(09-19-2016 11:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 11:30 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have seen App s AD and GS s AD mention in the last couple weeks this idea of CUSA and the Sun Belt reorganizing regionally. Is there any real chance of this?

I'm happy with what we have.

I'm happy with what we have as well but honestly it makes sense if done right. I have serious doubts it would be done right. Could save all of us hundreds of thousands in travel costs. Attendance would get a bump to if opposing fans can drive to most away games. GS fans travel and travel very well if it is car trip. We had more fans at away playoff games before.

(09-19-2016 12:51 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

As a MAC fan, that does not always work. You do save on travel, but even teams here have to take at least one ATM Game a year or every other year.

We are as compact as it gets, but even schools here have a hard time drawing crowds(sans Toledo and Ohio).

I do have a question however, assuming that this actually happens, would the NCAA let them keep the BB Credits?

Would the television contracts be honored?

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Little different the South.

I've been saying for quite a while that we should blow all the G5 up and start over. It just makes sense. The media dollar bubble is bound to burst sometime. And it apparently has (CUSA's tv deal and pending SBC's renegotiation which, taking a big step back, I'm not overly optimistic about).

But what will presidents and ADs do when faced with that real question? They're more likely to want to regroup based on on-field performance. It's natural. If you're and a great fb school you want to be with other great fb schools, not the stinker just bc they're 150 miles away, despite how prudent it is for every other sport. Reminds me of that children's story of the ant and the grasshopper. CFB right now is the grasshopper.

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(09-20-2016 09:19 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I've been saying for quite a while that we should blow all the G5 up and start over. It just makes sense. The media dollar bubble is bound to burst sometime. And it apparently has (CUSA's tv deal and pending SBC's renegotiation which, taking a big step back, I'm not overly optimistic about).

But what will presidents and ADs do when faced with that real question? They're more likely to want to regroup based on on-field performance. It's natural. If you're and a great fb school you want to be with other great fb schools, not the stinker just bc they're 150 miles away, despite how prudent it is for every other sport. Reminds me of that children's story of the ant and the grasshopper. CFB right now is the grasshopper.

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It's not as natural as you suggest. School presidents view the regrouping differently and ADs need to present them with the best options. While on-field performance matters to fans, presidents approach it with a bit different mind-set, with academics being a part of the picture (and more important than the average fans thinks). Media dollars have had an huge impact, though, on this thinking, but given my experience with institutions and athletics, there are multiple factors involved.

While as fans, it's easy to say "who I want to play and be affiliated," university presidents weigh many issues and they're the folks who get to make the decisions.

(09-20-2016 08:02 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 11:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 11:30 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have seen App s AD and GS s AD mention in the last couple weeks this idea of CUSA and the Sun Belt reorganizing regionally. Is there any real chance of this?

I'm happy with what we have.

I'm happy with what we have as well but honestly it makes sense if done right. I have serious doubts it would be done right. Could save all of us hundreds of thousands in travel costs. Attendance would get a bump to if opposing fans can drive to most away games. GS fans travel and travel very well if it is car trip. We had more fans at away playoff games before.

I am with you. The only way it gets done right is out of necessity. The Big South/ASun was just that. I don't think either CUSA or us are there yet. So any negotiations, if there are any now, would be clouded by individual interests. Do I think this can happen? Yes, but we are talking 5-10 years down the road. But... by that time the Sun Belt will be home to the college juggernaut UWF, and I don't see the Belt giving up that leverage.

Just a few thoughts:

When the "tv money dries up".. will the coverage dry up as well?
I ask because, I think there is great value in the coverage alone and I'd hate to lose that. Streaming may overcome tv packages, but there are still advertising dollars in it. I don't think tv/media/streaming money will totally dry up.
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If compact conferences are the ultimate end game, I suppose we are doomed to be in a conference with Mercer, Sav. State, Kennesaw State & GaSt. Doesn't that lose Advertising appeal to national branded products?
Also hard to sell hotel rooms and help local economies when nobody has to get a room.
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Don't think any of this will happen until P5 conferences are done and we see what is left.
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(09-20-2016 09:56 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Just a few thoughts:

When the "tv money dries up".. will the coverage dry up as well?
I ask because, I think there is great value in the coverage alone and I'd hate to lose that. Streaming may overcome tv packages, but there are still advertising dollars in it. I don't think tv/media/streaming money will totally dry up.
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If compact conferences are the ultimate end game, I suppose we are doomed to be in a conference with Mercer, Sav. State, Kennesaw State & GaSt. Doesn't that lose Advertising appeal to national branded products?
Also hard to sell hotel rooms and help local economies when nobody has to get a room.
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Don't think any of this will happen until P5 conferences are done and we see what is left.
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Everybody itching to have a new Big South or Southland bus conference. Yippee.

If we can get Grambling to join in then ULM and LaTech will be financially set.

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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(09-20-2016 10:57 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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Lol, y'all making fun of us while hankering for MTSU and they don't even attend their own games, much less yours.

(09-19-2016 08:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

You'd probably make a lot off visitors by playing Charlotte, UT-Chatt, Western Carolina, etc. if more visitors and daving travel costs is your end goal.

We didn't make much of anything off UTC & WCU fans the last 10 years in the SmallCon.

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(09-20-2016 11:01 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 10:57 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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Lol, y'all making fun of us while hankering for MTSU and they don't even attend their own games, much less yours.

Then we've lost nothing on visiting fans, but gained a lot of dollars in less travel costs.

