if they had played all game and kept pushing or just playing the same.
(09-20-2016 10:45 PM)uldn Wrote: While not trying to bash on FSU, what many need to remember is that UofL's 1st team basically did NOT play the 4th quarter of the game. The score could have been worse than it was, with UofL scoring more and FSU not getting their last 2 scores and ending with 10. The same applied in the Syracuse game -- the 1st string went to the bench midway through the 3rd quarter. In the first game, they didn't play the 2nd half at all. The score in all 3 games could have been closer to a 90 or a 100 if they had played all game and kept pushing or just playing the same.
Incorrect. The game was still a 14 point game going in to the fourth quarter. In fact SU outscored Louisville in the second quarter and tied UL in the third. The start of the fourth the game was 42-28 Louisville, much too close for Petrinos comfort. He had his starters in until midway in the fourth when SU's defense was completely worn out chasing Jackson all over the field and Louisville was scoring at will, like they did in the first quarter.
Syracuse's 28 points came against UL's first team defense. There were no garbage scores for SU. They only scored once in the second half and that was in the third quarter. Louisville was the much better team and dominated that game. No need to exaggerate.
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2016 08:18 AM by cuseroc.)
It's ironic the above came up. I remember thinking during the 2nd half of the FSU game that the Syracuse game had me more on edge late in the game than the game against Seminoles. Maybe it's how I watch the game but I never felt like the game against the Orange was in control until the 4th quarter.
CJ
(09-21-2016 08:19 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: It's ironic the above came up. I remember thinking during the 2nd half of the FSU game that the Syracuse game had me more on edge late in the game than the game against Seminoles. Maybe it's how I watch the game but I never felt like the game against the Orange was in control until the 4th quarter.
CJ
Cuse was an away game and we could rarely get our substitutions in, completely different from our home games. The no huddle and dome effect is an advantage for the Cuse, and I mean that as a complimentary term. We did as well as we could I believe, though the home game we could have run up the score more. Maybe one more score in the Carrier if we started airing it out but that would have been classless. The Orange will win some games in the Carrier Dome but I think they will suffer on the road.
(09-20-2016 10:45 PM)uldn Wrote: While not trying to bash on FSU, what many need to remember is that UofL's 1st team basically did NOT play the 4th quarter of the game. The score could have been worse than it was, with UofL scoring more and FSU not getting their last 2 scores and ending with 10. The same applied in the Syracuse game -- the 1st string went to the bench midway through the 3rd quarter. In the first game, they didn't play the 2nd half at all. The score in all 3 games could have been closer to a 90 or a 100 if they had played all game and kept pushing or just playing the same.
Incorrect. The game was still a 14 point game going in to the fourth quarter. In fact SU outscored Louisville in the second quarter and tied UL in the third. The start of the fourth the game was 42-28 Louisville, much too close for Petrinos comfort. He had his starters in until midway in the fourth when SU's defense was completely worn out chasing Jackson all over the field and Louisville was scoring at will, like they did in the first quarter.
Syracuse's 28 points came against UL's first team defense. There were no garbage scores for SU. They only scored once in the second half and that was in the third quarter. Louisville was the much better team and dominated that game. No need to exaggerate.
Sorry, I misspoke the time -- Lamar played through the first couple of minutes of the 4th quarter and then went out after about 4 minutes into the quarter and a FG to not return any more -- Bolin played the rest of the quarter.
