(09-11-2016 01:54 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 12:47 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 12:33 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The Pac12, B12 and ACC are not looking that good.

Neither is the SEC, and that's my point. People want to act like the P5 conferences are like 100 on a scale of 1-100, and the G5 are at like 50. The reality I see is:
P5s @100 (and not all of them are at 100, but for the sake of this point...)
AAC @98
MAC @96
MWC @95
C-USA @89
SunBelt @60

IOW, the top 8 conferences are so close to each other, the line between P5 and G5 is contrived.

The AAC is a very solid league. I don't think anyone can really deny that.

However, you're knocking the SEC for week 1? 6-6 OOC.

We played 5 ranked teams and 1 other team in the top 30. (Wisconsin now #10).

SEC OOC wins week 1:

1. #16 UCLA (Pac 12)
2. # 20 USC (Pac 12)
3. # 22 UNC (ACC)
4. Louisiana Tech (C-USA)
5. UMass (Indy)
6. App State (Sunbelt)

SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

1. #2 Clemson (ACC) (Auburn) (19-13)
2. #4 FSU in Orlando. (ACC) (Ole Miss) (45-34)
3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)
4. Wisconsin in Wisconsin (B1G) (LSU) (16-14)
5. West Virgina is West Virginia (Big 12) (Missouri) (26-11)
6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)

No offense but who exactly did the American teams play to have such a good OOC record?

OOC wins week 1.

1. UT Martin- FCS
2. Maine- FCS
3. #3 Oklahoma (Big 12) (Great win Houston!)
4. Fordham- FCS
5. Western Carolina- FCS
6. Towson- FCS
7. San Jose State (MWC)
8. South Carolina State- FCS
9. Southeast Missouri State- FCS
10. North Texas (Sunbelt)

American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

SEC week 2 OOC wins 10-0.

1. Western Kentucky (C-USA)
2. Nicholls (Wins a win) (FCS)
3. #15 TCU (Big 12) (Predicted 9 wins)
4. Virginia Tech (ACC) (Possible bowl team, but who knows I see 5 wins)
5. Wofford (FCS)
6. Prairie View (FCS)
7. Jacksonville State (FCS)
8. Middle Tennessee State (C-USA)
9. Arkansas State (Sunbelt)
10. Eastern Michigan (MAC)

American OOC wins Week 2:

1. Lamar- FCS
2. NC State (ACC) (Expected to finish with 5 or less wins)
3. Purdue (B1G) (Expected to have 3 or less wins)
4. Stony Brook (FCS)
5. Northren Illinois (MAC)
6. Southern (FCS)

American Losses Week 2:

1. #4 Ohio State (48-3)
2. #5 Michigan (51-14)
3. #23 Baylor (40-13)


I know a lot of people dislike the SEC because of the media hype, being overrated or whatever, I got it. We played the hardest slate of games during week 1. 5 of our 7 losses came from the expected bottom teams and other than Mississippi State none of those 5 losses were shockers. Everything will work itself out. If we're overrated we'll all find out. If the American or any other G5 conference is the real deal we'll find that out too. The American had some very good teams last season and it looks like it may have a few of them again this season. It'll all work itself out!

Good luck!

Just to play devils advocate, that week two SEC schedule looks a hell of a lot like the Week one AAC schedule that you just trashed.

Yeah I'm making a point that we went undefeated and won 10 games against it too. Slight difference is you played 7 FCS + 3 FCS week 2 to our 4 FCS but we have additional FCS at the end of the season for some of the teams that haven't played an FCS yet so it'll balance out. Also, I didn't trash anything. I listed the exact schedule with 1 comment that stated "Great win Houston!"

The media trashed the SEC as well as alot of fans from other conferences. That's what happens when you play a real opening weekend schedule I guess.

Overall though we are now 16-6 with wins over 4 ranked teams.

