Ohio St at OU is the biggie.

Others include:

Texas at Cal
Pitt at Okla St
BYU vs West Va (Maryland)

and that's about it. None of the other nonconference games will register nationally.

Only one statement win so far:

Texas over Notre Dame

Next best win is West Virginia over Missouri, and Missouri sucks.

(09-11-2016 04:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Ohio St at OU is the biggie.

Others include:

Texas at Cal
Pitt at Okla St
BYU vs West Va (Maryland)

and that's about it. None of the other nonconference games will register nationally.

Only one statement win so far:

Texas over Notre Dame

Next best win is West Virginia over Missouri, and Missouri sucks.

Well, thanks to San Diego State the Cal game will be diminished. Should OU beat Texas and then lose to OSU, I'd say the Big 12 is out, unless WVU runs the table and does so impressively.

(09-11-2016 04:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Ohio St at OU is the biggie.

Others include:

Texas at Cal
Pitt at Okla St
BYU vs West Va (Maryland)

and that's about it. None of the other nonconference games will register nationally.

Only one statement win so far:

Texas over Notre Dame

Next best win is West Virginia over Missouri, and Missouri sucks.

Well, thanks to San Diego State the Cal game will be diminished. Should OU beat Texas and then lose to OSU, I'd say the Big 12 is out, unless WVU runs the table and does so impressively.

Texas loses only to Oklahoma, and Oklahoma loses 2 in the Big 12. Texas is Big 12 champion with only 1 loss, and the win over Notre Dame. Would have to think that Texas would get in.

Houston will represent the B12 this year.

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

I'm sure you'll be telling GTS to delete the laughable score thread since a win is a win at the D1 level.

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

Uh... Maybe it is in paper, but in reality it is not and as time goes on the division will only become more apparent.

The lowest of the Power conferences, the ACC, gets more than 4X the money from their media deal alone than the highest compensated "g" conference, the American.

The future is quite clear: there is no universe where the "g" conferences will be able to be competitive over the long-haul with the Power conferences. You may not like it, but a new subdivision has already occurred. It just needs to be solemnized.

(09-11-2016 06:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

Uh... Maybe it is in paper, but in reality it is not and as time goes on the division will only become more apparent.

The lowest of the Power conferences, the ACC, gets more than 4X the money from their media deal alone than the highest compensated "g" conference, the American.

The future is quite clear: there is no universe where the "g" conferences will be able to be competitive over the long-haul with the Power conferences. You may not like it, but a new subdivision has already occurred. It just needs to be solemnized.

Can't completely agree. Their will always be lesser P5's that don't compete. As long as there is a 85 scholarship big boys cannot sign all the talent. Their is a lot of talent produced in this country every year. If your just talking money then I agree G5 will never compete there, but many G5's over the long haul compete just fine with less resources. If your talking National Championships only 20 schools realistically can win that anyway.

(09-11-2016 06:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

Uh... Maybe it is in paper, but in reality it is not and as time goes on the division will only become more apparent.

The lowest of the Power conferences, the ACC, gets more than 4X the money from their media deal alone than the highest compensated "g" conference, the American.

The future is quite clear: there is no universe where the "g" conferences will be able to be competitive over the long-haul with the Power conferences. You may not like it, but a new subdivision has already occurred. It just needs to be solemnized.

Who you callin' 'the lowest of the power conferences' dogbreath?

Get over yerself....

Look, this is not complicated:

1. An undefeated P5 conference champ will be in the playoff.

2. A one-loss P5 conference champ will be in the playoff, except that if there are at least 5 teams total amongst (a) P5 champs with fewer than 2 losses, (b) Notre Dame with fewer than 2 losses, and ( c) undefeated G5 teams, then somebody has to be left out because there is only room for 4, and the somebody who gets squeezed out probably won't be the biggest "Name" program (see Ohio State/TCU/Baylor in 2014).

3. A two-loss P5 conference champ needs both good fortune and the presence of at least one other two-loss P5 champ. If the other 4 P5 champs all have fewer than 2 losses, the two-loss champ is out even if their schedule was more challenging than others (see Stanford in 2015).

(09-11-2016 10:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Look, this is not complicated:

1. An undefeated P5 conference champ will be in the playoff.

2. A one-loss P5 conference champ will be in the playoff, except that if there are at least 5 teams total amongst (a) P5 champs with fewer than 2 losses, (b) Notre Dame with fewer than 2 losses, and ( c) undefeated G5 teams, then somebody has to be left out because there is only room for 4, and the somebody who gets squeezed out probably won't be the biggest "Name" program (see Ohio State/TCU/Baylor in 2014).

3. A two-loss P5 conference champ needs both good fortune and the presence of at least one other two-loss P5 champ. If the other 4 P5 champs all have fewer than 2 losses, the two-loss champ is out even if their schedule was more challenging than others (see Stanford in 2015).

we'll see. I could easily see a Baylor 1 loss team not make it in if there's 3 other 0/1 loss p5 champions, AND a 2 loss champion from Big Ten or SEC in particular. You can't just use Stanford there from last year as proof that losses totally decide everything. You had ACC champion with 0 losses, Alabama with 1 loss- they're safe, Michigan St with 1 loss- they're safe, and Oklahoma had only 1 loss- and wins over 4 top 25 teams, which was better than what Stanford had.

