(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

No. Then you end up with what you have in the Bahamas where service is complimentary.... and LOUSY.

(09-14-2016 05:12 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:18 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Uh oh.

The you must tip hard working servers no matter what because they rely on tips crowd showed up...of course.

Let alone the in poor taste mocking of COGIC crowd, no matter who began that.

The national tenor surely encourages that, and we are unfortunately heading towards more of that as being rude now is acceptable as not being politically correct.

How wonderful.

I am in the restaurant business, and COGIC as an organization made a concerted effort to change the perception of its members by encouraging its members to tip when they went out to eat. And, the members responded by tipping better.

That is good to hear. I hope it sticks.

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

Maybe, but how much can you jack up the prices for 1 appetizer of cheese dip and chips and 4 waters?

(09-14-2016 05:27 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

Maybe, but how much can you jack up the prices for 1 appetizer of cheese dip and chips and 4 waters?

Aruba did this back around 2005. My wife and I went there in 2004, where they worked for tips. We had waiters tripping over themselves busting their butt for us. (Being from America, you were known to be a good tipper. European and Asians were notoriously bad, mostly because they didnt tip in their culture.)

We went back in 2005, after they stopped working for tips. Everything was expensive as hell and service blew.

And for the most part, the good servers in america would never want to be wage based. They make a lot of money in tips. They wouldnt make nearly as much on wages.

I agree with Deangelo on this, though. Tips are not entitlements. If the service is bad, you screw up and make mistakes, and then otherwise dont care, you aint getting a decent tip.

(09-14-2016 05:39 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 05:27 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

Maybe, but how much can you jack up the prices for 1 appetizer of cheese dip and chips and 4 waters?

Aruba did this back around 2005. My wife and I went there in 2004, where they worked for tips. We had waiters tripping over themselves busting their butt for us. (Being from America, you were known to be a good tipper. European and Asians were notoriously bad, mostly because they didnt tip in their culture.)

We went back in 2005, after they stopped working for tips. Everything was expensive as hell and service blew.

And for the most part, the good servers in america would never want to be wage based. They make a lot of money in tips. They wouldnt make nearly as much on wages.

I agree with Deangelo on this, though. Tips are not entitlements. If the service is bad, you screw up and make mistakes, and then otherwise dont care, you aint getting a decent tip.

Much like my post below. My wife and I honeymooned in The Bahamas 25 years ago. I was shocked at the poor service no mater where we went.

(09-14-2016 05:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

No. Then you end up with what you have in the Bahamas where service is complimentary.... and LOUSY.

I've never been a server but I sacked groceries while I was in high school back during the days when tipping was allowed.

I knew how to make some tips. Courteous, enthusiastic, good work ethic... people couldn't tip enough.

I imagine things are bit more difficult in the restaurant business given that you don't have control over the entire customer experience.

You can't help what the kitchen does.

But you are definitely in charge of the customer interaction. It shouldn't be too difficult to win folks over.

To clarify; I wasn't mocking or diminishing COGIC... It was meta about the many comments made on these boards about the COGIC saints. I've never been on either side of the COGIC Saint and server situation, but I think many of the situations might have been self-fulfilling prophecies.

(09-14-2016 06:11 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  To clarify; I wasn't mocking or diminishing COGIC... It was meta about the many comments made on these boards about the COGIC saints. I've never been on either side of the COGIC Saint and server situation, but I think many of the situations might have been self-fulfilling prophecies.

Yeah I hear you.

Frankly I just don't think this should have ever been aired in the light, no matter how rightly justified DeAngelo was or not.

I don't know him, but I get the impression that it takes a lot to piss him off. But I wasn't there. I just know what he's claimed and that the server no longer works there.

I didn't tip once at Houstons. I was there for lunch with some coworkers. I ordered a salad to go at the end to take back for another coworker. The server said they didn't "do" to go orders, but he could bring the salad and a box and I could do it myself. I said that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard but whatever. So he brought the salad and a box. Another waiter came by and said would you like me to box that up for you so I said sure. The original waiter brought it back to the table and said I told you we don't do to go orders. His tip was don't tell a customer no.

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 01:51 PM)Humko Wrote:  I love DLO but he is better than that. 75 cents? I'm about tired of the NFL and these players and their BS, it is getting old real quick. Not trying to lump DLO in with the other idiots out there, but no reason for DLO to take it out on a server who has no control of that situation. His complaint should have been to management, not bullying some server likely trying to work their way through school.

