We agree to disagree.

(09-10-2016 05:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Big 12 just sent out a tweet saying that nothing will be reversed.....

They could tweet all their losses are reversed and free unicorns for all.

Fricks given - 0.

(09-10-2016 06:41 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 05:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Under this scenario, the rule should be the way it was called on the field.

This

No game should end on a penalty.

This. Its a chickenshit way to end the game. He could have run around in the backfield to win.

Gundy is a man. He can take it. Plus frick pornstache Mcmurphys alma mater.

(09-10-2016 03:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw on ESPN's scroll that the officials got the rules wrong on the play before- intentional grounding play by Oklahoma St on 4th down- what they are saying is that the rule on the books is if a play on the final play of the game includes a loss of down- and a corresponding change of position- that should be the end of the game.

From Fox's Perrera-
Fox's ref expert saying game shouldn't be extended on offensive penalty that includes loss of down.

wow.

Game should have ended but that's not the spirit of the rule. I think the NCAA will amend the rule to make it like it was called today.
I have no idea why OK State couldn't just run backwards for 4 seconds. I guess they didn't want to hurt their stats.

(09-10-2016 09:01 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 03:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw on ESPN's scroll that the officials got the rules wrong on the play before- intentional grounding play by Oklahoma St on 4th down- what they are saying is that the rule on the books is if a play on the final play of the game includes a loss of down- and a corresponding change of position- that should be the end of the game.

From Fox's Perrera-
Fox's ref expert saying game shouldn't be extended on offensive penalty that includes loss of down.

wow.

Game should have ended but that's not the spirit of the rule. I think the NCAA will amend the rule to make it like it was called today.
I have no idea why OK State couldn't just run backwards for 4 seconds. I guess they didn't want to hurt their stats.

Actually it is the spirit of the rule. The rule is basically saying the offense gets one more shot if the defense has a penalty.

Its really safer to run out 4 seconds to throw it than to run it. Just heave it up.

Don't remember if it was on this thread, but that CMU/WKU Bahama Bowl game 2 years ago was wild and had a similar play by CMU at the end of the game to score a TD.

It's not the spirit of the rule. There shouldn't be any rule where you can do something wrong- and benefit from it. You want to do what Oklahoma St did- than don't commit a penalty for intentional grounding.

And the problem for those that would like the rule to be like it's written now- that rule is going to be abused big time this year.

(09-10-2016 05:18 PM)3BNole Wrote:  The current rule has it right, and I don't think it needs to be changed. The whole idea that an offensive team should get an untimed play when the defense commits a penalty makes sense- had the penalty not been committed, the offense may have been able to score/change the outcome of the game. Unlike the scenario below, it does not initiate a new possession.

When the offense commits a penalty as time expires, it makes no sense to extend the game, even if there is a resulting loss of down that would result in a turnover. The fact is, the losing team ran out of time to possess the ball and the game should be over.

Now I'll tell you a loophole in the clock/penalty rules which I'm shocked has never been exploited: The game clock resumes following an offensive false start penalty. Let me give you a scenario. Team X is winning by 1 possession. They're on their own 20 yard line, there's a minute left in the game, and it's 4th down. Team Y has no timeouts left. What's to stop Team X from false starting intentionally a couple consecutive times until the game clock runs out? And yes, the clock restarts even after multiple false starts in a row.

It wasn't intentional but this happened in a way a few years ago in a Georgia-TN game. Took several extra minutes off the clock in a close game. Multiple false starts should not advantage the offense.

The thing that's funny about it- if it had been called "correctly" there would have been a lot of outrage about the rule being that way. I think to a lot of folks, the way the officials called it is how it should be.

(09-10-2016 09:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 09:01 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 03:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw on ESPN's scroll that the officials got the rules wrong on the play before- intentional grounding play by Oklahoma St on 4th down- what they are saying is that the rule on the books is if a play on the final play of the game includes a loss of down- and a corresponding change of position- that should be the end of the game.

From Fox's Perrera-
Fox's ref expert saying game shouldn't be extended on offensive penalty that includes loss of down.

wow.

Game should have ended but that's not the spirit of the rule. I think the NCAA will amend the rule to make it like it was called today.
I have no idea why OK State couldn't just run backwards for 4 seconds. I guess they didn't want to hurt their stats.

Actually it is the spirit of the rule. The rule is basically saying the offense gets one more shot if the defense has a penalty.

Its really safer to run out 4 seconds to throw it than to run it. Just heave it up.

I have no idea why OkSt couldn't defend the Hail Mary.

(09-10-2016 09:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's not the spirit of the rule. There shouldn't be any rule where you can do something wrong- and benefit from it. You want to do what Oklahoma St did- than don't commit a penalty for intentional grounding.

And the problem for those that would like the rule to be like it's written now- that rule is going to be abused big time this year.

I hope it is abused. Between that kind of nonsense and how some of these majors get such gifts from the refs, let's give more reasons to people to turn this product off. It isn't a game any more.

I'm so glad CMU pulled it out, but these games are more tedious than need be, and officiating is a big reason for it. Seems fixed...until you see the little guy somehow still finding a way.

(09-10-2016 09:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing that's funny about it- if it had been called "correctly" there would have been a lot of outrage about the rule being that way. I think to a lot of folks, the way the officials called it is how it should be.

Nope. People would just look at the boxscore and saw OSU beat CMU, or people would have just laughed that the Power 5 beat the Group of 5 again.

OSU put themselves in this situation. Intentional grounding on the last play of the game? Come on man...

(09-10-2016 09:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's not the spirit of the rule. There shouldn't be any rule where you can do something wrong- and benefit from it. You want to do what Oklahoma St did- than don't commit a penalty for intentional grounding.

And the problem for those that would like the rule to be like it's written now- that rule is going to be abused big time this year.

The rule is there for one reason. Its for defenses stopping a score by a penalty, such as interference. So the rule works as intended as written.

(09-10-2016 09:26 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 05:18 PM)3BNole Wrote:  The current rule has it right, and I don't think it needs to be changed. The whole idea that an offensive team should get an untimed play when the defense commits a penalty makes sense- had the penalty not been committed, the offense may have been able to score/change the outcome of the game. Unlike the scenario below, it does not initiate a new possession.

When the offense commits a penalty as time expires, it makes no sense to extend the game, even if there is a resulting loss of down that would result in a turnover. The fact is, the losing team ran out of time to possess the ball and the game should be over.

Now I'll tell you a loophole in the clock/penalty rules which I'm shocked has never been exploited: The game clock resumes following an offensive false start penalty. Let me give you a scenario. Team X is winning by 1 possession. They're on their own 20 yard line, there's a minute left in the game, and it's 4th down. Team Y has no timeouts left. What's to stop Team X from false starting intentionally a couple consecutive times until the game clock runs out? And yes, the clock restarts even after multiple false starts in a row.

It wasn't intentional but this happened in a way a few years ago in a Georgia-TN game. Took several extra minutes off the clock in a close game. Multiple false starts should not advantage the offense.

I think they've changed how the clock works in that situation.