(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Do you even read the articles you post?

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

You can propose whatever fantasy you want but as it stands right now and for the foreseeable future there is nobody capable of moving from the SoCon to FBS and there is nobody currently in the Big South that the SoCon would add. We've discussed these two topics before and no matter how you try to repackage it you can't change the reality of the situation.

These are the reasons why the SoCon will prevent each Big South football school in order:

Charleston Southern - The Citadel refuses to play @ North Charleston and only played there in the playoffs because they had absolutely no choice.

Gardner-Webb - Boiling Springs is in the Greenville-Spartanburg market with Furman and Wofford and the last thing that either school wants to do is put GWU on a level playing ground with them.

Kennesaw State - No large public school that doesn't have long term ties to the SoCon is getting an invite. Period.

Liberty - FBS aspirations, sheer size, and politics.

Monmouth - Nowhere near the footprint and the SoCon isn't going to do a football only member

Presbyterian - Clinton is in the Greenville-Spartanburg market with Furman and Wofford and the last thing that either school wants to do is put PC on a level playing ground with them.

That is the reality of the situation and unless the SoCon is completely gutted and they are so desperate that they have to expand to survive they wouldn't stoop (in their eyes) to adding any of the Big South schools, and the sooner you can understand that the sooner you can quit looking like a fool talking about a topic that has as close to zero chance of happening as there is.

(09-13-2016 08:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

You can propose whatever fantasy you want but as it stands right now and for the foreseeable future there is nobody capable of moving from the SoCon to FBS and there is nobody currently in the Big South that the SoCon would add. We've discussed these two topics before and no matter how you try to repackage it you can't change the reality of the situation.

These are the reasons why the SoCon will prevent each Big South football school in order:

Charleston Southern - The Citadel refuses to play @ North Charleston and only played there in the playoffs because they had absolutely no choice.

Gardner-Webb - Boiling Springs is in the Greenville-Spartanburg market with Furman and Wofford and the last thing that either school wants to do is put GWU on a level playing ground with them.

Kennesaw State - No large public school that doesn't have long term ties to the SoCon is getting an invite. Period.

Liberty - FBS aspirations, sheer size, and politics.

Monmouth - Nowhere near the footprint and the SoCon isn't going to do a football only member

Presbyterian - Clinton is in the Greenville-Spartanburg market with Furman and Wofford and the last thing that either school wants to do is put PC on a level playing ground with them.

That is the reality of the situation and unless the SoCon is completely gutted and they are so desperate that they have to expand to survive they wouldn't stoop (in their eyes) to adding any of the Big South schools, and the sooner you can understand that the sooner you can quit looking like a fool talking about a topic that has as close to zero chance of happening as there is.

Reality doesn't always work with some

What this may also allow both conferences to do is add Division II members from outside the Southeast. The Atlantic Sun can add schools from the Northeast, pair them with NJIT in a north quadrant (if not division), and have them play Big South football alongside Monmouth (which essentially stands in as NJIT's football team).

This could also lead to a wholesale reorganization down the road - the Big South cuts some of its South Carolina members, the Atlantic Sun cuts NJIT and whoever they add as NJIT's travel partners. If there aren't six football members on one side, it won't matter because they'll all have a home.

I actually think Lipscomb will be the next school to leave the Atlantic Sun - there are too many of the OVC's members flirting with FBS and the Missouri Valley Conference, and the OVC can never have enough members in Nashville. Once that happens, you may very well see a school like Indiana or West Chester (the ones in Pennsylvania) move to Division I to be the travel partner for NJIT:

Indiana, PA/NJIT
USC Upstate/Kennesaw State
North Florida/Jacksonville
Florida Gulf Coast/Stetson

Liberty/Longwood
Radford/High Point
Gardner-Webb/UNC Asheville
Campbell/Charleston Southern
Presbyterian/Winthrop




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http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/libert...28ce4.html

This article pointed something out that the original article did not covered. Adding new members. North Alabama have been mentioned. Seems that they might get an invite soon. They pointed out Stetson, Jacksonville and Campbell may not add scholarships for some years yet. They do need to add more members. A-Sun would invite North Alabama and Big South would invite a northern school.

North Alabama has serious issues, that will prevent them from making a DI move any time soon. This was detailed by a poster who is familiar with UNA, some time ago.

Would like to see North Florida give it a go with football. Ask the students if they'll fund it. I bet the answer is yes.

