#152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

What does the term "composite 3" mean?

(09-13-2016 07:53 AM)TigerTitan Wrote:  What does the term "composite 3" mean?

The aggregate of all of the rating services has him as a 3*. 247 is considerably higher on him.

#5 Shooting guard according to the site I saw.

Buck Johnson's son. Buck was a damn good ball player both at Alabama and in the NBA.

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

(09-13-2016 07:55 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:53 AM)TigerTitan Wrote:  What does the term "composite 3" mean?

The aggregate of all of the rating services has him as a 3*. 247 is considerably higher on him.

It's like when the Tigers are ranked... we reserve the right to only pay attention to the polls that have us as the best.

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

I'm with you. This is the kind of get to discuss on the recruiting board. A guy who should be coming off the bench.

Not someone we need to be celebrating.

A nice start. I'd much rather have a "composite 3" (lol) coached under Tubby, than a 4 star reduced to 2 star coached under Josh.

I agree. Nice start for 2017 by Tubby and his staff. Looks like the kid can shoot it. Let's see where we go from here.

(09-13-2016 08:44 AM)Beetlejuice Wrote:  A nice start. I'd much rather have a "composite 3" (lol) coached under Tubby, than a 4 star reduced to 2 star coached under Josh.

I'd rather have players period.

Glad he's finally getting some.

(09-12-2016 10:50 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 10:10 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Bama fans must be pissed.

our ymt fans are pissed

Still butthurt I see

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

That may be true, but his Minnesota teams weren't very good. They were borderline bubble every year and I'm sure lack of recruiting contributed. This kid may be special, but he is still below the caliber of player we should be expecting. A bad recruiter at Memphis should at least be able to pull in kids in the 50-100 range. Pastner had a terrible resume and still recruited better in his last years. I am completely not sold on Tubby. He hasn't had a conference record above .500 in over 9 years.

(09-13-2016 08:44 AM)Beetlejuice Wrote:  A nice start. I'd much rather have a "composite 3" (lol) coached under Tubby, than a 4 star reduced to 2 star coached under Josh.

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

So, your idea of measuring quality is looking at ONE game?

Makes a lot of sense. Or not.

(09-13-2016 09:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

So, your idea of measuring quality is looking at ONE game?

Makes a lot of sense. Or not.

That coached up Minnesota crew finished 23-15 and runners up in the NIT.

SMH

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

lock thread.

(09-13-2016 09:05 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

That may be true, but his Minnesota teams weren't very good. They were borderline bubble every year and I'm sure lack of recruiting contributed. This kid may be special, but he is still below the caliber of player we should be expecting. A bad recruiter at Memphis should at least be able to pull in kids in the 50-100 range. Pastner had a terrible resume and still recruited better in his last years. I am completely not sold on Tubby. He hasn't had a conference record above .500 in over 9 years.

I go back and forth on this issue.

The league is what probably allows Tubby to get away with coaching up 3 stars, given that the American is a few notches below the Big 10/Big 12, especially at the top.

Gregg Marshall gets away with 3 stars and JCs at Wichita - same premise.

But there is still little margin for error and it will likely take a few seasons to get the machine rolling.

(09-13-2016 09:40 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

So, your idea of measuring quality is looking at ONE game?

Makes a lot of sense. Or not.

That coached up Minnesota crew finished 23-15 and runners up in the NIT.

SMH

That was the year before.

Actually that team made it to the 2nd game of the tourney. They did go 8-10 in conference.

They were predicted to finish 5th in conference by Athlons and ended up 7th.

In addition to Hollins' they had Trevor Mbwake, dude could ball.

(09-13-2016 09:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:05 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  #152 Composite 3*. Really nothing special. Dominic Magee was #102 and demonized for not being good enough. This kid is ranked nearly the same that Randall Broddie was coming out of high school.

if the game were played on a sheet of paper or dungeons & dragons roll-playing style, then I'd say you have a point, but thankfully, its not. no, its played on a court with people with brains and skill. A 4-star kid raised by a former NBA 1st rounder, likely has a pretty high basketball IQ and a real opportunity to turn into a very good college basketball player.

On the flip side, we have had a litany of 5 star recruits that certainly didn't perform to the level the sheet of paper said they should. As a matter of fact, I saw 3-star Andre Hollins drop 41 points and outscore 5-star Joe Jackson, 5-star Adonis Thomas, 5 star- Shaq Goodwin, 4-star Tarik Black, and 4-star Chris Crawford COMBINED down in the Bahamas. I saw Tubby take a team of kids that weren't "Memphis good" and punk our highly rated recruiting class embarassingly bad. Highly rated recruits without direction or leadership simply become under-performing, highly dysfunctional malcontents and distractions.

That may be true, but his Minnesota teams weren't very good. They were borderline bubble every year and I'm sure lack of recruiting contributed. This kid may be special, but he is still below the caliber of player we should be expecting. A bad recruiter at Memphis should at least be able to pull in kids in the 50-100 range. Pastner had a terrible resume and still recruited better in his last years. I am completely not sold on Tubby. He hasn't had a conference record above .500 in over 9 years.

I go back and forth on this issue.

The league is what probably allows Tubby to get away with coaching up 3 stars, given that the American is a few notches below the Big 10/Big 12, especially at the top.

Gregg Marshall gets away with 3 stars and JCs at Wichita - same premise.

But there is still little margin for error and it will likely take a few seasons to get the machine rolling.

Yeah. Chances are, if Markel, Jeremiah, and Cleregot all do fine this year then Johnson will be a 6-8 mpg guy just getting feet wet. Based on ranking will likley be a nice 4 year player. I imagine this recruiting season Tubby will get a lot of 4-year players who don't really excel until their junior year, so the next couple years will be touch and go as far as NCAA tourney hopes, with the first expectation of making an NCAAt coming in 2018-19.