After the first 2 games, I have a small concern on one rule. Overall the team seems to be playing great without a lot of needless penalties. What concerns me is some of the celebrations. I don't think it's overboard. I think the players should be able to have a little fun as long as they are not in the other teams face. However, I remember last year after a touchdown one of our players put his hands together as if praying and got flagged. He was out of bounds and still got a penalty. This year I notice the chicken dance and some bowing to the stands after a TD.

Maybe Beers or someone that knows the details of this penalty can explain. But I'm afraid this might bite us at the worst time - like against LSU with SEC refs.

Anyone else concerned, or am I being overly cautious?

(09-13-2016 10:56 AM)Up2stuff Wrote:  After the first 2 games, I have a small concern on one rule. Overall the team seems to be playing great without a lot of needless penalties. What concerns me is some of the celebrations. I don't think it's overboard. I think the players should be able to have a little fun as long as they are not in the other teams face. However, I remember last year after a touchdown one of our players put his hands together as if praying and got flagged. He was out of bounds and still got a penalty. This year I notice the chicken dance and some bowing to the stands after a TD.

Maybe Beers or someone that knows the details of this penalty can explain. But I'm afraid this might bite us at the worst time - like against LSU with SEC refs.

Anyone else concerned, or am I being overly cautious?

NCAA Football Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(1)(d) prohibits "Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)"; in addition, Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(2) asserts that "After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot."[3] Additionally, if a player's actions are considered "unsportsmanlike conduct" the result is dead-ball foul; a "flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct" foul requires player ejection. If a player’s nonfootball-related act (e.g. taunting or cursing) causes an opponent to physically retaliate, it is considered fighting and both players are ejected.

So, as long as it's just one player doing something, realistically it's up to the ref's discretion as to whether or not it's "excessive". So your fears are not unfounded.

(09-13-2016 01:26 PM)gnarlesmarx Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:56 AM)Up2stuff Wrote:  After the first 2 games, I have a small concern on one rule. Overall the team seems to be playing great without a lot of needless penalties. What concerns me is some of the celebrations. I don't think it's overboard. I think the players should be able to have a little fun as long as they are not in the other teams face. However, I remember last year after a touchdown one of our players put his hands together as if praying and got flagged. He was out of bounds and still got a penalty. This year I notice the chicken dance and some bowing to the stands after a TD.

Maybe Beers or someone that knows the details of this penalty can explain. But I'm afraid this might bite us at the worst time - like against LSU with SEC refs.

Anyone else concerned, or am I being overly cautious?

NCAA Football Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(1)(d) prohibits "Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)"; in addition, Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(2) asserts that "After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot."[3] Additionally, if a player's actions are considered "unsportsmanlike conduct" the result is dead-ball foul; a "flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct" foul requires player ejection. If a player’s nonfootball-related act (e.g. taunting or cursing) causes an opponent to physically retaliate, it is considered fighting and both players are ejected.

So, as long as it's just one player doing something, realistically it's up to the ref's discretion as to whether or not it's "excessive". So your fears are not unfounded.

At least the end zone stuff is a dead ball foul and won't negate the score. Staggers was finger wagging/waving at defenders on his punt return Saturday night prior to reaching the end zone. How would that be assessed since he wasn't in the end zone and the ball was still live?

(09-13-2016 07:41 PM)mlytc Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 01:26 PM)gnarlesmarx Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:56 AM)Up2stuff Wrote:  After the first 2 games, I have a small concern on one rule. Overall the team seems to be playing great without a lot of needless penalties. What concerns me is some of the celebrations. I don't think it's overboard. I think the players should be able to have a little fun as long as they are not in the other teams face. However, I remember last year after a touchdown one of our players put his hands together as if praying and got flagged. He was out of bounds and still got a penalty. This year I notice the chicken dance and some bowing to the stands after a TD.

Maybe Beers or someone that knows the details of this penalty can explain. But I'm afraid this might bite us at the worst time - like against LSU with SEC refs.

Anyone else concerned, or am I being overly cautious?

NCAA Football Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(1)(d) prohibits "Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)"; in addition, Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(2) asserts that "After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot."[3] Additionally, if a player's actions are considered "unsportsmanlike conduct" the result is dead-ball foul; a "flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct" foul requires player ejection. If a player’s nonfootball-related act (e.g. taunting or cursing) causes an opponent to physically retaliate, it is considered fighting and both players are ejected.

So, as long as it's just one player doing something, realistically it's up to the ref's discretion as to whether or not it's "excessive". So your fears are not unfounded.

At least the end zone stuff is a dead ball foul and won't negate the score. Staggers was finger wagging/waving at defenders on his punt return Saturday night prior to reaching the end zone. How would that be assessed since he wasn't in the end zone and the ball was still live?

Same as it was against the LSU punter a season or two ago: score comes off the board, 15 yard penalty

See, I thought he was wagging his finger toward the student section. Or at least, that's what I would have argued to the refs.

Some refs are anal.