^Yeah but really, you should be....the money your programs rake in from gate and tv money is unreal. You can afford the best facilities, best coaches, best everything....really the best teams money can buy honestly so doing well SHOULD be the expectation from every SEC team

(09-11-2016 12:47 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 12:33 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The Pac12, B12 and ACC are not looking that good.

Neither is the SEC, and that's my point. People want to act like the P5 conferences are like 100 on a scale of 1-100, and the G5 are at like 50. The reality I see is:
P5s @100 (and not all of them are at 100, but for the sake of this point...)
AAC @98
MAC @96
MWC @95
C-USA @89
SunBelt @60

IOW, the top 8 conferences are so close to each other, the line between P5 and G5 is contrived.

I don't have a problem with anything that you wrote, except about the Sun Belt. The Sunbelt should be about 90 or more, because the Sun Belt is clearly better than CUSA and is nearly equal to the MAC.

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)

6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)


American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

(09-11-2016 10:22 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)

6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)


American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Fine, lets draw up a hypo AAC/BigXII challenge. Base it on current rankings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=200137&s=286577

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10686&s=286577

AAC has the best team (UH) but BIGXII is better overall with more depth. But it's only week 2.

The B12 has three 2-0 teams while the AAC has 6.

The AAC on the field is doing well in comparison to B12
The problem is that on the field performance is NOT what determines the value of a league. As long as the B12 has Oklahoma and Texas it will be looked at snd paid better than the AAC regardless of on the field results.

Sad but true.

You put those two in the AAC and the league instantly becomes a P5 and gets paid 20-30 million a year

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:22 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)

6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)


American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:22 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)

6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)


American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

(09-11-2016 09:05 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:22 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  SEC OOC Losses Week 1.

3. South Alabama (Sunbelt) (Mississippi State) (21-20)

6. Southern Miss (C-USA) (Kentucky) (44-35)


American Conference losses Week 1:

1. Wake Forest
2. Army


I do hope you can see the difference...

I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

I would just add the SEC plays very few road games. As far as your 2nd paragraph, that's easy for you to say. Auburn gets all the P5 benefits. P5 is much more than just access to a playoff/bowls. It's branding, media coverage, and $. That branding cost us big on the recruiting trail, even in many cases when it shouldn't.

(09-11-2016 09:38 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:05 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:22 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  I really don't....certainly not enough to justify the difference between the alleged top league and a league that gets relative scraps.
The league is starting to turn a corner as the bottom is getting better and the teams are investing resources (from their own fans and donors) so why not give the league some respect and see what it can build?

You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

I would just add the SEC plays very few road games. As far as your 2nd paragraph, that's easy for you to say. Auburn gets all the P5 benefits. P5 is much more than just access to a playoff/bowls. It's branding, media coverage, and $. That branding cost us big on the recruiting trail, even in many cases when it shouldn't.

We play 4 SEC road games. Then whatever OOC schedule we have setup.

This season Auburn plays:

1. @ Mississippi State
2. @ #19 Ole Miss
3. @ #16 Georgia
4. @ #1 Alabama

Next season though we have to play @ Clemson and then 4 SEC road games. Just depends on the season. Typically we play 4 or 5. Which is the same as most P5 programs. ACC plays 5, Pac 12 plays 5, B1G plays 5, ACC plays 5 and so on.

I'm not gonna get into the P5 branding discussion. For whatever reason the P5 exists and you can point to money every single time you wanna bring it up. That is out of my control, I can't change it. All I ever respond with is Auburn has had several very good to great seasons before the BCS/P5 existed. We have been with the SEC since it was created I'm not gonna apologize for being in the SEC or act like my school is a bad guy for it.

(09-11-2016 11:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:38 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:05 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

I would just add the SEC plays very few road games. As far as your 2nd paragraph, that's easy for you to say. Auburn gets all the P5 benefits. P5 is much more than just access to a playoff/bowls. It's branding, media coverage, and $. That branding cost us big on the recruiting trail, even in many cases when it shouldn't.

We play 4 SEC road games. Then whatever OOC schedule we have setup.

