Beat #13 Iowa. Can we invite them?

They would dominate our conference. Nobody wants to play them.

Gotta give Marshall the boot first. Then we can use them to put our conference on the map.

Wow. How bout those Fightin' Sioux?

(09-17-2016 02:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Beat #13 Iowa. Can we invite them?

That might be the only way CUSA will ever get another OOC win over a P5.

Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

(09-17-2016 03:03 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Wow. How bout those Fightin' Sioux?

Swing and a miss

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

I think that NDSU is better than App or GS was prior to their transition, I absolutely believe the Bison would compete from day one.

Keep it in perspective, they beat Big 12 and B1G schools. We all lose to G5 schools. Illinois State and the rest of the MVC are nothing to sneeze at either.... yeah, we're having this discussion that's how bad things are this year.

(09-17-2016 03:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

I think that NDSU is better than App or GS was prior to their transition, I absolutely believe the Bison would compete from day one.

Perhaps, but we've never seen NDSU play back-to-back FBS games, much less a full FBS schedule. How beat up are they in the second half of the season? For that matter, how less-than-100-percent are they playing an FBS game after beating Iowa?

I think they'd make the transition fine, but I disagree that beating Iowa, or even winning six games against FBS teams in six years, translates to automatic success at this level in and of itself.

Please. No more "FCS transfers" to CUSA. I don't care how "good" everybody thinks they are. We've seen this act before. We've seen FBS newbies come into CUSA being competitive the first couple of years simply because they have a a couple of really good players. Then later --3-5 years down the road-- these same programs fall into the crapper because they just don't have the depth and experience in their program. I'd rather recruit from the Sun Belt. At least those schools know what they are getting into.

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

Let's not do this. Isn't that what every P5 apologist says when one of their prized pigs gets beaten by one of us?

(09-17-2016 05:28 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

Let's not do this. Isn't that what every P5 apologist says when one of their prized pigs gets beaten by one of us?

Nothing but respect for beating Iowa at their place, or any other FBS team at their place. This is directed to those who see NDSU win a single game like this and immediately declare them FBS-ready. It doesn't work like that. It's not a video game in exhibition mode where you play every game at 100 percent health; they would take the same beating that everyone takes when they have to play 11 FBS teams in the same season and not over the course of 11 years.

And before anyone says anything: If NDSU played ODU this week, they would have won easily. If the play next week, NDSU very likely wins. At the end of the season? Who knows how attrition would affect them? They almost certainly wouldn't be the same team they are now. ODU was very competitive at East Carolina in the beginning of the 2013 transition season. The season-ending game against North Carolina, well, we all know what happened there. And ECU crushed the Tar Heels that season. Transitive property gives way to getting your roster beat up to hell and back with few capable backups at that level.

(09-17-2016 08:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 05:28 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

Let's not do this. Isn't that what every P5 apologist says when one of their prized pigs gets beaten by one of us?

Nothing but respect for beating Iowa at their place, or any other FBS team at their place. This is directed to those who see NDSU win a single game like this and immediately declare them FBS-ready. It doesn't work like that. It's not a video game in exhibition mode where you play every game at 100 percent health; they would take the same beating that everyone takes when they have to play 11 FBS teams in the same season and not over the course of 11 years.

And before anyone says anything: If NDSU played ODU this week, they would have won easily. If the play next week, NDSU very likely wins. At the end of the season? Who knows how attrition would affect them? They almost certainly wouldn't be the same team they are now. ODU was very competitive at East Carolina in the beginning of the 2013 transition season. The season-ending game against North Carolina, well, we all know what happened there. And ECU crushed the Tar Heels that season. Transitive property gives way to getting your roster beat up to hell and back with few capable backups at that level.

WTF? Have you not been paying attention the past six or seven years. One win?? They just won their sixth straight over P5 program including ranked P5 programs. Name me one G5 that has done that in the past 20 years. I think they are ready enough.

(09-17-2016 08:31 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 08:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 05:28 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

Let's not do this. Isn't that what every P5 apologist says when one of their prized pigs gets beaten by one of us?

Nothing but respect for beating Iowa at their place, or any other FBS team at their place. This is directed to those who see NDSU win a single game like this and immediately declare them FBS-ready. It doesn't work like that. It's not a video game in exhibition mode where you play every game at 100 percent health; they would take the same beating that everyone takes when they have to play 11 FBS teams in the same season and not over the course of 11 years.

And before anyone says anything: If NDSU played ODU this week, they would have won easily. If the play next week, NDSU very likely wins. At the end of the season? Who knows how attrition would affect them? They almost certainly wouldn't be the same team they are now. ODU was very competitive at East Carolina in the beginning of the 2013 transition season. The season-ending game against North Carolina, well, we all know what happened there. And ECU crushed the Tar Heels that season. Transitive property gives way to getting your roster beat up to hell and back with few capable backups at that level.