And sorry, but 2014 didn't have a damn thing to do with name program. It had to do with the fact that Baylor BEAT TCU on the field, giving them the Big 12 championship to most of the committee's thoughts, and then Ohio St had an overwhelming SOS advantage over Baylor.

(09-11-2016 09:04 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 06:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

Uh... Maybe it is in paper, but in reality it is not and as time goes on the division will only become more apparent.

The lowest of the Power conferences, the ACC, gets more than 4X the money from their media deal alone than the highest compensated "g" conference, the American.

The future is quite clear: there is no universe where the "g" conferences will be able to be competitive over the long-haul with the Power conferences. You may not like it, but a new subdivision has already occurred. It just needs to be solemnized.

Can't completely agree. Their will always be lesser P5's that don't compete. As long as there is a 85 scholarship big boys cannot sign all the talent. Their is a lot of talent produced in this country every year. If your just talking money then I agree G5 will never compete there, but many G5's over the long haul compete just fine with less resources. If your talking National Championships only 20 schools realistically can win that anyway.

I would say it is actually less than 20.

(09-11-2016 10:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Look, this is not complicated:

1. An undefeated P5 conference champ will be in the playoff.

2. A one-loss P5 conference champ will be in the playoff, except that if there are at least 5 teams total amongst (a) P5 champs with fewer than 2 losses, (b) Notre Dame with fewer than 2 losses, and ( c) undefeated G5 teams, then somebody has to be left out because there is only room for 4, and the somebody who gets squeezed out probably won't be the biggest "Name" program (see Ohio State/TCU/Baylor in 2014).

3. A two-loss P5 conference champ needs both good fortune and the presence of at least one other two-loss P5 champ. If the other 4 P5 champs all have fewer than 2 losses, the two-loss champ is out even if their schedule was more challenging than others (see Stanford in 2015).

we'll see. I could easily see a Baylor 1 loss team not make it in if there's 3 other 0/1 loss p5 champions, AND a 2 loss champion from Big Ten or SEC in particular. You can't just use Stanford there from last year as proof that losses totally decide everything. You had ACC champion with 0 losses, Alabama with 1 loss- they're safe, Michigan St with 1 loss- they're safe, and Oklahoma had only 1 loss- and wins over 4 top 25 teams, which was better than what Stanford had.

Ehhh. The committee's work can always be rationalized (hey there, Jeff Long) but this sport has a long history of prioritizing fewest losses when comparing teams. There's no reason to believe things will be different now until something different actually happens, i.e. until a 1-loss P5 champ is left out while a 2-loss team is selected for the playoff.

(09-11-2016 04:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Ohio St at OU is the biggie.

Others include:

Texas at Cal
Pitt at Okla St
BYU vs West Va (Maryland)

and that's about it. None of the other nonconference games will register nationally.

Only one statement win so far:

Texas over Notre Dame

Next best win is West Virginia over Missouri, and Missouri sucks.

Cal isn't going to be much of a statement this year, I'm afraid.
Pitt? They're 2-0 with a win over PSU, but I'm not sure that's gonna make such a huge statement. Although they might have a pretty good year, but I'm not hearing anyone talk about the big bowls for them yet. BYU? Already has a loss and a win over a bad Arizona team. They'll probably make a bowl, but I'm not seeing any more than 8 wins for them (and even that might be a stretch).

Having Okla knock out Ohio State would be awesome though.

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Basically, for the Big XII to make the playoffs,

Texas probably goes if ND finishes strong and they run the table. And might make it even if they lose one game.
Baylor has an awful schedule. And they're probably not winning at OU, at UT, and @WVU. Their weak schedule probably knocks them out if they lose even one game
WVU - See Baylor. Super weak OOC. Lose one game, and they're probably done.
TCU - They're probably done.
OU - Actually can still make it even if they have a loss. Must beat Ohio State. And then UH either needs to lose a game or UH makes the playoffs with OU.

Texas is probably the only team in the conference that could lose a game and not be eliminated. And all of the Big XII teams, save Texas will be picked after an undefeated Louisville, Florida State, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Washington, Stanford, Alabama, and Texas A&M. And then there's Houston. They finish undefeated they'll take a spot over a 1 loss Big XII champ that isn't UT.

(09-11-2016 10:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Look, this is not complicated:

1. An undefeated P5 conference champ will be in the playoff.

2. A one-loss P5 conference champ will be in the playoff, except that if there are at least 5 teams total amongst (a) P5 champs with fewer than 2 losses, (b) Notre Dame with fewer than 2 losses, and ( c) undefeated G5 teams, then somebody has to be left out because there is only room for 4, and the somebody who gets squeezed out probably won't be the biggest "Name" program (see Ohio State/TCU/Baylor in 2014).