If I was the ASUN I would go after the these teams:
Nova Southeastern
West Georgia
Columbus State
Florida Tech

ASUN
Kennesaw State/USC Upstate
Columbus State/West Georgia
North Florida/Jacksonville
Stetson/Florida Tech
Florida Gulf Coast/Nova Southeastern
Lipscomb/NJIT

Big South Football
Charleston Southern
Florida Tech
Gardner-Webb
Kennesaw State
Liberty
Presbyterian
West Georgia
Monmouth

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

I guess Liberty could win and the court would allow them to play FBS if they so choose. But please explain how the court will force teams to play against them? Will courts force them into a conference? If that's the case let's say hi to the newest member of the Big 10, Liberty. Might as well choose a conference that's making a ton of money. Fact is the court cannot force performance on any entity. Liberty could join FBS as an Indy and have 128 schools decide not to play them.

They'll have no problems getting road games, it's the home games that are the problem. Alabama, Michigan, etc. need those early season wins from somewhere.


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(09-14-2016 12:12 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

I guess Liberty could win and the court would allow them to play FBS if they so choose. But please explain how the court will force teams to play against them? Will courts force them into a conference? If that's the case let's say hi to the newest member of the Big 10, Liberty. Might as well choose a conference that's making a ton of money. Fact is the court cannot force performance on any entity. Liberty could join FBS as an Indy and have 128 schools decide not to play them.

They don't seem to have any problems securing games as it stands right now and I highly doubt that they would have any trouble securing games in FBS. Liberty has a fanbase that will travel so that means tickets sold which means money in the pocket of schools that play them.

For every school that would refuse to play them there will be one that will. The idea that nobody would be willing to play them is ludicrous.

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

Lottery?
win your way in?
I think its more likely the invitation rule goes away and they have a group of schools push for it.
I could see the attendance rule going away it isn't enforced.
Take a conference like the Big Sky 9800 average attendance .
How close to that is the MAC's actual attendance probably pretty close.
I could see FBS being the same but open to anyone willing to meet the scholarship and sports sponsored requirements.
FCS would probably lower their scholarship number to 55 or 50 if the top programs leave.
The P5 has already created a separation D1 football has three divisions.
The cost savings should be more for FCS going forward.
Right now the financials of FCS are bad unless your one of the rare programs with great support.
NDSU the Montana schools JMU and SDSU are the exception .
Drop thirteen scholarships and you cover cost of attendance.
The G5 or second level is likely to lose their CFP money one day.
Might be after the first contract but probably the third or fourth.
Instead a big payout if a G? make the playoff and bigger payday for the Access bowl.

(09-14-2016 06:30 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sp...-move-ncaa

In the article, this school is said that they could add football in a few years. They have to be at D2 for 8 years before moving up.

As for North Alabama? They could still give them an invite for them to start transitioning to D1. Give them a head start before they send invites to the other D2 schools. Plus, you also have Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State that wants FBS. You got to think that Lipscomb and some others could be on the OVC's radar if those 2 do get an invite to FBS. The issue is that Southern, Southland and OVC could be losing schools to the FBS in the future along with the MVFC and CAA. If I were Big South/A-Sun, I start inviting D2 schools to come up in case they get raided.

Nobody in the SoCon is moving up any time soon, and even if they did there is nobody currently playing in the Big South that they would add.

Liberty might take the NCAA to court to challenge the rules. If they win? We might see a flood gate open for schools who want FBS to join. D1 could do a lottery for every 10 years for schools who wants to join. The 5 winners from FCS can join the FBS ranks as an independent for a price. 5 D2, D3 or NAIA who wins the draw could become independent for D1/FCS as well. The drawings will be every 10 years. In between, regular rules about a conference invite will be in place.

Lottery?
win your way in?
I think its more likely the invitation rule goes away and they have a group of schools push for it.
I could see the attendance rule going away it isn't enforced.
Take a conference like the Big Sky 9800 average attendance .
How close to that is the MAC's actual attendance probably pretty close.
I could see FBS being the same but open to anyone willing to meet the scholarship and sports sponsored requirements.
FCS would probably lower their scholarship number to 55 or 50 if the top programs leave.
The P5 has already created a separation D1 football has three divisions.
The cost savings should be more for FCS going forward.
Right now the financials of FCS are bad unless your one of the rare programs with great support.
NDSU the Montana schools JMU and SDSU are the exception .
Drop thirteen scholarships and you cover cost of attendance.
The G5 or second level is likely to lose their CFP money one day.
Might be after the first contract but probably the third or fourth.
Instead a big payout if a G? make the playoff and bigger payday for the Access bowl.

I could see a couple of the G5 schools become P7 one day. AAC and MWC are the ones.

Delaware, Jacksonville State and some of the HBCUs are getting some FBS type crowds. Lamar is on the cusp. A couple of D2 schools are at the FBS type crowds as well like Tuskegee and a few others. Since the Texas schools is a fan craze in football, I could see several of them moving ip. Texas-Permian Basin could be something to watch out for in the future.