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RE: New Mexico St. dangles
(09-21-2016 10:30 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:27 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I swear N Texas and NM St used to battle it out for either the Big West or Sun Belt conf title, back in the day. Well, maybe that was just one year. Ha!

EDIT: yeah that was just 2002. NM St went 7-5, the most wins of any Aggies team in quite some time. Lost a close one to N Texas, in Denton, for the Sun Belt title. No bowl game, probably due to the Utah St loss the week before. But did beat both UTEP and NM in the same year!


North Texas and New Mexico State used to be conference mates in the MVC at one time.


Too bad New Mexico State can't form a new conference with these schools?

New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Lamar
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
McNeese State
Central Oklahoma
Central Arkansas
Colorado State-Pueblo
UTRGV (if they restart football, used to have it when they were a JC.)
Wichita State
Missouri State

It could make a new tight conference. Texas would be the center piece.

Houston Baptist can't get an invite too?

don't forget about Abilene Christian either.
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RE: New Mexico St. dangles
(09-21-2016 10:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:30 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:27 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I swear N Texas and NM St used to battle it out for either the Big West or Sun Belt conf title, back in the day. Well, maybe that was just one year. Ha!

EDIT: yeah that was just 2002. NM St went 7-5, the most wins of any Aggies team in quite some time. Lost a close one to N Texas, in Denton, for the Sun Belt title. No bowl game, probably due to the Utah St loss the week before. But did beat both UTEP and NM in the same year!


North Texas and New Mexico State used to be conference mates in the MVC at one time.


Too bad New Mexico State can't form a new conference with these schools?

New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Lamar
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
McNeese State
Central Oklahoma
Central Arkansas
Colorado State-Pueblo
UTRGV (if they restart football, used to have it when they were a JC.)
Wichita State
Missouri State

It could make a new tight conference. Texas would be the center piece.

Houston Baptist can't get an invite too?

don't forget about Abilene Christian either.


Midwestern State might work better. Lone Star Conference was considered D1 back in the old days. One of the oldests conferences in the country. I think the NAIA conference of the Kansas schools are the oldest of them all with Kansas and Kansas State were former founders.
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RE: New Mexico St. dangles
(09-21-2016 10:30 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:27 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I swear N Texas and NM St used to battle it out for either the Big West or Sun Belt conf title, back in the day. Well, maybe that was just one year. Ha!

EDIT: yeah that was just 2002. NM St went 7-5, the most wins of any Aggies team in quite some time. Lost a close one to N Texas, in Denton, for the Sun Belt title. No bowl game, probably due to the Utah St loss the week before. But did beat both UTEP and NM in the same year!


North Texas and New Mexico State used to be conference mates in the MVC at one time.


Too bad New Mexico State can't form a new conference with these schools?

New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Lamar
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
McNeese State
Central Oklahoma
Central Arkansas
Colorado State-Pueblo
UTRGV (if they restart football, used to have it when they were a JC.)
Wichita State
Missouri State

It could make a new tight conference. Texas would be the center piece.

Houston Baptist can't get an invite too?
They could have Wichita's spot
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Southland might be possible for NM St, if it moves down. They have 13 members. Still quite a bit of miles between Las Cruces and most of those members, though.
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RE: New Mexico St. dangles
(09-21-2016 10:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:30 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 10:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 07:27 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I swear N Texas and NM St used to battle it out for either the Big West or Sun Belt conf title, back in the day. Well, maybe that was just one year. Ha!

EDIT: yeah that was just 2002. NM St went 7-5, the most wins of any Aggies team in quite some time. Lost a close one to N Texas, in Denton, for the Sun Belt title. No bowl game, probably due to the Utah St loss the week before. But did beat both UTEP and NM in the same year!


North Texas and New Mexico State used to be conference mates in the MVC at one time.


Too bad New Mexico State can't form a new conference with these schools?

New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Lamar
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
McNeese State
Central Oklahoma
Central Arkansas
Colorado State-Pueblo
UTRGV (if they restart football, used to have it when they were a JC.)
Wichita State
Missouri State

It could make a new tight conference. Texas would be the center piece.

Houston Baptist can't get an invite too?

don't forget about Abilene Christian either.


Midwestern State might work better. Lone Star Conference was considered D1 back in the old days. One of the oldests conferences in the country. I think the NAIA conference of the Kansas schools are the oldest of them all with Kansas and Kansas State were former founders.

