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(10-07-2016 02:37 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Has anyone confirmed with Kaepernick that he is protesting for BLM? I assumed that he was protesting the destruction of the sacred wall at Nippert Stadium.

He's kneeling until Tuberville is fired...not that I want him fired, because if I said that, I risk being banned...I'm just speaking for Kaepernick and all those in the NFL (and high school soccer players) who are forced to live with the injustice of Tuberville's coaching career.

Kapernick to start Sunday vs. Bills:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-for-49ers

That game should prove interesting.

It's crazy how much support he gets when even somebody as far left as Justice Ginsburg thinks it's really dumb and disrespectful:

Quote:"I think it's really dumb of them," Ginsburg said. "Would I arrest them for doing it? No. I think it's dumb and disrespectful. I would have the same answer if you asked me about flag burning. I think it's a terrible thing to do, but I wouldn't lock a person up for doing it. "I would point out how ridiculous it seems to me to do such an act.

(10-07-2016 02:52 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:37 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Has anyone confirmed with Kaepernick that he is protesting for BLM? I assumed that he was protesting the destruction of the sacred wall at Nippert Stadium.

He's kneeling until Tuberville is fired...not that I want him fired, because if I said that, I risk being banned...I'm just speaking for Kaepernick and all those in the NFL (and high school soccer players) who are forced to live with the injustice of Tuberville's coaching career.

That is just so you know we found it funny - before we ban you.

(10-13-2016 07:08 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:52 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:37 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Has anyone confirmed with Kaepernick that he is protesting for BLM? I assumed that he was protesting the destruction of the sacred wall at Nippert Stadium.

He's kneeling until Tuberville is fired...not that I want him fired, because if I said that, I risk being banned...I'm just speaking for Kaepernick and all those in the NFL (and high school soccer players) who are forced to live with the injustice of Tuberville's coaching career.

That is just so you know we found it funny - before we ban you.

"The Kneeler" got blasted by Buffalo today 45-15. I hope the Niners thought that was worth it.

Interesting:

Fans watching fewer NFL games cite protests as primary reason

"The Kneeler" loses again 34-17 to Tampa Bay...the only reason he is starting is social pressure.

(10-24-2016 07:21 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  "The Kneeler" loses again 34-17 to Tampa Bay...the only reason he is starting is social pressure.

Maybe he's starting because the alternative is Blaine Gabbert. That's not possible though right?

(10-24-2016 07:21 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  "The Kneeler" loses again 34-17 to Tampa Bay...the only reason he is starting is social pressure.

Seriously?

(10-24-2016 07:23 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 07:21 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  "The Kneeler" loses again 34-17 to Tampa Bay...the only reason he is starting is social pressure.

Maybe he's starting because the alternative is Blaine Gabbert. That's not possible though right?

Point differential with Gabbert: -5.8
Point differential with Kapernick: -23

You decide.

(10-24-2016 12:49 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 07:23 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 07:21 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  "The Kneeler" loses again 34-17 to Tampa Bay...the only reason he is starting is social pressure.

Maybe he's starting because the alternative is Blaine Gabbert. That's not possible though right?

Point differential with Gabbert: -5.8
Point differential with Kapernick: -23

You decide.

Bahaha. You got me there. Blaine Gabbert is clearly the right choice.

Niners are now 1-7. Another blowout loss, this time, to the Saints.

In other news, Kapernick cared so much about BLM that he didn't vote:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...plain.html

(10-07-2016 02:36 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:27 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  It's really weird that we are debating something that is not debatable.

Just so we are clear, are you saying that racism does not exist or that it does exist but you're ok with that?

Let me unpack this so there can be no mistaking my point, even by someone who plays willingly ignorant.
It is not debatable that something cannot both be correct and incorrect at the same time. This is because it's a logical contradiction. Likewise, you can't be a married bachelor, black isn't white and up isn't down. Either there's racial oppression against blacks or there's not.
I'm saying there's not.

Nobody is forced to the back of the bus, black people are more likely to accost white people than vice versa which would not be the case if white supremacism were running around smacking everybody else up and if there were to be racist inclinations among the public, it's largely the black community that is racist towards others. Racism though, is not the same thing as racial oppression.

Since nobody else pounced on this, I'm going to go on record and disagree with you about the nonexistence of racial oppression. Quite frankly I'm shocked that you believe this.

On a different note, I'm still pondering your point that something cannot be correct and incorrect at the same time. I'm guessing that's debatable as well, but I need time to think it through. The world is mostly gray, not black and white.

Kaepernick kneeling does not bother me in the least. That he can do this and not get put in jail is part of what makes our country great.

(11-14-2016 06:02 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:36 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:27 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  It's really weird that we are debating something that is not debatable.

Just so we are clear, are you saying that racism does not exist or that it does exist but you're ok with that?

Let me unpack this so there can be no mistaking my point, even by someone who plays willingly ignorant.
It is not debatable that something cannot both be correct and incorrect at the same time. This is because it's a logical contradiction. Likewise, you can't be a married bachelor, black isn't white and up isn't down. Either there's racial oppression against blacks or there's not.
I'm saying there's not.

