(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

LOL! Too late Ill State failed to uprade their stadium because lack of support, and none of the schools you stated were even considered for an interview. FCS to Big 12... LOL, Get real! No one in America cares about FCS.

(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

It would appear your "i root for" is a bit dishonest, redbird fan...

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(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

The big 12 is so excited about all three that neither was invited for expansion talks. UNI has a dome and ISU has a tiny stadium. As far as I can tell, that was ISU's first win ever over BCS team. Any 1-AA coach would take the NIU job in a heartbeat. We took Jerry Kill from SIU. Wyoming of all places took NDSU's coach.

Wait...FCS to Big 12? And I'm the troll? Lol


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(09-12-2016 05:08 PM)HuskiesCHI27 Wrote:  Wait...FCS to Big 12? And I'm the troll? Lol


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Yes

(09-12-2016 05:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

It would appear your "i root for" is a bit dishonest, redbird fan...

To the "I root for" comment, I have no interest in the well being of ISU, or that of NDSU or UNI for that matter, although I admire what ISU has accomplished with its football program and the fact that the ISU enrollment is strong and rising. Incidentally, the NIU enrollment problem is a much more significant concern than is the collapsing football program and I trust that contributors to this chat site realize that. I stand by my point that NIU would experience a significant upgrade by employing the Redbird football coach.
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You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

(09-12-2016 05:06 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

The big 12 is so excited about all three that neither was invited for expansion talks. UNI has a dome and ISU has a tiny stadium. As far as I can tell, that was ISU's first win ever over BCS team. Any 1-AA coach would take the NIU job in a heartbeat. We took Jerry Kill from SIU. Wyoming of all places took NDSU's coach.

Can you imagine the atmosphere the atmosphere that would prevail in a cozy dome such as at NDSU or UNI when a top ranked Oklahoma team came to town to play football? We are in an age of declining football attendance across the country but the atmosphere in that dome would be beyond belief. Most of the folks visiting this site probably don't recall the old Chick Evans Field House days many decades ago but the atmosphere in that building was amazing, but, nowhere near as fun as that which may be created with 20,000 people in a small dome with a top ten football team in town. You are correct, the top MVC programs weren't 'publicly' considered for the big 12 because none had announced a willingness to move to FBS in football. That does not mean that the Big 12 hasn't thought about the advantage of a university that may opt to join the FBS in football over some school like the University of Central Florida which was on the short list of the dozen under consideration. Of course, if you are a Big 12 school like Kansas which is not only is bad at football but which also tends to lose to UNI in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, you would probably much prefer UCF. This is about much more than football.

(09-12-2016 07:33 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 05:06 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 04:45 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 08:36 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  Ok, who does everyone think the coach will be the next time NIU wins a football game?

The obvious choice as the next NIU coach is Brock Spack who has built a tremendous program at ISU. The Redbirds would beat NIU right now just as they beat Northwestern. Unfortunately, Spack would not take the NIU job if offered to take over the mess. Pivoting a bit, here is the unfortunate truth. ISU is closer to getting invited to the Big 12 than is NIU. In fact, I see at least three teams from the FCS Missouri Valley Conference who are more appealing to the Big 12 than NIU. North Dakota Sate, UNI and ISU are all superior to NIU in the eyes of the Big 12 should they choose to move to the FBS level in football. ISU has already upgraded its stadium and would provide the Big 12 access to the Chicago market much more effectively than
NIU could. At any rate, Brock Spack would do very well at NIU but he would never take the job....

The big 12 is so excited about all three that neither was invited for expansion talks. UNI has a dome and ISU has a tiny stadium. As far as I can tell, that was ISU's first win ever over BCS team. Any 1-AA coach would take the NIU job in a heartbeat. We took Jerry Kill from SIU. Wyoming of all places took NDSU's coach.

