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...we all knew this was the make or break year for Carey, so far, it's been break. If it continues, tough discussions will be had towards the end of the year.
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Just curious, but what do you base the "this was the make or break year for Carey" comment on since he had already received a contract extension?
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(09-12-2016 11:24 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(09-11-2016 09:51 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
...we all knew this was the make or break year for Carey, so far, it's been break. If it continues, tough discussions will be had towards the end of the year.

Just curious, but what do you base the "this was the make or break year for Carey" comment on since he had already received a contract extension?
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More from a "which way is it headed?" perspective. We all knew it ended badly last year, very badly, but there was the QB situation that was pretty unfortunate. So coming into this year, he had 1. very good year (2013), not saying it was because of him, but 12-2 is pretty darn good 2. a pretty darn good year (2014), we wanted more, but can't say it was bad and a 3. Crap that ended poorly (2015) year. So this was the year, almost solely with players he had recruited, to really show what he was building or not building.
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If Carey does stay on for 2017-18, I would guess there will be MASS defections from So-Jr's. It will take some patchwork to field a team out there next season. If Carey does go, it might be time for the new coach coming in to wipe the dust off the old Novak sign, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions". Worked once during a period of low morale, why not try it again.
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RE: No one is getting fired right now, nor should they
(09-12-2016 08:15 AM)randy6956 Wrote:  
(09-11-2016 10:20 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  
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(09-11-2016 06:07 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Seriously, if they fired every coach whose team looked bad and/or got their *** kicked a few times in a row then about half of all coaches would get fired every week. It aint happening right now, nor should it. Coach Carey deserves to coach this team for the whole season. At the end of the season I bet it's pretty clear what needs to be done, whether retention or replacement.

Also, who says we can't win the MAC this year. I'm not saying it's certain or even likely but there's plenty of talent on this team and lots of precedent for this sort of thing. I seem to recall CMU getting beat something like 73-12 by Clemson in a year when they won the MAC. Let's play out the season and see what happens.

In my opinion there are some scheme things on both sides of the ball that are making this team look worse than it is talent-wise. When our opponents are stacking the box and yet no one is open downfield something is wrong there and it has nothing to do with talent or commitment. Ditto when opposing receivers are continually running downfield comletely uncovered. Maybe our new coordinators need to grow into their jobs. Let's let them show what they can do also.

How do you fix the problem of players not interested in playing football though? Seems tough to correct?
"players not interested in playing football" Who is running our program? The players are on one year scholarships. If they do not want to play hard on the field, you take away their playing time or cut them. Where are the captains at?

Several of them will be gone if you bring in a new head coach.


who are the captains ????

Randy, what have you heard lately from the players? Still the coaching or talent not there, etc?
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Just about the only improvement I saw against USF was fewer penalties, but that's about it. I still saw a team walking onto the field and playing like they were already defeated. Other teams have always commented about how physical of a team NIU is, but these past two games we've looked just about as athletic as Akron or EMU. That's not an X's or O's problem: its a team morale and attitude issue, and that falls squarely on the coaches.
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(09-12-2016 12:31 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  Just about the only improvement I saw against USF was fewer penalties, but that's about it. I still saw a team walking onto the field and playing like they were already defeated. Other teams have always commented about how physical of a team NIU is, but these past two games we've looked just about as athletic as Akron or EMU. That's not an X's or O's problem: its a team morale and attitude issue, and that falls squarely on the coaches.

I don't think our defensive backs were within 10 yards of their WR's...so they weren't close enough to commit a penalty! 03-banghead

Seems confident for about the first 5-6 minutes of the game...and then as soon as one thing went wrong, it was a "here we go again" and no one recovered. It's an everything problem when you get beat that bad.
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Quote:If the coach committed a firing offense he would already be fired, so apparently he did not.

Not necessarily, no. It would have to be very fireable + very public to do so when they'd rather keep them.

Quote:That's not an X's or O's problem: its a team morale and attitude issue, and that falls squarely on the coaches.

I agree. With Cubit & WMU (pre-PJ) -- he was a decent coach. He turned us around after our team TANKED after winning the MAC West in 99 & 00. So in the early 00s, he came in, he was great. But after some years, he was not getting along with everyone and our team played blah. Morale was down, and it was time for him to go -- so we took a risk by looking for a coach who would Never be like that no matter what. Even if he had zero experience being an OC or DC, and even if his bring-everyone-together-and-fire-up mentality requires him to drink 10 Red Bulls a day. :)
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I think we forgot how much of a leader Jordon Lynch was for the team. If you quit, Lynch had a talk with you. Where are our leaders? Please name me one.
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(09-12-2016 11:42 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  More from a "which way is it headed?" perspective. We all knew it ended badly last year, very badly, but there was the QB situation that was pretty unfortunate. So coming into this year, he had 1. very good year (2013), not saying it was because of him, but 12-2 is pretty darn good 2. a pretty darn good year (2014), we wanted more, but can't say it was bad and a 3. Crap that ended poorly (2015) year. So this was the year, almost solely with players he had recruited, to really show what he was building or not building.

