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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 09:58 AM)huskiebob Wrote: (09-13-2016 03:30 PM)NIU1981 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:10 PM)huskiebob Wrote: (09-13-2016 01:43 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote: Carey said its a knee and ankle. Hare is going for a second opinion to see if surgery is needed. Im sure hes done for the year. Probably no chance for a medical redshirt.
Actually, it is possible to get a sixth season of eligibility for medical reasons. The NCAA calls it a "Medical Hardship Waiver." A player has to have appeared in no more than 30% of the games in the season in which he sustained the injury to qualify.
Quote:A more recent example is former Houston Cougars quarterback Case Keenum. Kennum redshirted his freshman year of 2006, and then tore an ACL three games into the 2010 season, which would have otherwise been his final year of eligibility.
Keenum then played a full season in 2011, his sixth season at UH.
The player needs to lose two years of eligibility due to injury to get a sixth year, as was the case with Keenum (see what I did there). Hare will only lose one year due to injury so he will not be eligible for a sixth year. His first year was a regular old redshirt year that had nothing to do with injury. Logan Pegram is another example. He broke his leg in fall camp prior to his fifth year and was done because he had already taken his redshirt year for reasons unrelated to health.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/new...id=6022570
That is incorrect. The NCAA has previously granted a sixth year of eligibility when the redshirt season was NOT due to an injury. This is of big importance to Huskie football IF Drew Hare misses the remainder of the 2016 season and IF Hare decides he wants to come back for the 2017 season.
Prior to the 2015 season, Florida petitioned the NCAA on behalf of TE Jake McGee. McGee played at Virginia from 2010-2013, graduated and then transferred to Florida. Under the graduate transfer rule, he was immediately eligible to play in 2014. McGee broke his leg in the first game of the 2014 season and missed the remainder of the season. After the successful appeal to the NCAA, McGee then played his sixth season in 2015. McGee's redshirt season at UVA in 2010 was not due to medical reasons. During his redshirt season, McGee dressed, but did not play, for several games. In addition, he was named Scout Team player of the week at least once.
2010 Redshirt (UVa)
2011 Played the season (UVa)
2012 Played the season (UVa)
2013 Played the season (UVa)
2014 Injured and granted Medical Hardship Waiver (UF)
2015 Played the season (UF)
That McGee thing is interesting, I would not have guessed he would qualify for a sixth year. Just when I thought I had that rule figured out! The NCAA language says "For an extension request to be successful, the institution requesting it on behalf of the student-athlete must prove that the student-athlete was deprived of more than one season of competition for reasons beyond his or her control. For example, a student-athlete could have been forced to withdraw from school for two years to help support his family or to care for an ailing parent. More commonly, the basis for an extension request is incapacitating injury. In cases of injury, the institution must show that the student-athlete suffered injuries or illnesses that prevented him
or her from competing for two seasons." I think Coach Carey is right in saying you just submit and hope for the best.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
I hope that's the case with graham, but they could also say we have to protect him because after him there's not much.
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RE: Hare's injury
This is by no way a criticism of Drew, but maybe he should get on with his life (assuming he has surgery). He has already graduated and another year of hoping to play is not helping the team. We need to develop a new QB for the future. This season is already done basically. With 3 losses after this weekend (I hope I am wrong on that) and still CMU, Toledo and WM in the future, we will not win the division. We got lucky last year. I am very interested in Graham and his improvements from last year. I cannot remember if he is a Jr. or So. this year. We need to get whom ever is next in line ready to take over in 1 or 2 years. Maddie is not the answer either.
Maybe I am just disgruntled at how poorly we are playing and see no chance at recovering from this start. For Carey, this needed to be a real statement year and he has fallen short. These are his recruits and coaches. Its time for a change at the end of the year.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 02:19 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: (09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
I hope that's the case with graham, but they could also say we have to protect him because after him there's not much.
it's difficult for any team to keep multiple quality QBs. The ones not starting want to play. so every team is an injury away from going to plan B. To say the season is over is just naivete. The entire conference season is in front of us. You just don't throw in the towel.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 02:47 PM)Splooie99 Wrote: This is by no way a criticism of Drew, but maybe he should get on with his life (assuming he has surgery). He has already graduated and another year of hoping to play is not helping the team. We need to develop a new QB for the future. This season is already done basically. With 3 losses after this weekend (I hope I am wrong on that) and still CMU, Toledo and WM in the future, we will not win the division. We got lucky last year. I am very interested in Graham and his improvements from last year. I cannot remember if he is a Jr. or So. this year. We need to get whom ever is next in line ready to take over in 1 or 2 years. Maddie is not the answer either.
Maybe I am just disgruntled at how poorly we are playing and see no chance at recovering from this start. For Carey, this needed to be a real statement year and he has fallen short. These are his recruits and coaches. Its time for a change at the end of the year.
Agree with your assessment of the qb and coach situation
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
Did you guys not see Graham play last year? Or notice he wasn't recruited by anyone. And unlike Lynch he didn't play in the some giddy high school running offense that skewed his stats.
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RE: Hare's injury
I would not be surprised to see Maddie tomorrow if things don't go well. Not saying I want to....just saying it wouldn't shock me.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 04:23 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote: I would not be surprised to see Maddie tomorrow if things don't go well. Not saying I want to....just saying it wouldn't shock me.