Can you imagine the atmosphere the atmosphere that would prevail in a cozy dome such as at NDSU or UNI when a top ranked Oklahoma team came to town to play football? We are in an age of declining football attendance across the country but the atmosphere in that dome would be beyond belief. Most of the folks visiting this site probably don't recall the old Chick Evans Field House days many decades ago but the atmosphere in that building was amazing, but, nowhere near as fun as that which may be created with 20,000 people in a small dome with a top ten football team in town. You are correct, the top MVC programs weren't 'publicly' considered for the big 12 because none had announced a willingness to move to FBS in football. That does not mean that the Big 12 hasn't thought about the advantage of a university that may opt to join the FBS in football over some school like the University of Central Florida which was on the short list of the dozen under consideration. Of course, if you are a Big 12 school like Kansas which is not only is bad at football but which also tends to lose to UNI in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, you would probably much prefer UCF. This is about much more than football.

Initially I thought the FCS to Big12 talk was sarcastic. ISU would have to join MAC or CUSA if they ever moved up. I was initially very concerned when ISU renovated their stadium that they would make the jump to FBS. It would be great having an in state rival but that could backfire quickly. With rising enrollment, FBS football, and strong all around athletics, they could end up being an attractive program for expansion. However once they settled for only 13+ k in stadium capacity, they're obviously not interested in moving up. UNI would also be an interesting program for the MAC to consider if they wanted to move up. Tough place to play for sure. Coincidentally, I once asked Compher about ISU expanding their stadium and if they were trying to get into the MAC. He didn't even know they were expanding. Ball State was even supposed to play at ISU which I though for sure meant something. At the time I thought shouldn't our AD know that the competition was growing? Never happened anyway.

(09-12-2016 06:23 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

To be clear, what we are talking about is the prospect of schools which currently complete at the FCS level who may be willing to join the FBS if it meant a possible invite to the Big 12. In order to be considered the FCS schools would have to be far superior to, say, MAC schools, in areas outside of football. Most MVC institutions actually are superior to MAC schools outside of football. Some are superior in football too. I believe the most respected college football computer rating system is that of Jeff Sagarin. His rating system ranks all FCS and FBS football teams combined within one ranking. Below is a list ranking of the top five MAC and top five MVC teams. The number associated with each school is where they stand among all FCS and FBS teams nationally:
#39 Toledo
#47 Western Michigan
#67 N. Dakota St.
#73 Central Michigan
#88 Northern Iowa
#91 S. Dakota St.
#97 Illinois St.
#102 Western Illinois
#107 Northern Illinois
#109 Bowling Green
I am an NIU alum and fan of Huskie Athletics and that ranking is frightening to me. The MAC needs to get it's act together and recommit itself to football. Again, I am an NIU fan, thus, a MAC fan. People with passion for NIU and the MAC need to interpret the current circumstances objectively and realistically and then put pressure on the MAC to get its act together.

(09-12-2016 10:06 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:23 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

To be clear, what we are talking about is the prospect of schools which currently complete at the FCS level who may be willing to join the FBS if it meant a possible invite to the Big 12. In order to be considered the FCS schools would have to be far superior to, say, MAC schools, in areas outside of football. Most MVC institutions actually are superior to MAC schools outside of football. Some are superior in football too. I believe the most respected college football computer rating system is that of Jeff Sagarin. His rating system ranks all FCS and FBS football teams combined within one ranking. Below is a list ranking of the top five MAC and top five MVC teams. The number associated with each school is where they stand among all FCS and FBS teams nationally:
#39 Toledo
#47 Western Michigan
#67 N. Dakota St.
#73 Central Michigan
#88 Northern Iowa
#91 S. Dakota St.
#97 Illinois St.
#102 Western Illinois
#107 Northern Illinois
#109 Bowling Green
I am an NIU alum and fan of Huskie Athletics and that ranking is frightening to me. The MAC needs to get it's act together and recommit itself to football. Again, I am an NIU fan, thus, a MAC fan. People with passion for NIU and the MAC need to interpret the current circumstances objectively and realistically and then put pressure on the MAC to get its act together.

