(09-19-2016 03:12 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 01:24 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Regarding Graham's accuracy, he missed several guys no doubt about it. Being an optimist, I think that will improve as the game slows down for him. We will find that out pretty soon. Since we're critiquing let's give him credit for his good throws too. His TD to Kenny G was a thing of beauty and there were others besides that one. He was also under heavy pressure a lot of the time and our receiving corps isn't exactly replete with playmakers either. Once you get beyond the top three of Kenny G, Deucee and Blake it thins out pretty fast.

Regarding his ability to be a D1 QB recall that Chandler Harnish didn't look like a consistent D1 QB until he was a junior. Let's see where Graham is at the end of this year.

Chandler Harnish was a 2 star recruit who destroyed most of the records at his high school. Led his team to runner up spot in state championship, and 6th at state in the discuss. He passed for 4,760 yards and 48 touchdowns, and also ran for 2,343 yards and 35 touchdowns

Ryan Graham was NR, passed for 2007 yds and 24 TDs, ran for 1096 yards and 11 TDs.. What you need to know about Graham (Dad played at NIU).. Which is fine because he was never going to be the starter..

With Harnish we were coming off mediocre seasons..

With Graham we were in the Orange Bowl 1 year prior...

Not sure what ratings site you use, but Harnish was a 2 star(5.3) on Rivals. Graham was also a 2 star(5.3) on Rivals.
As to high school stuff, Harnish went to a school with about 650 kids. Graham's HS had about 2,200.

But let's look at the beginnings of their careers at NIU. Here are Graham's stats to date, and where Harnish was at the same point:

Graham: 73 - 127 passing(57%). 908 yds, 10 td/4 int. 185 Rush yds

Harnish: 72 - 131 passing (55%). 1053 yds, 5 td/5 int. 297 Rush yds

Not saying Graham will be as good as Harnish. But he deserves some time to improve.

I agree. We rarely saw Lynch throw while Harnish was the starting QB. We had no real idea that Lynch would be a good QB once Harnish graduated let alone a great one. Give the youngster some time to grow. The qb position is the most difficult one to learn.

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(09-19-2016 09:23 PM)randy6956 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 01:52 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 01:24 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Regarding Graham's accuracy, he missed several guys no doubt about it. Being an optimist, I think that will improve as the game slows down for him. We will find that out pretty soon. Since we're critiquing let's give him credit for his good throws too. His TD to Kenny G was a thing of beauty and there were others besides that one. He was also under heavy pressure a lot of the time and our receiving corps isn't exactly replete with playmakers either. Once you get beyond the top three of Kenny G, Deucee and Blake it thins out pretty fast.

Regarding his ability to be a D1 QB recall that Chandler Harnish didn't look like a consistent D1 QB until he was a junior. Let's see where Graham is at the end of this year.

You are forgetting Ezra Saffold, DJ Brown and the ever elusive Spencer Tears. Not to mention some decent freshmen recruits. Not too thin or shabby if you ask me. I'll say this they did recruit decent wideouts, this coaching staff just could not recruit a high quality QB for the life of them which there was no reason. After Lynch kids should have lined up to be the next big QB here. Our staff flubbed that one. Perhaps Graham, Santa, or Childers can prove me wrong. I do have high hopes for Rodney Hall, I just hope this staff or the next staff can keep him in the recruiting class.

childers does not even travel or practice with the team he is on scout team ???

I believe Childers was a greyshirt or maybe just a student last year at another school. You should not see him this year as he is considered a true freshman.

(09-20-2016 09:54 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  But let's look at the beginnings of their careers at NIU. Here are Graham's stats to date, and where Harnish was at the same point:

Graham: 73 - 127 passing(57%). 908 yds, 10 td/4 int. 185 Rush yds

Harnish: 72 - 131 passing (55%). 1053 yds, 5 td/5 int. 297 Rush yds

Not sure where you got those stats but they aren't correct either. Graham is 81/153 (52.9%) at this point in his career for 969 yards (6.33 YPA). 10 TD, 5 INT. 136 rushing yards on 82 carries (1.66 YPC)...numbers do include sack yardage.