The Server should have double checked his Order before bringing it to the table. His order was messed up more than once. He also had to wait for refills on his drink. The Server shares a lot of blame here.

The server was actually the bartender who had tables also.

Chances are (though it might not have been the case) that a "runner" took the food to the table.

IF the bartender entered the right order the mistake isn't on the bartender. If the restaurant, upon being notified of the wrong food fixed the issue, it isn't a major problem.

Refilling drinks? If dudes are gulp on down drinks like they're going out of style it is tough to keep up with that. Plus it's subjective as to "not giving me refills fast enough."

More importantly, if you ever have a problem with the service, the preparation of food, the quality of cocktails...don't take it out on the server by leaving a crappy tip unless you have first actually addressed the issue.

(09-14-2016 06:59 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 01:51 PM)Humko Wrote:  I love DLO but he is better than that. 75 cents? I'm about tired of the NFL and these players and their BS, it is getting old real quick. Not trying to lump DLO in with the other idiots out there, but no reason for DLO to take it out on a server who has no control of that situation. His complaint should have been to management, not bullying some server likely trying to work their way through school.

The Server should have double checked his Order before bringing it to the table. His order was messed up more than once. He also had to wait for refills on his drink. The Server shares a lot of blame here.

IF the bartender entered the right order the mistake isn't on the bartender. If the restaurant, upon being notified of the wrong food fixed the issue, it isn't a major problem.

Except they didnt fix it. When you get a food order wrong at an establishment like this, you re-do the dish. They didnt. They took the plate back, dug the shrimp out of the salad, and stuffed it on the pasta, which was evident by a shrimp tail still being left in the salad when he got it back. This is like ordering a burger without mayo, but they put mayo on it. You tell them you asked for no mayo, and they take the burger back, try to strip the mayo off the bun with a knife, and hand you the burger back. Except instead of a $5 burger, this place ran a bill of $130 for two.

Quote:More importantly, if you ever have a problem with the service, the preparation of food, the quality of cocktails...don't take it out on the server by leaving a crappy tip unless you have first actually addressed the issue.

He did address the issue. The server entered the order wrong as shown by the receipt, which shows that he entered shrimp on the salad. Then they responded with crappy service and basically plucked shrimp from his chicken salad and threw it on his lasagna. Then they leave a shrimp tail in his salad, proving that he now has a mix of chicken salad in his lasagna now. All after an hour and a half wait for the food. After an hour and a half wait, and getting the order wrong, the servers should have notified the manager that they had totally screwed this customer up so that the manager could speak with him. Instead they threw part of his chicken salad into his lasagna.

And if you're going to make me wait an hour and a half for food, you better be prepared to refill me every 10 minutes or so. Otherwise, find another job. Especially if you are going to ring me up $130 for two people. Thats not the tab for freaking O'Charlies. You are pricing yourself as a step well above that. So your service better be as good or better than O' Charlies.

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

100% agree.

(09-14-2016 06:59 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 01:51 PM)Humko Wrote:  I love DLO but he is better than that. 75 cents? I'm about tired of the NFL and these players and their BS, it is getting old real quick. Not trying to lump DLO in with the other idiots out there, but no reason for DLO to take it out on a server who has no control of that situation. His complaint should have been to management, not bullying some server likely trying to work their way through school.

The Server should have double checked his Order before bringing it to the table. His order was messed up more than once. He also had to wait for refills on his drink. The Server shares a lot of blame here.

The server was actually the bartender who had tables also.

Chances are (though it might not have been the case) that a "runner" took the food to the table.

IF the bartender entered the right order the mistake isn't on the bartender. If the restaurant, upon being notified of the wrong food fixed the issue, it isn't a major problem.

Refilling drinks? If dudes are gulp on down drinks like they're going out of style it is tough to keep up with that. Plus it's subjective as to "not giving me refills fast enough."

More importantly, if you ever have a problem with the service, the preparation of food, the quality of cocktails...don't take it out on the server by leaving a crappy tip unless you have first actually addressed the issue.

I believe it was a bartender in support of a server. The bartender tweeted Dee. He is a man. Dee refers to a female server in his tweets.