F C S! Really no one cares about meaningless rankings, the only ranking that matter is the CFP rankings and AP poll before the the CFP rankings. Big 12 is closed and no FCS got a call for an interview. The only aspiration for any of the MVFC schools is to get a bid in other G5 conferences. So LOL, you must be new to think people outside of illinois know an illinois state redbird football exists or care about FCS football in anyway. To say even "lowly" mac schools, even a EMU, is looking at a FCS school as an inspiration, or dropping to FCS is absolutely clueless and/or delusional. A MAC school has been in the conversation as a front runner every year of the CFP era, and NIU almost made two back to back BCS bowls in the BCS era. CMU has votes in the AP polls this season, so far. Sagarin ratings, Lmao, reaching to make Ill State relevant. Again if we take Spack, and NIU can if they want, that school will spiral back down to it's 100+ years of irrelevance. That should be something that frightens you, but hey finally a miracle win against an FBS opponent, yay!

(09-12-2016 10:06 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:23 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

To be clear, what we are talking about is the prospect of schools which currently complete at the FCS level who may be willing to join the FBS if it meant a possible invite to the Big 12. In order to be considered the FCS schools would have to be far superior to, say, MAC schools, in areas outside of football. Most MVC institutions actually are superior to MAC schools outside of football. Some are superior in football too. I believe the most respected college football computer rating system is that of Jeff Sagarin. His rating system ranks all FCS and FBS football teams combined within one ranking. Below is a list ranking of the top five MAC and top five MVC teams. The number associated with each school is where they stand among all FCS and FBS teams nationally:
#39 Toledo
#47 Western Michigan
#67 N. Dakota St.
#73 Central Michigan
#88 Northern Iowa
#91 S. Dakota St.
#97 Illinois St.
#102 Western Illinois
#107 Northern Illinois
#109 Bowling Green
I am an NIU alum and fan of Huskie Athletics and that ranking is frightening to me. The MAC needs to get it's act together and recommit itself to football. Again, I am an NIU fan, thus, a MAC fan. People with passion for NIU and the MAC need to interpret the current circumstances objectively and realistically and then put pressure on the MAC to get its act together.

Well I guess we'll find out how good that ranking is when we play WIU in two weeks.

Spack doesn't impress me. We need a coordinator from a big time program ready to make the jump even if he is only here for a few seasons.


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(09-13-2016 12:04 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 10:06 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:23 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

To be clear, what we are talking about is the prospect of schools which currently complete at the FCS level who may be willing to join the FBS if it meant a possible invite to the Big 12. In order to be considered the FCS schools would have to be far superior to, say, MAC schools, in areas outside of football. Most MVC institutions actually are superior to MAC schools outside of football. Some are superior in football too. I believe the most respected college football computer rating system is that of Jeff Sagarin. His rating system ranks all FCS and FBS football teams combined within one ranking. Below is a list ranking of the top five MAC and top five MVC teams. The number associated with each school is where they stand among all FCS and FBS teams nationally:
#39 Toledo
#47 Western Michigan
#67 N. Dakota St.
#73 Central Michigan
#88 Northern Iowa
#91 S. Dakota St.
#97 Illinois St.
#102 Western Illinois
#107 Northern Illinois
#109 Bowling Green
I am an NIU alum and fan of Huskie Athletics and that ranking is frightening to me. The MAC needs to get it's act together and recommit itself to football. Again, I am an NIU fan, thus, a MAC fan. People with passion for NIU and the MAC need to interpret the current circumstances objectively and realistically and then put pressure on the MAC to get its act together.

F C S! Really no one cares about meaningless rankings, the only ranking that matter is the CFP rankings and AP poll before the the CFP rankings. Big 12 is closed and no FCS got a call for an interview. The only aspiration for any of the MVFC schools is to get a bid in other G5 conferences. So LOL, you must be new to think people outside of illinois know an illinois state redbird football exists or care about FCS football in anyway. To say even "lowly" mac schools, even a EMU, is looking at a FCS school as an inspiration, or dropping to FCS is absolutely clueless and/or delusional. A MAC school has been in the conversation as a front runner every year of the CFP era, and NIU almost made two back to back BCS bowls in the BCS era. CMU has votes in the AP polls this season, so far. Sagarin ratings, Lmao, reaching to make Ill State relevant. Again if we take Spack, and NIU can if they want, that school will spiral back down to it's 100+ years of irrelevance. That should be something that frightens you, but hey finally a miracle win against an FBS opponent, yay!