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So for anyone who's in the know on whatever big shakeup has been discussed among those who can actually make it happen, is it more about regional realignment or getting the schools with more tradition and attendance to band together? It doesn't seem like it'll work very well if it tries to be both. As has been noted, there are probably too many individual interests at work to make that happen.

FWIW, I'm pretty confident that GSU's gonna be fine with whatever comes about. If we remain as we are...great, I like the current setup. If we remain with regional opponents like GS, Troy, USA, App...also great, I like having them on the schedule. If we get "stuck" with like-minded metro schools that everyone else seems to be trying to avoid (Charlotte, FAU, FIU, UAB to an extent)...I honestly don't think that's going to be a problem. I just wish it'd happen sooner rather than later (if it's going to happen at all) so we can start building a history with those schools.

Overall, though, there still just seem to be too many hurdles to make such a rearrangement worth the effort it's going to take.

As some others have mentioned this isnt just about football. Cost savings and less missed class time are the big reasons for realignment I hear coming from administrators. The ability to attract more fans to football & basketball games and closer trips for our fans is a bonus.

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(09-20-2016 11:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:01 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 10:57 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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Lol, y'all making fun of us while hankering for MTSU and they don't even attend their own games, much less yours.

Then we've lost nothing on visiting fans, but gained a lot of dollars in less travel costs.

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Save them pennies.

Y'all need a league you can walk to.

(09-20-2016 11:17 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  As some others have mentioned this isnt just about football. Cost savings and less missed class time are the big reasons for realignment I hear coming from administrators. The ability to attract more fans to football & basketball games and closer trips for our fans is a bonus.

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Why the hell did you all leave FCS? First it was endless travel partner complaining and now its all about not wanting to travel beyond the next holler because its too expensive.

(09-19-2016 11:52 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 10:56 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  New Power Conference: Marshall, ODU, WKU, APP, GS, MTSU, Troy, USA, Ark State, La Tech, UL

New Metro Conference: CCU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, GAST, ULM, TXST, UTSA, UNT

Actually not a bad set up for either conference. The schools in each conference are related academically and athletically with some exceptions.

or...

New Big South Conference (pay'em $1m to swap names w/ the SBC):
Troy, GS, CCU, App St, JMU, Marshall / WKU, MTSU, MO St, AR St, ULM, UL

New Metro Conference (old C-USA):
FIU, FAU, UAB, GSU, UNCC, ODU / USA, USM, LA Tech, TXST, UTSA, UNT

I'm almost on board until I see some of these crazy ass scenarios.

(09-20-2016 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:01 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 10:57 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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Lol, y'all making fun of us while hankering for MTSU and they don't even attend their own games, much less yours.

Then we've lost nothing on visiting fans, but gained a lot of dollars in less travel costs.

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Save them pennies.

Y'all need a league you can walk to.

No lucid, logical rebuttal? No problem! Just break out the insults! A very successful business owner gave me this bit of advice years ago. You take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves. I suggest you commit it to memory.

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(09-20-2016 11:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:01 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 10:57 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Probably right. They had to in to order to make thatvtrip on a Thursday night.

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Lol, y'all making fun of us while hankering for MTSU and they don't even attend their own games, much less yours.

Then we've lost nothing on visiting fans, but gained a lot of dollars in less travel costs.

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Save them pennies.

Y'all need a league you can walk to.

No lucid, logical rebuttal? No problem! Just break out the insults! A very successful business owner gave me this bit of advice years ago. You take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves. I suggest you commit it to memory.

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Penny wise and pound foolish is another.

Chasing pennies and losing dollars is another but in this case we would not be losing anything and saving pennies and by pennies I mean a min thousands if not hundreds of thousands for a team and conference per year. Losing App would stink and would be the only real game that would affect attendance especially a week day game for us but other than that regional allignment has nothing but upside to it. No team in CUSA or the Belt is a Houston or Boise yet and marketzzzzz obviously meant squat in the latest TV deal so neither has a ton to lose.

If 2500 traveling fans show up instead of 500 on average to home game that is not chump change for either school. I am sure all the SoCon schools bean counters were glad GS alums were mostly within driving distance to their school. GT is glad we are as well as they promote our game in their ticket sale ads.

(09-20-2016 11:27 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 11:52 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 10:56 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  New Power Conference: Marshall, ODU, WKU, APP, GS, MTSU, Troy, USA, Ark State, La Tech, UL

New Metro Conference: CCU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, GAST, ULM, TXST, UTSA, UNT

Actually not a bad set up for either conference. The schools in each conference are related academically and athletically with some exceptions.

or...

New Big South Conference (pay'em $1m to swap names w/ the SBC):
Troy, GS, CCU, App St, JMU, Marshall / WKU, MTSU, MO St, AR St, ULM, UL

New Metro Conference (old C-USA):
FIU, FAU, UAB, GSU, UNCC, ODU / USA, USM, LA Tech, TXST, UTSA, UNT

I'm almost on board until I see some of these crazy ass scenarios.

You do realize that's only a 3 school swap? Moving the Atlanta and Mobile schools to the Metro along with the 1 TX school for old 1-AA powers Marshall, MTSU, and WKU. I threw in MO St and JMU to get to 12 and for regional appeal.
All things considered, as a message board scenario I think it's a pretty good compromise.

I'm personally interested in building up rivalries with UAB and Charlotte and the AAC schools. If that has to be via non-conference so be it. I like the current up-side of the SBC. I was just going with the "FCS Powers" vs "Metro" flow. Nobody will ever settle for the "Do's" vs the "Don'ts" leagues some are suggesting. We all bring something to the table.