This season Auburn plays:

1. @ Mississippi State
2. @ #19 Ole Miss
3. @ #16 Georgia
4. @ #1 Alabama

Next season though we have to play @ Clemson and then 4 SEC road games. Just depends on the season. Typically we play 4 or 5. Which is the same as most P5 programs. ACC plays 5, Pac 12 plays 5, B1G plays 5, ACC plays 5 and so on.

I'm not gonna get into the P5 branding discussion. For whatever reason the P5 exists and you can point to money every single time you wanna bring it up. That is out of my control, I can't change it. All I ever respond with is Auburn has had several very good to great seasons before the BCS/P5 existed. We have been with the SEC since it was created I'm not gonna apologize for being in the SEC or act like my school is a bad guy for it.

ECU plays 6 road games annually. Makes a difference in a couple of close games per year, we probably lose Saturday if the game is on the road.

As to the P5 or even on a lesser level the AAC, it's nothing more than collusion. What other sport do you get to pick your league or schedule even? Most sports have a regulating body, they tell you your division/league. It's what's great an horrible about college football all in one.

(09-10-2016 03:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Espn has ruined college football

FYP

(09-11-2016 11:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:38 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:05 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

I would just add the SEC plays very few road games. As far as your 2nd paragraph, that's easy for you to say. Auburn gets all the P5 benefits. P5 is much more than just access to a playoff/bowls. It's branding, media coverage, and $. That branding cost us big on the recruiting trail, even in many cases when it shouldn't.

We play 4 SEC road games. Then whatever OOC schedule we have setup.

This season Auburn plays:

1. @ Mississippi State
2. @ #19 Ole Miss
3. @ #16 Georgia
4. @ #1 Alabama

Next season though we have to play @ Clemson and then 4 SEC road games. Just depends on the season. Typically we play 4 or 5. Which is the same as most P5 programs. ACC plays 5, Pac 12 plays 5, B1G plays 5, ACC plays 5 and so on.

I'm not gonna get into the P5 branding discussion. For whatever reason the P5 exists and you can point to money every single time you wanna bring it up. That is out of my control, I can't change it. All I ever respond with is Auburn has had several very good to great seasons before the BCS/P5 existed. We have been with the SEC since it was created I'm not gonna apologize for being in the SEC or act like my school is a bad guy for it.

You don't have to apologize for being BCS/P5 but you must recognize the enormous advantage it gives your school over non-BCS/G5. Non-BCS/G5 have been branded with a scarlet letter against their will and must over come that additional obstacle while playing on the same field as you and competing for the same players. What Houston is doing is more amazing than what Alabama is doing when you consider the artificial label of inferiority that comes with "G5" Houston must struggle under and financial shortfall they must overcome due a system championed by your conference.

(09-11-2016 11:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:38 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:05 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:13 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  You're conference has beaten 10 FCS teams. That's the difference through week 2. Your conference has 1 ranked OOC win. Your conference mates got destroyed by their ranked opponents yesterday and the P5 teams you beat are both bad (Purdue and NC State).

The American is 16-5 with 10 FCS wins, 3 G5 wins, 3 P5 wins. (1 total top 25 win)
The SEC is 16-6 with 4 FCS wins, 7 G5 wins, 5 P5 Wins. (4 total top 25 wins)

There is a difference. Already through just 2 weeks, but for what its worth. Revenue and TV deals aren't based on just 2 weeks of football results.

The SEC has won 8 of the last 10 National Championships and have played in 9 of the last 10 in College Football.

Bama has 4.
Auburn has 1. (We got owned by FSU in the 2nd half of our loss in the 2nd appearance :( )
Florida has 2.
LSU has 1.

SEC athletic revenue

1. Texas A&M $192,608,876
2. Alabama $148,911,674
3. Florida $147,105,242
4. LSU $138,642,237
5. Tennessee $126,584,033
6. Auburn $124,657,247
7. Kentucky $116,494,690
8. Georgia $116,151,279
9. Arkansas $114,172,847
10. South Carolina $113,172,545
11. Missouri $91,217,778
12. Mississippi $87,602,519
13. Mississippi State $75,400,407
14. *Vanderbilt does not release financial reports because it is a private school.