Don't disagree with you at all. That contract extension could have and should have been delayed.
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I am old fashioned and still believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. I do not see this season turning around because of weaknesses in both the O and D lines.

Any secondary will struggle if there is no pass rush and we have zero pass rush. When this team gets behind the players and the coaches on the sidelines seem demoralized and lack faith in their ability to come back.

I hate to say this but I believe that we are in what will become a losing season and we might not win many games at all.
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(09-12-2016 08:52 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  I am old fashioned and still believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. I do not see this season turning around because of weaknesses in both the O and D lines.

Any secondary will struggle if there is no pass rush and we have zero pass rush. When this team gets behind the players and the coaches on the sidelines seem demoralized and lack faith in their ability to come back.

I hate to say this but I believe that we are in what will become a losing season and we might not win many games at all.

Evidently after Inside Huskie Sports, we learned games are won and lost in the stands
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(09-12-2016 08:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:52 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  I am old fashioned and still believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. I do not see this season turning around because of weaknesses in both the O and D lines.

Any secondary will struggle if there is no pass rush and we have zero pass rush. When this team gets behind the players and the coaches on the sidelines seem demoralized and lack faith in their ability to come back.

I hate to say this but I believe that we are in what will become a losing season and we might not win many games at all.

Evidently after Inside Huskie Sports, we learned games are won and lost in the stands

Evidently you didn't listen and continue to not have any clue what you're talking about. The fact that out of his whole time speaking you came up with the idea is maybe the dumbest thought you've had on this board. which is saying something.
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(09-12-2016 09:00 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:52 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  I am old fashioned and still believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. I do not see this season turning around because of weaknesses in both the O and D lines.

Any secondary will struggle if there is no pass rush and we have zero pass rush. When this team gets behind the players and the coaches on the sidelines seem demoralized and lack faith in their ability to come back.

I hate to say this but I believe that we are in what will become a losing season and we might not win many games at all.

Evidently after Inside Huskie Sports, we learned games are won and lost in the stands

Evidently you didn't listen and continue to not have any clue what you're talking about. The fact that out of his whole time speaking you came up with the idea is maybe the dumbest thought you've had on this board. which is saying something.

Frazier sees no problem with the product on the field, that doesn't bother you? I thought your AAC standards would expect more?
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He also said it is a long season and to have some patience. Which I stand by that same saying as well until the first couple of MAC games. My expectations are way down for the remainder of the season, but I expect to see Improvement and do believe there is some real good talent on the team besides Kenny to make that happen asap
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(09-12-2016 09:30 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  He also said it is a long season and to have some patience. Which I stand by that same saying as well until the first couple of MAC games. My expectations are way down for the remainder of the season, but I expect to see Improvement and do believe there is some real good talent on the team besides Kenny to make that happen asap

See improvement? There is nothing but improvement, of course you will have to do it with a QB who didn't show much last year, with new OC and DC.

We are fighting for 4th in the west with BSU & EMU
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I do agree with him for calling out fans on not attending games. That IS on the fanbase and alumni.
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(09-12-2016 11:46 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  If Carey does stay on for 2017-18, I would guess there will be MASS defections from So-Jr's. It will take some patchwork to field a team out there next season. If Carey does go, it might be time for the new coach coming in to wipe the dust off the old Novak sign, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions". Worked once during a period of low morale, why not try it again.

seriously? what is your barometer on this? these guys came to play. they want the chance to prove they can lead the team to victory. i'll keep an eye on Northwestern but i don't think they had mass defections so far.

UofI hasn't had mass defections. heck even EMU holds tight on their players. this assumes that none of the SO-JRs want to be leaders, just winners.
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(09-12-2016 10:04 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  I do agree with him for calling out fans on not attending games. That IS on the fanbase and alumni.

At this point, he probably thinks he's tried everything else to get folks to games, why not go negative and call folks out, see what happens.
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(09-12-2016 11:24 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
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...we all knew this was the make or break year for Carey, so far, it's been break. If it continues, tough discussions will be had towards the end of the year.

Just curious, but what do you base the "this was the make or break year for Carey" comment on since he had already received a contract extension?
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I don't know about an all out make or break season but I think Carey should be replaced if things don't turn around this season. It seemed that he has been on the hot seat since the offense played so poorly last season and he had to replace his OC. Even with new coaches though, the schemes still are decided by the HC and there really hasn't been anything new or improved. If he chose to keep things status quo then that's on him for sure. There's still plenty of time to turn things around but if the players have lost confidence, that's also on the HC.
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The turn out at the Chicago game will play a role in what happens I believe. If things haven't improved and fans decide to not show up, that will influence what happens going forward. We have been counting on a great turn out and if that doesn't happen, there will be a lot of upset, important people. It probably won't be THE deciding factor but will be an important part IMO.
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