Is DeLo know for tipping, if so no big deal, should have left nothing. On of the worst tipper is supposedly barbara Streisand one of the best Howie stern.It's a form of showing appreciation for good service, if it's really great tip higher. One of the best tips was to a young lady who gave me horrible service, but it was her first day on her own and she was really giving it her best. If u don't want to tip eat at a fast food restaurant and u do know if the tip is included u realize the price of the meal will go up. Some of u generous folks who believe in sharing the wealth should listen to the rude demanding patrons who leave them a dollar on a 50.00 bill. Marion Barry man of the people left a 10.00 tip on a 1,000.00 bill

(09-14-2016 02:25 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Tipping should be totally eliminated and servers should be paid normal wages.

Horrible idea. A good professional waiter will earn more than "normal wages". The B team will earn what they earn until they figure it out or not.

TIP actually means "To Insure Promptness" and in the old days often was a payment made at the beginning of the meal to the maitre'd or waiter to make sure everything goes smoothly.

I've done it for small groups or for special occasions and then remind the waiter there is more where that came from if he does a really great job.

Guess how much harder that server worked with that kind of incentive?

(09-14-2016 01:07 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Deangelo Williams defends himself after being called out for a poor tip

I agree with Dee.

To Insure Prompt Service
To Insure Proper Service

They call them a gratuity for a reason.

I guess they did not have an On The Border in that town.


You're right about COGIC. I have seen an ex of mine bust her ass working a group of 30-40 in a banquet room and they have a $600-$800 bill and leave her $10-$15. And they ran her ragged.

(09-14-2016 08:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 06:59 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 01:51 PM)Humko Wrote:  I love DLO but he is better than that. 75 cents? I'm about tired of the NFL and these players and their BS, it is getting old real quick. Not trying to lump DLO in with the other idiots out there, but no reason for DLO to take it out on a server who has no control of that situation. His complaint should have been to management, not bullying some server likely trying to work their way through school.

The Server should have double checked his Order before bringing it to the table. His order was messed up more than once. He also had to wait for refills on his drink. The Server shares a lot of blame here.

IF the bartender entered the right order the mistake isn't on the bartender. If the restaurant, upon being notified of the wrong food fixed the issue, it isn't a major problem.

Except they didnt fix it. When you get a food order wrong at an establishment like this, you re-do the dish. They didnt. They took the plate back, dug the shrimp out of the salad, and stuffed it on the pasta, which was evident by a shrimp tail still being left in the salad when he got it back. This is like ordering a burger without mayo, but they put mayo on it. You tell them you asked for no mayo, and they take the burger back, try to strip the mayo off the bun with a knife, and hand you the burger back. Except instead of a $5 burger, this place ran a bill of $130 for two.

Quote:More importantly, if you ever have a problem with the service, the preparation of food, the quality of cocktails...don't take it out on the server by leaving a crappy tip unless you have first actually addressed the issue.

He did address the issue. The server entered the order wrong as shown by the receipt, which shows that he entered shrimp on the salad. Then they responded with crappy service and basically plucked shrimp from his chicken salad and threw it on his lasagna. Then they leave a shrimp tail in his salad, proving that he now has a mix of chicken salad in his lasagna now. All after an hour and a half wait for the food. After an hour and a half wait, and getting the order wrong, the servers should have notified the manager that they had totally screwed this customer up so that the manager could speak with him. Instead they threw part of his chicken salad into his lasagna.

And if you're going to make me wait an hour and a half for food, you better be prepared to refill me every 10 minutes or so. Otherwise, find another job. Especially if you are going to ring me up $130 for two people. Thats not the tab for freaking O'Charlies. You are pricing yourself as a step well above that. So your service better be as good or better than O' Charlies.

6 people at the table.

(09-15-2016 01:41 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 01:07 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Deangelo Williams defends himself after being called out for a poor tip

I agree with Dee.

To Insure Prompt Service
To Insure Proper Service

They call them a gratuity for a reason.

I guess they did not have an On The Border in that town.


You're right about COGIC. I have seen an ex of mine bust her ass working a group of 30-40 in a banquet room and they have a $600-$800 bill and leave her $10-$15. And they ran her ragged.

As I explained earlier, my use of COGIC had more to do with posters here being critical of COGIC than COGIC. Because Dee might leave a small tip for bad service but would get called out as a cheap jerk.

As far as your ex, there are so many questions. Was it a private function in the banquet hall? Do you even tip in that situation? If it was a big party at a restaurant; gratituty wasn't charged? Isn't that situation the reason why a server's pay shouldn't be on the customer, but the restaurant owner?

NO f*cks given..