The SEC distributed $457.8 million to its 14 members, an average of $32.7 million per school. So where did all the other money come from? We do the same things you do. We receive donations, have ticket sales and so on.

The top-five conferences for average attendance included the SEC (78,630), Big Ten (66,008), Big 12 (57,347) Pac-12 (51,880) and ACC (49,033). *American Athletic Conference 31,842.*

***The SEC led all FBS conferences in average attendance for the 18th consecutive year with an all-conference record 78,630 fans per home game, with more than 7.7 million total fans attending SEC games in 2015. Six SEC schools were in the nation’s Top 10 in average attendance.***

For the seventh consecutive year, the “SEC ON CBS” was the highest-rated regular season college football package on any network. CBS Sports’ national coverage of SEC football averaged a national household rating/share of 3.4/8. This marked the 20th season of SEC football on CBS.

The SEC also had the overall #1 ratings on ESPN.

On to your point. I enjoyed the American games last season and I am going to enjoy them this season too. The American had 4 ranked teams last season. I honestly thought you were better top to bottom than the ACC last season. This season is still young. I do think the American deserves more money, but you have to be realistic on what you are worth. How much do you make the TV networks paying you? Not just 5-6 big games against P5 opponents, but in general. Also, who agreed to the T.V. deal? Could you have gotten more?

Just a heads up from me. The SEC may have a few more losses next week.

1. ECU may be too much for South Carolina right now.
2. Georgia Tech may take it to Vandy.
3. Kentucky may lose to New Mexico State (Less likely than other 2 but possible)
4. Anyone else who lays an egg...

Hopefully as a conference we will be able to overcome these devastating losses, if they do happen. . .

Again, goodluck to you and your conference.

Yup. Anyone thinking we are anywhere near the SEC in performance or value is nuts.

I agree last years was a really good year for the AAC and we may not match that this year as it looks like a lot of parity is present in the AAC.

That said---The best thing about our performance thus far is it doesn't appear the AAC has any bad losses. I thought UConns loss to Army was a bad one---but I think that may end up not being that bad a loss. Army is looking like they just might have a pretty decent year. Im glad to see them turn it around.

So, its looking like the conference may end up with fewer ranked teams this year----despite that---its possible the conference is actually better this year top to bottom. Just fewer truly outstanding teams.

I 100% agree.

The AAC could be much more competitive throughout this season. Based on what I have seen early, Houston looks to be the best team and could be elite. Also, for what it's worth. There is no shame in UCF losing to Michigan, Tulsa losing to Ohio State, and SMU losing to Baylor. That is not the point I was trying to make at all.

Also, as an Auburn fan I have been on the wrong side of some bias from the media and polls. 2004 still stings. Even resume' wise we had a better one than Oklahoma and USC but those 2 names were hotter at the time and got the champ game over us, somehow. Nothing we can do about it.

Just keep supporting your teams, show up in numbers during home games, travel when you can and enjoy watching your team play. That's what I have lived by my entire life when it comes to sports. You win some, you lose some. Getting caught up in the BS will ruin your personal experience if you let it. College sports are about fun, the landscape has changed and the media has turned it into a nasty, money grubbing business but all you can do is enjoy your team, beat who's on your schedule and again have fun.

I would just add the SEC plays very few road games. As far as your 2nd paragraph, that's easy for you to say. Auburn gets all the P5 benefits. P5 is much more than just access to a playoff/bowls. It's branding, media coverage, and $. That branding cost us big on the recruiting trail, even in many cases when it shouldn't.

We play 4 SEC road games. Then whatever OOC schedule we have setup.