If you just take Harnish's freshman year (2008) he was 118/211 (55.9%) for 1,528 yards (7.24 YPA). 8 TD, 9 INT. 539 rushing yards on 118 carries (4.6 YPC). The leading receivers his freshman year were Marcus Perez (480 yards), Matt Simon (377 yards) and freshman Nathan Palmer (278 yards).

Graham completed 50.67% of his passes in high school with a 6.73 YPA and only averaged 4.44 YPC running the ball. I really hope he improves and becomes a MACC caliber quarterback but there is really no reason to believe that will happen. He didn't even show dominant flashes at the high school level. I don't like singling anyone out but the Graham to Horvath/Harnish/anyone else comps need to stop. He's not there.

(09-20-2016 11:34 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:54 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  But let's look at the beginnings of their careers at NIU. Here are Graham's stats to date, and where Harnish was at the same point:

Graham: 73 - 127 passing(57%). 908 yds, 10 td/4 int. 185 Rush yds

Harnish: 72 - 131 passing (55%). 1053 yds, 5 td/5 int. 297 Rush yds

Not sure where you got those stats but they aren't correct either. Graham is 81/153 (52.9%) at this point in his career for 969 yards (6.33 YPA). 10 TD, 5 INT. 136 rushing yards on 82 carries (1.66 YPC)...numbers do include sack yardage.

If you just take Harnish's freshman year (2008) he was 118/211 (55.9%) for 1,528 yards (7.24 YPA). 8 TD, 9 INT. 539 rushing yards on 118 carries (4.6 YPC). The leading receivers his freshman year were Marcus Perez (480 yards), Matt Simon (377 yards) and freshman Nathan Palmer (278 yards).

Graham completed 50.67% of his passes in high school with a 6.73 YPA and only averaged 4.44 YPC running the ball. I really hope he improves and becomes a MACC caliber quarterback but there is really no reason to believe that will happen. He didn't even show dominant flashes at the high school level. I don't like singling anyone out but the Graham to Horvath/Harnish/anyone else comps need to stop. He's not there.

You included the bowl game. I did not. those are Graham's regular season stats. Harnish stats are his first 131 passes. That way it's apples to apples with Grahams 127 passes. We can't use Harnish full freshman year because Graham hasn't completed a year.
I can give you the stats and you can add them up for accuracy if you'd like.

(09-20-2016 12:12 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  You included the bowl game. I did not. those are Graham's regular season stats. Harnish stats are his first 131 passes. That way it's apples to apples with Grahams 127 passes. We can't use Harnish full freshman year because Graham hasn't completed a year.
I can give you the stats and you can add them up for accuracy if you'd like.

We could go back and forth on which stats to use but it doesn't matter. Graham isn't a very productive QB and never has been...even at the HS level. I haven't seen a single play that has made me think he could develop into some kind of game changer. Harnish was incredibly productive in HS and had flashes of great play early on...especially when you consider the offensive players he had around him. This program is in deep trouble at the QB position.

(09-20-2016 12:58 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:12 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  You included the bowl game. I did not. those are Graham's regular season stats. Harnish stats are his first 131 passes. That way it's apples to apples with Grahams 127 passes. We can't use Harnish full freshman year because Graham hasn't completed a year.
I can give you the stats and you can add them up for accuracy if you'd like.

We could go back and forth on which stats to use but it doesn't matter. Graham isn't a very productive QB and never has been...even at the HS level. I haven't seen a single play that has made me think he could develop into some kind of game changer. Harnish was incredibly productive in HS and had flashes of great play early on...especially when you consider the offensive players he had around him. This program is in deep trouble at the QB position.

I'm not trying to make Graham out to be a world beater. I just think he is capable of making this offense work. He is not a play maker, but can be a play facilitator given some time. There are playmakers on this offense, they just need someone to get them the ball in a position to succeed. That's what bothered me about Hare, too often he put his receivers at a disadvantage because they'd have to adjust to the throw.