It crushes me, David, every time you leave Sul Rose State and New Mexico Highlands off of your lists. If any schools have Division 1 potential, it's those two.
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Those 2 were part of the big boys back in the early 1900s from what I can tell. That was before the NCAA and NAIA formed.Even some community colleges were part of the group back then.
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Geography precludes FCS as being viable for NMSU, I am afraid, but it makes a great deal of sense for both UTEP and UNM to play NMSU home and home. Getting G5 home and homes isn't always easy, and having an affordable opponent that doesn't cost much to go play just makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't be surprised if NMSU ends up on the AState schedule given that AState was a very vocal proponent of not just retaining NMSU football only be an advocate for full membership.
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With Big Sky going from Portland, to Sac, to Grand Forks, to Flagstaff ... you can't possible conclude that Las Cruces is already "precluded" from that conference.
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(09-21-2016 01:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Geography precludes FCS as being viable for NMSU, I am afraid, but it makes a great deal of sense for both UTEP and UNM to play NMSU home and home. Getting G5 home and homes isn't always easy, and having an affordable opponent that doesn't cost much to go play just makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't be surprised if NMSU ends up on the AState schedule given that AState was a very vocal proponent of not just retaining NMSU football only be an advocate for full membership.

I would really welcome games being played between NMSU and stAte. A good school with name recognition.
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West Texas A&M could have helped out if they stayed in FBS instead of moving down to FCS then down to D2. They were kinda out on an island by themselves in the Lone Star Conference until the three New Mexico schools join.
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If NMSU opts for FCS I think the Big Sky will be our destination (assuming they have room).

There is a very strong cultural fit - several land grant schools, several academically recognized schools, obviously Western. The geography is a little tough - travel would be a killer - but then it would be in any other FCS league too. Our president contacted several Big Sky schools immediately after he was named president, so there is an interest.

The Southland, the other obvious FCS option is just not as good of a fit from a school profile standpoint. Also I think it would be tougher to compete, given our more geographic outlier status in that conference. We would be recruiting in everyone else's backyard. Not so in the Big Sky.
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(09-21-2016 07:44 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  If NMSU opts for FCS I think the Big Sky will be our destination (assuming they have room).

There is a very strong cultural fit - several land grant schools, several academically recognized schools, obviously Western. The geography is a little tough - travel would be a killer - but then it would be in any other FCS league too. Our president contacted several Big Sky schools immediately after he was named president, so there is an interest.

The Southland, the other obvious FCS option is just not as good of a fit from a school profile standpoint. Also I think it would be tougher to compete, given our more geographic outlier status in that conference. We would be recruiting in everyone else's backyard. Not so in the Big Sky.


I would agree that the BSC would be the best fit if NMSU would have to go that route (and I hope you don't). 14 or 15 football schools doesn't make a big difference.

Besides the Land Grant/Flagship similarities to many of the members, you would also be renewing one of your top 10 most played schools, NAU :)
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If NMSU downgrades, it needs to find a way to pull five FCS schools with them, even if two of those are football-only members Cal Poly and UC Davis:

Cal Poly*
UC Davis*
Northern Arizona
Southern Utah
Northern Colorado
New Mexico State

That would take the WAC to 11 full members, with Chicago State likely doomed to fail, bringing the league back to 10 members. Grand Canyon, Utah Valley, UMKC, and UTRGV would be travel partners for the full members; Seattle and Bakersfield would be the final set of travel partners.

The Big Sky would be at 9 members, with North Dakota entertaining the idea of leaving. If UND does wander off to the Summit, football-only membership in the FCS WAC would be UND's backup option for football.

That certainly makes more sense than 15 teams in the same conference for football, and possibly 13 teams (or more) playing for one bid to the big dance.


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The obvious path towards that end would be to revive the Big West, as an FCS conference:

Poly, Davis from the Big West
Sac, SUU, NM St, Northern Colo from the realigned WAC

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NMSU needs to cut down on travel expenses. If they downgrade football - and I hope they don't - they should approach the Big West. As an FCS conference it works well as you'll only need two more members; Sac State will sign up for that.

NMSU
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Sac State
Portland State
Northern Arizona
Weber State

With NMSU back in the fold and UC San Diego and Sac State coming aboard, the Big West stops at 12. Or if Sac State doesn't want full membership, they can go to the WAC and Portland State will join the Big West.

NAU and Weber State would be football-only members and put their other sports in the WAC. That puts the WAC at 10. Supposedly Cal Baptist will seek admission as soon as they are eligible to move up to D1. They are insurance in case Chicago State does fail.

The Big Sky is way too bloated, even with Idaho football coming back. This makes everyone happy.
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Portland St, N AZ, and Weber aren't going to leave the Big Sky.
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But SUU and Northern Colorado will?
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They haven't accrued the time in the conf to have a say.
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Dixie State did an upgrade to their football stadium, Azusa Pacific and Humboldt State are some good additions. West Texas A&M could be okay, and Colorado State-Pueblo and Colorado Mesa might work out in there somewhere. If any BSC schools do get an invite to FBS? GNAC schools might be looked at. Western Washington (if they restart football), Western Oregon, Central Washington, Montana State-Billings (could restart football), Sioux Falls or South Dakota Mines could be options.
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New Mexico State has a couple of options.

1) Realignment. It could happen and it could open up a spot for NMSU in CUSA or the SBC.

2) Independence. There are schools that would play NMSU as an Independent.

I think FCS is a mistake for NMSU. If UNM ever left the MWC, NMSU is all but an automatic call up. That is not the same as Idaho which the MWC is avoiding at all costs.
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