This season Auburn plays:

1. @ Mississippi State
2. @ #19 Ole Miss
3. @ #16 Georgia
4. @ #1 Alabama

Next season though we have to play @ Clemson and then 4 SEC road games. Just depends on the season. Typically we play 4 or 5. Which is the same as most P5 programs. ACC plays 5, Pac 12 plays 5, B1G plays 5, ACC plays 5 and so on.

I'm not gonna get into the P5 branding discussion. For whatever reason the P5 exists and you can point to money every single time you wanna bring it up. That is out of my control, I can't change it. All I ever respond with is Auburn has had several very good to great seasons before the BCS/P5 existed. We have been with the SEC since it was created I'm not gonna apologize for being in the SEC or act like my school is a bad guy for it.

I'd say a lot of P5 teams play 5 or 6 road games, 8 home games is rare...especially with more leagues going to 9 conference games.

Since TCU has joined the Big 12 they have played
6 road
5 road plus a neutral
5 road
6 road
5 road

(09-11-2016 01:32 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  American OOC wins Week 2:

1. Lamar- FCS
2. NC State (ACC) (Expected to finish with 5 or less wins)
3. Purdue (B1G) (Expected to have 3 or less wins)
4. Stony Brook (FCS)
5. Northren Illinois (MAC)
6. Southern (FCS)

I hate to defend NCSU here but I'm not sure where you read this prediction. CBS predicted a bowl for them. SB Nation picked they'd be in the top 40 (>6 wins / middle of the ACC). Campus Insiders predicted 6 wins.

http://campusinsiders.com/news/nc-state-...08-09-2016
http://www.backingthepack.com/nc-state-f...rojections
http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...016-season

(09-11-2016 07:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The AAC on the field is doing well in comparison to B12
The problem is that on the field performance is NOT what determines the value of a league. As long as the B12 has Oklahoma and Texas it will be looked at snd paid better than the AAC regardless of on the field results.

Sad but true.

You put those two in the AAC and the league instantly becomes a P5 and gets paid 20-30 million a year

Exactly. There is no program in the AAC that comes close to the top programs in the P5 and I'm not talking about on the field results. It's early but Houston is playing as well as anyone in the country right now but they nor anyone else in our conference comes close to the upper echelons of the power conferences. There is P5 and P5 by association. The AAC has some programs that compare favorably with the P5 by association programs but none that compare to the true P5 programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Florida State, LSU, Texas, etc...... Getting to a P5 conference doesn't mean you are instantly on a level playing field either. Programs like Alabama and Ohio State will still have revenue advantages, fanbase advantages, recruiting advantages, facility advantages, which is why you see them routinely at the top of the polls.

(09-13-2016 01:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 07:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The AAC on the field is doing well in comparison to B12
The problem is that on the field performance is NOT what determines the value of a league. As long as the B12 has Oklahoma and Texas it will be looked at snd paid better than the AAC regardless of on the field results.

Sad but true.

You put those two in the AAC and the league instantly becomes a P5 and gets paid 20-30 million a year

Exactly. There is no program in the AAC that comes close to the top programs in the P5 and I'm not talking about on the field results. It's early but Houston is playing as well as anyone in the country right now but they nor anyone else in our conference comes close to the upper echelons of the power conferences. There is P5 and P5 by association. The AAC has some programs that compare favorably with the P5 by association programs but none that compare to the true P5 programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Florida State, LSU, Texas, etc...... Getting to a P5 conference doesn't mean you are instantly on a level playing field either. Programs like Alabama and Ohio State will still have revenue advantages, fanbase advantages, recruiting advantages, facility advantages, which is why you see them routinely at the top of the polls.

So what? "Programs" don't compete on a football field. TEAMS do. And the best TEAM is supposed to win the championship. If Houston is the best TEAM, they should win the championship. They should not be held out because their "program" is not as good/wealthy/historic/whatever as the conference winners of the PAC, BIG, BXII, SEC, ACC.

Otherwise, just give the effing trophy to Alabama and Michigan in alternating years, and save everybody a bunch of injury and money.