3. A two-loss P5 conference champ needs both good fortune and the presence of at least one other two-loss P5 champ. If the other 4 P5 champs all have fewer than 2 losses, the two-loss champ is out even if their schedule was more challenging than others (see Stanford in 2015).

we'll see. I could easily see a Baylor 1 loss team not make it in if there's 3 other 0/1 loss p5 champions, AND a 2 loss champion from Big Ten or SEC in particular. You can't just use Stanford there from last year as proof that losses totally decide everything. You had ACC champion with 0 losses, Alabama with 1 loss- they're safe, Michigan St with 1 loss- they're safe, and Oklahoma had only 1 loss- and wins over 4 top 25 teams, which was better than what Stanford had.

Ehhh. The committee's work can always be rationalized (hey there, Jeff Long) but this sport has a long history of prioritizing fewest losses when comparing teams. There's no reason to believe things will be different now until something different actually happens, i.e. until a 1-loss P5 champ is left out while a 2-loss team is selected for the playoff.

The committee though hasn't shown that losses mean everything. See Florida St, 2014 as a prime example. They weren't even 2nd either, even though they were undefeated.

(09-11-2016 10:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The committee though hasn't shown that losses mean everything. See Florida St, 2014 as a prime example. They weren't even 2nd either, even though they were undefeated.

That is not an "example" of anything, beyond you may not get the top seed if undefeated.

Big difference between being ranked within the CFP and being left out of it.

If undefeated FSU had been left out, then you would have a good example of what is important among teams the committee selects.

(09-11-2016 09:14 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 06:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:36 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Houston will represent the B12 this year.

What self serving tripe. D1 is D1 and the bowl cartel is trying to tell you otherwise. dUH, Boise, WKU or any of the current hot teams are attempting to move up while hot. NCAA needs to reign in the schools & conferences in. D1 is D1 and the P5 myth is just that.

Uh... Maybe it is in paper, but in reality it is not and as time goes on the division will only become more apparent.

The lowest of the Power conferences, the ACC, gets more than 4X the money from their media deal alone than the highest compensated "g" conference, the American.

The future is quite clear: there is no universe where the "g" conferences will be able to be competitive over the long-haul with the Power conferences. You may not like it, but a new subdivision has already occurred. It just needs to be solemnized.

Who you callin' 'the lowest of the power conferences' dogbreath?

Get over yerself....

In terms of their current media deal? The ACC.

This is a $$$ and resource issue.

(09-11-2016 11:37 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The committee though hasn't shown that losses mean everything. See Florida St, 2014 as a prime example. They weren't even 2nd either, even though they were undefeated.

That is not an "example" of anything, beyond you may not get the top seed if undefeated.

Big difference between being ranked within the CFP and being left out of it.

If undefeated FSU had been left out, then you would have a good example of what is important among teams the committee selects.

I just don't think we can say with certainty that the only thing that determines things is record. And yes, I do feel what they did with FSU 2 years ago shows that record doesn't just trump everything. If you remember, FSU was up significantly in both polls over Oregon on Sunday, and then Tuesday, Oregon moved ahead of FSU. Week 12. The next week, Miss St loses, and FSU dropped to 3rd behind both Oregon and Alabama in the CFP poll, while FSU was #1 in both polls.

And you say FSU was an extreme example. I think Baylor is an extreme example where if they were the 1 loss team, it would be real easy to see a 2 loss team pass them up.

this is why the Big 12 needs to not expand and instead play fewer conference games and more OOC games and hopefully git a bit more money from the media partners which would save them money overall

fewer conference games has already been shown mathematically to result in a stronger overall strength of conference for the PAC 12 for all but the two weakest teams and that was with a conference game being replaced with a very WEAK game in the OOC for all teams

if the top Big 12 teams were replacing conference games with the same or better OOC games and the weaker Big 12 teams were replacing almost sure conference game losses with much more probable OOC wins that would be even better

expansion is not the answer fewer conference games is and bowlsby has stated the number of conference games is the most important factor with a CCG and increased playoff potential

(09-12-2016 11:19 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is why the Big 12 needs to not expand and instead play fewer conference games and more OOC games and hopefully git a bit more money from the media partners which would save them money overall

fewer conference games has already been shown mathematically to result in a stronger overall strength of conference for the PAC 12 for all but the two weakest teams and that was with a conference game being replaced with a very WEAK game in the OOC for all teams

if the top Big 12 teams were replacing conference games with the same or better OOC games and the weaker Big 12 teams were replacing almost sure conference game losses with much more probable OOC wins that would be even better

expansion is not the answer fewer conference games is and bowlsby has stated the number of conference games is the most important factor with a CCG and increased playoff potential

you do understand ESPN and Fox would not allow the Big 12 to reduce the number of conference games.

Also, if they did allow the Big 12 to reduce to 8, they would require a rule where teams would have to play 2 P5 OOC games. It's what they're doing to the ACC.