I think Graham will improve somewhat on the accuracy, but I don't see him being more than a game manager.

(09-20-2016 01:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think Graham will improve somewhat on the accuracy, but I don't see him being more than a game manager.

I agree; hope we are both wrong, but I don't think so. I guess we will see if one of the other QBs gets a shot. I suppose I defer to the coaches on that one, but I am not sure I trust our coaches to make the right decision.

(09-20-2016 01:54 PM)NILAW Wrote:  I agree; hope we are both wrong, but I don't think so. I guess we will see if one of the other QBs gets a shot. I suppose I defer to the coaches on that one, but I am not sure I trust our coaches to make the right decision.

The sad thing is that I don't think any of them are anywhere close to getting a shot. They moved Maddie back to backup QB rather than promote a young guy. Thompson and Childers are true freshman so you'd probably prefer not to burn their RS. Literally the only other option is Santa and who knows what he brings to the table...I would certainly hope he is the next man up if they decide to move past Graham.

(09-20-2016 02:44 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:54 PM)NILAW Wrote:  I agree; hope we are both wrong, but I don't think so. I guess we will see if one of the other QBs gets a shot. I suppose I defer to the coaches on that one, but I am not sure I trust our coaches to make the right decision.

The sad thing is that I don't think any of them are anywhere close to getting a shot. They moved Maddie back to backup QB rather than promote a young guy. Thompson and Childers are true freshman so you'd probably prefer not to burn their RS. Literally the only other option is Santa and who knows what he brings to the table...I would certainly hope he is the next man up if they decide to move past Graham.

This is the main reason I hope it is a blow out this week. I want to see him get in for some live snaps for about a full quarter. Will help a lot the for this season and next IMO.

(09-20-2016 06:53 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:44 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:54 PM)NILAW Wrote:  I agree; hope we are both wrong, but I don't think so. I guess we will see if one of the other QBs gets a shot. I suppose I defer to the coaches on that one, but I am not sure I trust our coaches to make the right decision.

The sad thing is that I don't think any of them are anywhere close to getting a shot. They moved Maddie back to backup QB rather than promote a young guy. Thompson and Childers are true freshman so you'd probably prefer not to burn their RS. Literally the only other option is Santa and who knows what he brings to the table...I would certainly hope he is the next man up if they decide to move past Graham.

This is the main reason I hope it is a blow out this week. I want to see him get in for some live snaps for about a full quarter. Will help a lot the for this season and next IMO.

They better get him some snaps regardless. If Graham gets dinged up somebody better be ready. If, by some chance we find ourselves competitive in MAC play we want a QB who can step in who has a least a few college snaps under his belt should our starter go down.

(09-20-2016 07:30 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 06:53 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:44 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:54 PM)NILAW Wrote:  I agree; hope we are both wrong, but I don't think so. I guess we will see if one of the other QBs gets a shot. I suppose I defer to the coaches on that one, but I am not sure I trust our coaches to make the right decision.

The sad thing is that I don't think any of them are anywhere close to getting a shot. They moved Maddie back to backup QB rather than promote a young guy. Thompson and Childers are true freshman so you'd probably prefer not to burn their RS. Literally the only other option is Santa and who knows what he brings to the table...I would certainly hope he is the next man up if they decide to move past Graham.

This is the main reason I hope it is a blow out this week. I want to see him get in for some live snaps for about a full quarter. Will help a lot the for this season and next IMO.

They better get him some snaps regardless. If Graham gets dinged up somebody better be ready. If, by some chance we find ourselves competitive in MAC play we want a QB who can step in who has a least a few college snaps under his belt should our starter go down.

I'm assuming that's why they moved Maddie back. He's the only guy with any kind of experience so I would think if Graham goes down they go with Maddie. I thought I saw him go in for a play, run for 8 yards, then come out and never return. Thought that was weird. I wouldn't mind them using Maddie like young Lynch or Swoopes for Texas to save some wear and tear on Graham.