The Sagarin rating system is reputable and has been for decades. It is one of the tools that has been used to determine BCS rankings over the years. I hope folks who enjoy NIU football are paying attention to the evolving landscape.....

(09-13-2016 01:39 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:04 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 10:06 PM)namron Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:23 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  You must be new namron, but this is a site discussing FBS Div IA programs, and i don't think there are anyone in FBS especially huskie fans that looks at FCS programs with envy, especially one that draws poorly even when it's ranked playing a playoff game on a weekend at home. or won it's first game against FBS. There are plenty better examples if NIU wanted to use a FCS team as inspiration (which it doesn't) PS if it makes you happy, rest assured, if NIU really wanted Spack, NIU would get Spack.

To be clear, what we are talking about is the prospect of schools which currently complete at the FCS level who may be willing to join the FBS if it meant a possible invite to the Big 12. In order to be considered the FCS schools would have to be far superior to, say, MAC schools, in areas outside of football. Most MVC institutions actually are superior to MAC schools outside of football. Some are superior in football too. I believe the most respected college football computer rating system is that of Jeff Sagarin. His rating system ranks all FCS and FBS football teams combined within one ranking. Below is a list ranking of the top five MAC and top five MVC teams. The number associated with each school is where they stand among all FCS and FBS teams nationally:
#39 Toledo
#47 Western Michigan
#67 N. Dakota St.
#73 Central Michigan
#88 Northern Iowa
#91 S. Dakota St.
#97 Illinois St.
#102 Western Illinois
#107 Northern Illinois
#109 Bowling Green
I am an NIU alum and fan of Huskie Athletics and that ranking is frightening to me. The MAC needs to get it's act together and recommit itself to football. Again, I am an NIU fan, thus, a MAC fan. People with passion for NIU and the MAC need to interpret the current circumstances objectively and realistically and then put pressure on the MAC to get its act together.

F C S! Really no one cares about meaningless rankings, the only ranking that matter is the CFP rankings and AP poll before the the CFP rankings. Big 12 is closed and no FCS got a call for an interview. The only aspiration for any of the MVFC schools is to get a bid in other G5 conferences. So LOL, you must be new to think people outside of illinois know an illinois state redbird football exists or care about FCS football in anyway. To say even "lowly" mac schools, even a EMU, is looking at a FCS school as an inspiration, or dropping to FCS is absolutely clueless and/or delusional. A MAC school has been in the conversation as a front runner every year of the CFP era, and NIU almost made two back to back BCS bowls in the BCS era. CMU has votes in the AP polls this season, so far. Sagarin ratings, Lmao, reaching to make Ill State relevant. Again if we take Spack, and NIU can if they want, that school will spiral back down to it's 100+ years of irrelevance. That should be something that frightens you, but hey finally a miracle win against an FBS opponent, yay!

The Sagarin rating system is reputable and has been for decades. It is one of the tools that has been used to determine BCS rankings over the years. I hope folks who enjoy NIU football are paying attention to the evolving landscape.....

BCS is over with, so are relevance of sagarin ratings in FBS and the CFP. You obviously aren't paying attention to the evolving landscape. #bye

We should get coach Jimmy McGinty to lead the Huskies

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Sagarin is a guide, but cannot be that accurate. Most of these schools only have 4 games against teams from other conferences. After that, conference games just lower one team and raise another team's rating, and don't help to compare teams from different conferences. And there's typically only ONE game between an FCS school and FBS. That's not enough to compare FCS vs. FBS. The main point I can't disagree with entirely, as that FCS conference is easily the best - except that this is only one year we're looking at.

Rumor has it the Mich St. def coordinator would be very interested in this job and would take it in a heartbeat.

(09-13-2016 04:24 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Rumor has it the Mich St. def coordinator would be very interested in this job and would take it in a heartbeat.

He's hired. Make it happen everyone.

(09-13-2016 04:24 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Rumor has it the Mich St. def coordinator would be very interested in this job and would take it in a heartbeat.

they have 2 defensive coordinators, which one is it?

Harlon Barnett or Mike Tressel???

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-foot...l-mtt.html