If we see Maddie, I hope it is as a receiver. It is far better to get some of the young guys some experience at QB.
It is clear that this is not our year to compete for a MACC so lets prepare for the future!
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Maddie is gonna turn this pack around and mush them in the right DIRECTION!! FORWARD
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 04:01 PM)cartershaw Wrote: (09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
Did you guys not see Graham play last year? Or notice he wasn't recruited by anyone. And unlike Lynch he didn't play in the some giddy high school running offense that skewed his stats.
Who was the last NIU starting QB that had multiple FBS offers to play QB? How many were rated with three stars or better?
Wheaton South is a football power. I wouldn't be so quick to write Graham off. I am guessing he has progressed quite a bit since being dropped in as a freshman last year.
(This post was last modified: 09-16-2016 06:17 PM by HuskieTap22.)
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 06:15 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote: (09-16-2016 04:01 PM)cartershaw Wrote: (09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
Did you guys not see Graham play last year? Or notice he wasn't recruited by anyone. And unlike Lynch he didn't play in the some giddy high school running offense that skewed his stats.
Who was the last NIU starting QB that had multiple FBS offers to play QB? How many were rated with three stars or better?
Wheaton South is a football power. I wouldn't be so quick to write Graham off. I am guessing he has progressed quite a bit since being dropped in as a freshman last year.
I am pretty sure Santacanterina was a 3 star.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-16-2016 07:41 PM)Djud Wrote: (09-16-2016 06:15 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote: (09-16-2016 04:01 PM)cartershaw Wrote: (09-16-2016 10:10 AM)GCD70 Wrote: (09-13-2016 02:21 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: We don't need a season with a QB that has a surgically repaired knee and ankle. Not with our offense.
in the first 2 games, Hare was under center and shotgun. We appeared to be a dropback offense. Not our strong suit, the thinking is to protect Hare. Maybe, we might be in better position at QB with Graham, who is healthy, a year older and can run the zone read. I think we can then run to set up the pass. SDSU gave up 600 yds.
Did you guys not see Graham play last year? Or notice he wasn't recruited by anyone. And unlike Lynch he didn't play in the some giddy high school running offense that skewed his stats.
Who was the last NIU starting QB that had multiple FBS offers to play QB? How many were rated with three stars or better?
Wheaton South is a football power. I wouldn't be so quick to write Graham off. I am guessing he has progressed quite a bit since being dropped in as a freshman last year.
I am pretty sure Santacanterina was a 3 star.
He was a two star on Scout, Rivals, and 247 and no other reported offers besides NIU. I guess technically Lynch just barely made the three star category on some sites but many recruiting sites had him projected as something other than a QB.
Interestingly, looking back 247 actually had Graham rated slightly higher than Hare out of high school and in line with Harnish as a high two star. Given the subjectivity of those sites it is not hard to argue Graham scores out comparable to the last three NIU starters, at least on paper. Obviously all that matters now is what he does come game day but I am not writing this guy off yet. He led some solid wins last year as a freshman and may develop into a better QB than people think. Also note Graham had more pass and rush attempts last year as a freshman than Lynch did his first two years combined.
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Actually Hare may also have been a 3 star, as was the kid who left for Kansas.
Just did a Google search on 2015 ESPN 300; Santa was a 3 star.
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Hare was a two star on most if not all sites and NIU was his only reported offer. Santa hasn't even taken a snap in a real game yet so not sure he is relevant at this point if you are focusing on starters over the last 15 years or so. Root came in with a bunch of hype and was gone before doing anything only to walk on at K State and then retire from football shortly thereafter. The most successful guys playing QB at NIU over the last 15 years have largely been guys with few or no other offers and average recruiting rankings. At this point, Graham doesn't seem all that far off that mold and he was raised in a football family and played at a powerhouse in high school so would seem to bring some pedigree along.
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RE: Hare's injury
Even if Hare could get a 6th year it may be best for his future to hang 'em up. The leg injury was the same leg as the Achilles injury, which may have been a factor in getting injured - maybe healed but not 100%. Anyway, it was a second injury to same leg in 2 years. These young players should consider 20+ years from now; will be in constant severe pain, able to walk, etc.
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RE: Hare's injury
I was sitting in front of the father of one of the women's cross-country runners at the game. She said they are doing "special treatment" on Hare in the hope of getting him back in 6 weeks. If that is reliable/accurate, I have no idea what the special treatment could be, but it does not sound like he is having surgery and 6 weeks would put it at the BG or Toledo game. For what it is worth FYI.
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RE: Hare's injury
It was good to see him on the sidelines in just a walking boot. Tells me that the knee must be fine.
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RE: Hare's injury
(09-18-2016 09:52 PM)NILAW Wrote: I was sitting in front of the father of one of the women's cross-country runners at the game. She said they are doing "special treatment" on Hare in the hope of getting him back in 6 weeks. If that is reliable/accurate, I have no idea what the special treatment could be, but it does not sound like he is having surgery and 6 weeks would put it at the BG or Toledo game. For what it is worth FYI.
hmmm......hope its true
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RE: Hare's injury
Carey said he's having surgery now (9/20) in the weekly presser. Said it was a hamstring, but didn't want to go into detail because he didn't know.
He's also probably done.
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RE: Hare's injury
You don't wear a walking boot for a hamstring and you're ankle doesn't look like a folded accordion on national TV if its a hamstring.
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