Nobody is forced to the back of the bus, black people are more likely to accost white people than vice versa which would not be the case if white supremacism were running around smacking everybody else up and if there were to be racist inclinations among the public, it's largely the black community that is racist towards others. Racism though, is not the same thing as racial oppression.

Since nobody else pounced on this, I'm going to go on record and disagree with you about the nonexistence of racial oppression. Quite frankly I'm shocked that you believe this.

On a different note, I'm still pondering your point that something cannot be correct and incorrect at the same time. I'm guessing that's debatable as well, but I need time to think it through. The world is mostly gray, not black and white.

Kaepernick kneeling does not bother me in the least. That he can do this and not get put in jail is part of what makes our country great.

Who has advocated for him to be in jail? I have not heard anyone request for him to lose his 1st ammendment rights. This is all about the NFL allowing their product (players) to act out.

(11-14-2016 06:02 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:36 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 02:27 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  It's really weird that we are debating something that is not debatable.

Just so we are clear, are you saying that racism does not exist or that it does exist but you're ok with that?

Let me unpack this so there can be no mistaking my point, even by someone who plays willingly ignorant.
It is not debatable that something cannot both be correct and incorrect at the same time. This is because it's a logical contradiction. Likewise, you can't be a married bachelor, black isn't white and up isn't down. Either there's racial oppression against blacks or there's not.
I'm saying there's not.

Nobody is forced to the back of the bus, black people are more likely to accost white people than vice versa which would not be the case if white supremacism were running around smacking everybody else up and if there were to be racist inclinations among the public, it's largely the black community that is racist towards others. Racism though, is not the same thing as racial oppression.

Since nobody else pounced on this, I'm going to go on record and disagree with you about the nonexistence of racial oppression. Quite frankly I'm shocked that you believe this.

On a different note, I'm still pondering your point that something cannot be correct and incorrect at the same time. I'm guessing that's debatable as well, but I need time to think it through. The world is mostly gray, not black and white.

Kaepernick kneeling does not bother me in the least. That he can do this and not get put in jail is part of what makes our country great.

1. Not asking that he be jailed. Just saying, he's a douche.

2. How oppressed are you when you hold the highest office in the land? How many black presidents were there during Jim Crow? During slavery? etc.? They aren't oppressed, they're stuck. Stuck in the aftermath of discrimination their grandparents faced and a survival strategy that has failed them. Back in the day, black people had to stick together because they were all they had. Now though, their own ilk hold them back. They are Stuck because they belong to a community that accuses those who choose to think for themselves as "cooning" or being uncle toms.
When you cannot think for yourself, when you are told how to speak, think, feel, and act; you can't grow and evolve. It is their own collectivism that holds them back. Nobody is going to give them everything they want, and until they figure that **** out and cut the dead weight, until they drop this notion that they owe their people something, they're never going to move on. Moving forward requires us to let go of the past. That's just life.

3. In any world, where A is not necessarily identical to A, A is not A. That's a logical contradiction, there's no way to spin that turd.

(11-15-2016 01:29 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  3. In any world, where A is not necessarily identical to A, A is not A. That's a logical contradiction, there's no way to spin that turd.

I'm still thinking this through, but I think there's a danger with approaching everything in the world in a binary manner.

When I approach a green light, I see green. But when a colorblind person approaches a green light, they may see brown? So is it green or is it brown? It depends. For colorblind person, green is incorrect, brown is correct. For me, red is correct, brown is incorrect. So there are circumstances where things aren't just one or the other.

The same goes for many people when understanding racial oppression. For certain minorities they see it clear as day. For those who are "colorblind" it doesn't exist. I suppose it depends on your personal experience.

I personally think blacks in general have been given a crap sandwich.

(11-15-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:29 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  3. In any world, where A is not necessarily identical to A, A is not A. That's a logical contradiction, there's no way to spin that turd.

I'm still thinking this through, but I think there's a danger with approaching everything in the world in a binary manner.

When I approach a green light, I see green. But when a colorblind person approaches a green light, they may see brown? So is it green or is it brown? It depends. For colorblind person, green is incorrect, brown is correct. For me, red is correct, brown is incorrect. So there are circumstances where things aren't just one or the other.

The same goes for many people when understanding racial oppression. For certain minorities they see it clear as day. For those who are "colorblind" it doesn't exist. I suppose it depends on your personal experience.

I personally think blacks in general have been given a crap sandwich.

I think their situation sucks, I just think that has more to do with a bygone era they never climbed out of. Not so much an ongoing conspiracy. I'd say a great deal of effort has been put in place to help them. Not really what I'd identify as oppression. I'll continue to think that until I see proof of the contrary, as I told bearcatmark, claims that can be made without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. Anecdotes cannot be allowed to substitute for actual substantive arguments, because then anybody can claim anything. The problem of relativism is reality(regardless of how you perceive it) is one way. Aside from race, gender identification comes to mind. You can believe with great sincerity, that your identity is that of a pastrami and ham sandwich but you aren't a sandwich. You're just delusional. I believe in universal truth because of science and engineering's ability to demonstrate it over and over again, regardless of who's actually observing it. I don't believe in systemic racial oppression of black people, because nobody seems to have any such evidence.

Kapernick defending Castro while in Miami playing the Dolphins:

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-co...26693.html

BLM protesters calling for murder and reparations...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/30/blm-an...ng-people/