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NCAA has no room for LU
No, there is no other FBS school like LU. We are definitely unique in that way.
11-04-2016 04:50 PM
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(11-04-2016 09:40 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I was thinking yesterday, is there any like minded school that is currently paying FBS football? I couldn't come up with any. Baylor is what I would consider quasi Christian. BYU probably is like us in regards to student conduct, but certainly not like minded in doctrinal beliefs. Liberty is kinda on an island. I for one hope we never compromise those doctrinal beliefs.

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I too hope Liberty never compromises their doctrinal beliefs. Non-alumni may not understand but it's what gives Liberty their identity. If Liberty gave that up then they'd be just another school with nothing unique so why cheer for them or attend there rather than James Madison, Richmond, VCU, or wherever? There are things bigger than sports.
11-04-2016 06:32 PM
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"I too hope Liberty never compromises their doctrinal beliefs. Non-alumni may not understand but it's what gives Liberty their identity. If Liberty gave that up then they'd be just another school with nothing unique so why cheer for them..."

I hold true to my belief the reason liberty is not FBS has NOTHING to do with your doctrinal beliefs and partly to do with gaffe prone JFjr and his overly public political entanglements. Conferences want schools that don't embarass them in public and harm the public perception of their conference.

The other part is that LU and continue to strengthen its academics so it can join a conference like C-USA not sun belt. LU academics are almost on par with Old Dominion. Also your minority enrollment is quite good. .
11-05-2016 09:50 AM
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(11-05-2016 09:50 AM)voss749 Wrote:  I hold true to my belief the reason liberty is not FBS has NOTHING to do with your doctrinal beliefs and partly to do with gaffe prone JFjr and his overly public political entanglements. Conferences want schools that don't embarass them in public and harm the public perception of their conference.

I would agree with this for the most part. I think Liberty being a private school, having a strong online program, and having Jerry Falwell, Sr. as former president is the most harmful characteristics. Conferences are afraid of what is different, just like people. Liberty isn't the same as other schools for better or for worse.
11-05-2016 11:30 AM
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Jesus said that the world would hate us because of Him.

I hope Liberty continues to fight the good fight. I am firmly in your corner.

It is not progressive to deny Liberty's values, but the hypocrisy doesn't bother them. Persecution is allowed to occur to Christians.
11-05-2016 05:00 PM
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If you look back at the past 2-3 years I believe you can see a change Jerry Jr went through after being denied entry into the Sun Belt. For a number of years Jr was fairly non political and concentrated on internal Liberty issues. After being rejected by the Sun Belt for schools like Coastal and even EKU was ahead of us, I think you can see Jr basically say it doesn't matter either way so let's be who we are. A second possibility is Jr feels FBS isn't as important as other issues. I believe the next president picking 3-4 supreme Court justices is way morev important than what conference Liberty plays in or at what level we play. Same for the second amendment. Do I want to move up to FBS? Absolutely. But not if that means we get a watered down Liberty.

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11-06-2016 12:34 AM
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(11-06-2016 12:34 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  If you look back at the past 2-3 years I believe you can see a change Jerry Jr went through after being denied entry into the Sun Belt. For a number of years Jr was fairly non political and concentrated on internal Liberty issues. After being rejected by the Sun Belt for schools like Coastal and even EKU was ahead of us, I think you can see Jr basically say it doesn't matter either way so let's be who we are. [snippage]

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The question goes back to is LU a university or JFjr's soapbox? This has nothing to do with LU's mission, statement of beliefs or core values.

Does he want to be a politician or President of a major university? I dont think you can do both. I think the students of LU want him to be president of the university and I think as President of LU hes done a great job.
11-07-2016 08:25 AM
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Voss, that's a great statement. I wish he would get back to what he says was his goal a few years back, that was to educate young people.

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11-07-2016 09:13 AM
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(11-07-2016 08:25 AM)voss749 Wrote:  
(11-06-2016 12:34 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  If you look back at the past 2-3 years I believe you can see a change Jerry Jr went through after being denied entry into the Sun Belt. For a number of years Jr was fairly non political and concentrated on internal Liberty issues. After being rejected by the Sun Belt for schools like Coastal and even EKU was ahead of us, I think you can see Jr basically say it doesn't matter either way so let's be who we are. [snippage]

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The question goes back to is LU a university or JFjr's soapbox? This has nothing to do with LU's mission, statement of beliefs or core values.

Does he want to be a politician or President of a major university? I dont think you can do both. I think the students of LU want him to be president of the university and I think as President of LU hes done a great job.
Agree 100% with one clarification. He did a great job representing the school initially. But the enticement that Jr. JFJr. has experienced the past 12 months in attempting to be a player in the political arena appeals to his ego for acknowledgement and inclusion. It does zero to benefit LU.
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11-07-2016 03:21 PM
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Pretty sure El Presidente Elect Trump's first act in office will be to move Liberty up to FBS and make a push for them to join the ACC in gratitude for Jerry Jr.'s support. Don't doubt it for a second.
11-09-2016 07:56 AM
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