WTF? Have you not been paying attention the past six or seven years. One win?? They just won their sixth straight over P5 program including ranked P5 programs. Name me one G5 that has done that in the past 20 years. I think they are ready enough.

You've completely missed my point. They play one FBS team every year. There is a BIG difference between playing one FBS team a year and playing 11 FBS teams in a year. Maybe not in the starting lineup, but definitely in the second string and beyond that. Expecting NDSU or any FCS team, no matter how good, to be able to replicate a strong performance against an FBS team 11 more times without any drop off due to injuries or other issues is not really fair.

I'm not saying their wins are flukes. I'm saying they can't be extrapolated to season-long success at even the CUSA level. Not with FCS scholarships, at least.

MAC has first dibs. Keep your league south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

Are you serious man? They would finish in top 3 of CUSA guaranteed 1st season...

(09-17-2016 04:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

I think that NDSU is better than App or GS was prior to their transition, I absolutely believe the Bison would compete from day one.

Perhaps, but we've never seen NDSU play back-to-back FBS games, much less a full FBS schedule. How beat up are they in the second half of the season? For that matter, how less-than-100-percent are they playing an FBS game after beating Iowa?

I think they'd make the transition fine, but I disagree that beating Iowa, or even winning six games against FBS teams in six years, translates to automatic success at this level in and of itself.

App and GS have done just fine in the Sun Belt and NDSU is better than they were.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for them to CUSA or even FBS for that matter, but I do not believe there is a single CUSA team they couldn't beat. I feel pretty confident Western and USM would beat them and I don't think they could run the table against the rest of a CUSA schedule, but I also wouldn't bet on them going less than 5-3.

(09-17-2016 10:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 04:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Nice win, but let's keep it in perspective: NDSU has never had to play FBS teams back to back. Would they beat Iowa a week after playing even a bad FBS team? Or if they played a full FBS schedule and faced them in Week 10?

They'd win a few games in CUSA, but if they finished .500 or better, that'd say a lot more about the conference than it does about them.

I think that NDSU is better than App or GS was prior to their transition, I absolutely believe the Bison would compete from day one.

Perhaps, but we've never seen NDSU play back-to-back FBS games, much less a full FBS schedule. How beat up are they in the second half of the season? For that matter, how less-than-100-percent are they playing an FBS game after beating Iowa?

I think they'd make the transition fine, but I disagree that beating Iowa, or even winning six games against FBS teams in six years, translates to automatic success at this level in and of itself.

App and GS have done just fine in the Sun Belt and NDSU is better than they were.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for them to CUSA or even FBS for that matter, but I do not believe there is a single CUSA team they couldn't beat. I feel pretty confident Western and USM would beat them and I don't think they could run the table against the rest of a CUSA schedule, but I also wouldn't bet on them going less than 5-3.

I agree with the bolded part. If NDSU's yearly FBS game was against any team from CUSA, I'd say that it's not unreasonable they could beat any of them. My point is about those who say that NDSU, as constructed now, with FCS scholarship levels, could be dropped into an FBS conference and immediately be competitive if not dominant. Injuries and attrition would take a toll, more so on them with their lesser depth than with FBS programs, and they'd be in rougher shape by the end of the season.

I presume a FBS NDSU would be better than an FCS NDSU. Deeper, if nothing else. But how good they would be is sort of difficult to parse because for as bad as the bad FBS conferences are, they still have significant advantages over even the best FCS conferences, more so than P5 vs. G5 (at least both give the same number of scholarships)

(09-17-2016 10:37 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I agree with the bolded part. If NDSU's yearly FBS game was against any team from CUSA, I'd say that it's not unreasonable they could beat any of them. My point is about those who say that NDSU, as constructed now, with FCS scholarship levels, could be dropped into an FBS conference and immediately be competitive if not dominant. Injuries and attrition would take a toll, more so on them with their lesser depth than with FBS programs, and they'd be in rougher shape by the end of the season.

I presume a FBS NDSU would be better than an FCS NDSU. Deeper, if nothing else. But how good they would be is sort of difficult to parse because for as bad as the bad FBS conferences are, they still have significant advantages over even the best FCS conferences, more so than P5 vs. G5 (at least both give the same number of scholarships)

I may have just missed being around for MT's transition, but I've watched what...a dozen or so FCS teams transition in the time since. I'm very familiar with everything you're talking about. As a matter of fact, you sound a whole lot like me talking about App/GS about four or five years ago.

Look, NDSU could struggle in transition, it's definitely possible, but if App can go 7-5(6-2) and 11-2(7-1) and GS can go 9-3(8-0) and 9-4(6-2) respectively in their first two seasons in the Sun Belt, I don't think 7-5(5-3) as a worst case(among likely scenarios) is that crazy for the Bison in a hypothetical first CUSA season.