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This would be too good for the SOB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zzg3UP-x8k

....because we love him.

(09-14-2016 07:54 AM)brovol Wrote:  ....because we love him.

At least it would give Kaepernick a legitimate reason not to stand for the National Anthem.

Think of all the brave men and women who have served America in uniform (military AND police & fire) who sacrificed their own ability to stand so others - like Kaepernick - may express themselves.

Freedom is not free and is not to be taken for granted.

Have you read #VeteransForKaepernick?

I'm sympathetic towards what they're protesting. I don't agree with how.

The anthem, the flag stand for everything we as a country are about and strive for to be a more perfect union. If there is a problem with part of it, fix it, be part of the solution. They seem to be snitting.

Kap needs to bang Kathy Bates. Then maybe he'll appreciate the sacrifices others have made.

I am extremely grateful that I live in a country where freedom of expression is allowed and in many cases celebrated.

A writer named Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The moment we start to extinguish other's freedom of expression, we ultimately extinguish our own freedom of expression. It becomes a very slippery slope. And while some may find Kaepernick's method of expression distasteful, his freedom and willingness to do so, is an expression of the highest of American values: freedom.

(09-14-2016 09:09 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  I am extremely grateful that I live in a country where freedom of expression is allowed and in many cases celebrated.

A writer named Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The moment we start to extinguish other's freedom of expression, we ultimately extinguish our own freedom of expression. It becomes a very slippery slope. And while some may find Kaepernick's method of expression distasteful, his freedom and willingness to do so, is an expression of the highest of American values: freedom.

Good points.

However, if Joe Stahley stepped aside to allow a defensive tackle to dive at full speed into Kaepernick's knees, I would applaud.

(09-14-2016 09:16 AM)GullLake Wrote:  However, if Joe Stahley stepped aside to allow a defensive tackle to dive at full speed into Kaepernick's knees, I would applaud.

I think the messaging would be more effective if he knelt.

Quote:However, if Joe Stahley stepped aside to allow a defensive tackle to dive at full speed into Kaepernick's knees, I would applaud

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Have to admit: LOL

It's their right to protest, of course. It's also ours to protest their way of showing themselves. They seem to want to ramp up on the the people who disagree with their ways, it's ironic.

(09-14-2016 09:09 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  I am extremely grateful that I live in a country where freedom of expression is allowed and in many cases celebrated.

A writer named Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The moment we start to extinguish other's freedom of expression, we ultimately extinguish our own freedom of expression. It becomes a very slippery slope. And while some may find Kaepernick's method of expression distasteful, his freedom and willingness to do so, is an expression of the highest of American values: freedom.

He certainly can do what he is doing. and the rest of us can hate his guts for doing it, and hope he gets a career ending injury if we want. Kapernick gets put in the exact same category at the Ku Klux Klan. I hate what they both stand for, but defend the right to express themselves however they want.

So enjoy your status Kapernick. You are sitting at the same table with the KKK.

(09-14-2016 10:24 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 09:09 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  I am extremely grateful that I live in a country where freedom of expression is allowed and in many cases celebrated.

A writer named Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The moment we start to extinguish other's freedom of expression, we ultimately extinguish our own freedom of expression. It becomes a very slippery slope. And while some may find Kaepernick's method of expression distasteful, his freedom and willingness to do so, is an expression of the highest of American values: freedom.

He certainly can do what he is doing. and the rest of us can hate his guts for doing it, and hope he gets a career ending injury if we want. Kapernick gets put in the exact same category at the Ku Klux Klan. I hate what they both stand for, but defend the right to express themselves however they want.

So enjoy your status Kapernick. You are sitting at the same table with the KKK.

He's sitting at the kids' table though. That's why it's sad that his baby is getting thrown out with the bath water.

Quote:He certainly can do what he is doing. and the rest of us can hate his guts for doing it, and hope he gets a career ending injury if we want. Kapernick gets put in the exact same category at the Ku Klux Klan. I hate what they both stand for, but defend the right to express themselves however they want.

Agree on your right to express all points, don't personally agree with your views. That's the beauty of America.

Kaepernick is protesting police shootings of unarmed African-Americans.

Are you serious when you say you hate that he stands for that?

And you seriously equate that to the KKK?

(09-14-2016 12:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Kaepernick is protesting police shootings of unarmed African-Americans.

Are you serious when you say you hate that he stands for that?

And you seriously equate that to the KKK?

I don't think they hate him for what he's protesting. They hate HOW he's protesting and then it begins.....

At least for me that's where I stand. I have no problem getting focus on the issue. I think it's real. As well as many other problems. Chicago has all kinds of needless deaths, not all are necessarily while police on black civilian.

I have a problem disrespecting our national anthem. I'd like them to find another way.

I'd also like to see a transparent accounting from these millionaire baby athletes as to how much money they're giving to causes that could help. Snitting during an anthem rings hollow otherwise, in my mind at least.

Kaepernick has said he will give $1 million plus all proceeds from his jersey sales "back into the communities."

The 49ers sold more apparel in the weeks since he began his protest than in the previous eight months combined.

The team also said it would donate $1 million to causes identified by Kaepernick.

(09-14-2016 12:41 PM)Moomba Wrote:  I don't think they hate him for what he's protesting. They hate HOW he's protesting and then it begins.....

Right - so have the footballs to say that, and don't deflect the real issue with outlandish comparisons and other attacks on the messenger.

Reminds me of the '60s when "patriots" or "good Americans" espoused "America: Love it or leave it!" when people were protesting in favor of the Civil Rights movement and against the Vietnam War.

How about try to change America, for the better?

Protest to affect change doesn't work without making people uncomfortable.

(09-14-2016 12:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Kaepernick is protesting police shootings of unarmed African-Americans.

Are you serious when you say you hate that he stands for that?

And you seriously equate that to the KKK?

He is refusing to offer even minimal courtesy to those who have sacrificed so much defending our freedoms and our Constitution, and showing a deliberate disrespect for not only the flag but also the same country which has provided him with the opportunity for tremendous success, regardless of his race, and freedoms beyond his knowledge or comprehension, for what he publicly described as "black oppression". Police shoot unarmed people who are white, black and other races; some times for legitimate reasons, sometimes for evil and wrong reasons. To the extent that he wishes to take a stand on that issue, I applaud his interest, and more than appreciate his ability to express himself. I hate, however, those who use the pulpit they have only by virtue of the blessings this country has given them to hypocritically blame "the Country" for the wrongs of some screwed up individuals. Kapernick is someone who himself was punished by the NFL for abuse of a woman, and yet he is the new national spokesperson for morality and mutual respect of all people.

Kapernick stands for "primodona athletes who act as if they know something when in fact they don't know donkey $hit from second base, and who have absolutely no appreciation for this country, its values, or what it's flag really represents". I hate him, and others like him, because that is "what he stands for". If you like what Kapernick "stands for", that is your prerogative. I'll chose others who are much more deserving of "respect" to root for. Pat Tillman would likely have a thing to say about this.

And read what I said about Kapernick and the comparison with the KKK. Slower this time though. Kapernick and the KKK both exercise their right to free speech; and in each case the message is both wrong but well within the rights that our Constitution protects. Thus, ironically, Kapernick sits at the same table at the KKK.

You have a right to defend Kapernick and his beliefs. And I have the right to totally disagree with the two of you.

There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before Kaepernick began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Which goes to show people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.