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RE: Everytime I watch Louisville play
(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 08:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 10:03 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Howard Schnellenberger
Went to Oklahoma and got fired ? We want Fuente to get fired and become a drunk. Think that will do it?

He was 54-56 at UL. Took them to two bowl games in his 10 seasons there.

On campus Howard Schnellenberger statue NOW!!!

He won 8 games his first 3 years

Plus bowl games meant more back in the late 80s early 90s and there weren't a million of them

Ever hear of the Fiesta Bowl? 1991 Lousiville 34 Alabama 7

Oh and for the Jurich did everything crowd :

Schnellenberger's lasting legacy at U of L however, is Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which he proposed from the minute he arrived. Schnellenberger planned and raised the money for its construction, but left for Oklahoma before the stadium opened. In 2006, Louisville named the Cardinals' football fieldhouse the Howard L. Schnellenberger Football Complex with Schnellenberger in attendance before U of L's game against Florida Atlantic University.[10] The most valuable player award for the UofL and UK is also named after him because he was born and raised in Louisville and he played college at Kentucky.

Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

You don't get it. The Fiesta Bowl season was the one that made all of the bombast he came in with suddenly have substance. It's what made people really believe and the fundraising took off making PJCS a reality. It was sheer force of will to go from considering closing down the football program to an all or nothing gamble on the vision of a prodigal son in the waning days of the age of independents. The Liberty Bowl win over Michigan State in 1993 was reinforcement and it was onward from there.
09-29-2016 09:41 AM
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RE: Everytime I watch Louisville play
(09-20-2016 03:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 02:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Some of the OCS folks say it's gets the alumni back on campus. Yet the same ones want a stadium built at Audubon Park

Only someone with less sense than you would want a stadium at Audubon Park.

I call BS on this statement ....


until you actually come up with a list of people that have less sense than Bluto.
09-29-2016 10:03 AM
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RE: Everytime I watch Louisville play
(09-20-2016 07:45 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Because it puts alumni back on campus... where many Memphis grads never return. Winning doesn't help the business school raise money, but an open house/ fund raising drive the morning of a Memphis home game gives the school of business an opportunity to have former grads drop in. Fraternities would see giving increase, as well. The more active and visible alumni are on the campus of the university, the greater the opportunity for the ENTIRE university to benefit. Its extremely short-sighted to look at it only through the lens of the athletic department.

I think this point is really undersold. The modern OCS is a multipurpose venue and it becomes a centerpiece of campus and alumni life.

The Brown & Williamson club at PJCS was the first part of that at Louisville and it is constantly utilized and is available to the public. My wife and I had our wedding reception there, both of us attended UofL.

I have photos of us on the 50 yard line. That kind of stuff lasts forever.

And at the heart of our expansions are additions to this aspect of the stadium, student and alumni life. It's the suites, the classroom space, and the reception/conference capability becoming a community hub with the additional seating being icing.

This is the B&W Club hosting events and the view of the baseball stadium and Churchill out the window;

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the PNC club was added in the 2010 expansion;

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and then this thing next year;

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RE: Everytime I watch Louisville play
(09-29-2016 09:41 AM)L-yes Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 08:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Went to Oklahoma and got fired ? We want Fuente to get fired and become a drunk. Think that will do it?

He was 54-56 at UL. Took them to two bowl games in his 10 seasons there.

On campus Howard Schnellenberger statue NOW!!!

He won 8 games his first 3 years

Plus bowl games meant more back in the late 80s early 90s and there weren't a million of them

Ever hear of the Fiesta Bowl? 1991 Lousiville 34 Alabama 7

Oh and for the Jurich did everything crowd :

Schnellenberger's lasting legacy at U of L however, is Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which he proposed from the minute he arrived. Schnellenberger planned and raised the money for its construction, but left for Oklahoma before the stadium opened. In 2006, Louisville named the Cardinals' football fieldhouse the Howard L. Schnellenberger Football Complex with Schnellenberger in attendance before U of L's game against Florida Atlantic University.[10] The most valuable player award for the UofL and UK is also named after him because he was born and raised in Louisville and he played college at Kentucky.

Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

You don't get it. The Fiesta Bowl season was the one that made all of the bombast he came in with suddenly have substance. It's what made people really believe and the fundraising took off making PJCS a reality. It was sheer force of will to go from considering closing down the football program to an all or nothing gamble on the vision of a prodigal son in the waning days of the age of independents. The Liberty Bowl win over Michigan State in 1993 was reinforcement and it was onward from there.

But do you not agree that a lesser AD might have not taken that momentum and turned into what it has become today?

While it is not close to a Fiesta Bowl or a conference championship, we had some real momentum going in Memphis circa 2003/2004. We actually led the conference in football attendance without really even coming close to a conference championship. We had fans excited about the program and ready to take the next step.

What happened next? Nothing positive. We didn't do anything at all to improve facilities or take advantage of the excitement and the momentum. We soon fired the coach, hired a worse coach and slipped back into mediocrity.
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RE: Everytime I watch Louisville play
(09-29-2016 04:03 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(09-29-2016 09:41 AM)L-yes Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-20-2016 08:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  He was 54-56 at UL. Took them to two bowl games in his 10 seasons there.

On campus Howard Schnellenberger statue NOW!!!

He won 8 games his first 3 years

Plus bowl games meant more back in the late 80s early 90s and there weren't a million of them

Ever hear of the Fiesta Bowl? 1991 Lousiville 34 Alabama 7

Oh and for the Jurich did everything crowd :

Schnellenberger's lasting legacy at U of L however, is Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which he proposed from the minute he arrived. Schnellenberger planned and raised the money for its construction, but left for Oklahoma before the stadium opened. In 2006, Louisville named the Cardinals' football fieldhouse the Howard L. Schnellenberger Football Complex with Schnellenberger in attendance before U of L's game against Florida Atlantic University.[10] The most valuable player award for the UofL and UK is also named after him because he was born and raised in Louisville and he played college at Kentucky.

Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

You don't get it. The Fiesta Bowl season was the one that made all of the bombast he came in with suddenly have substance. It's what made people really believe and the fundraising took off making PJCS a reality. It was sheer force of will to go from considering closing down the football program to an all or nothing gamble on the vision of a prodigal son in the waning days of the age of independents. The Liberty Bowl win over Michigan State in 1993 was reinforcement and it was onward from there.

But do you not agree that a lesser AD might have not taken that momentum and turned into what it has become today?

While it is not close to a Fiesta Bowl or a conference championship, we had some real momentum going in Memphis circa 2003/2004. We actually led the conference in football attendance without really even coming close to a conference championship. We had fans excited about the program and ready to take the next step.

What happened next? Nothing positive. We didn't do anything at all to improve facilities or take advantage of the excitement and the momentum. We soon fired the coach, hired a worse coach and slipped back into mediocrity.

And Tommy West warned us about that very thing.



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