great final play
screw OSU
sick of the P5 getting all the breaks at home

(09-10-2016 04:08 PM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 04:03 PM)Henry Burlingame Wrote:  I don't think you can protest a college game. The game is over.

That's my understanding too. I've been around for a while and don't remember a college game being protested. And if you could do that, the Rockets would have protested the Syracuse game from a few years ago. I seem to remember the Rockets asking Syracuse to vacate the win (vacate might not be the right word, but it's all I've got) but that's not the same thing.

I think the word is 'insert'.

Well, I'm not going to shed a tear for OK State, but it's a shame a team has to lose because the officials didn't call the game right. Maybe it's a sign that there are just too many damn rules when the people who are supposed to be enforcing them can't remember them.

MAC Officials are embarrassingly awful.

lots of mac teams get hosed by refs on the road. this one evened out. the thing to remember in the dynamics of how this game was officiated was that their were several missed calls down the stretch - in the mix of 2 back to back turnovers - including a bad p.i. on emu and especially the picked up flag on osu's final go ahead TD. the EMU DE gets tackled and the back gets the edge and wins the sprint to the pylon on 4th and goal. obvious call, in front of the refs and determined whether the play worked or not, flag thrown, should be 4th and goal from the 12 with OSU down four. instead, they huddle and decide to waive it off giving OSU the lead. bonamego went nuts at the refs and you gotta believe that in the chaos of the end of game grounding penalty conversation the echo of bonamego yelling "that call just gifted them the game" had something to do with how that uncertain crew made their final ruling.

the thing we are forgetting is that amazing final play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbpKycXM0A and the fact that cmu out played osu for the 2nd , 3rd and 4th quarters.

that win is huge for the mac west. if wmu beats illinois and ga southern (one the best sun belt teams this yr) and we beat fresno and byu the west has 3 teams pushing the top 25 right away. if any of those 3 teams come through the mac schedule undefeated they will be highly ranked.

Some heads are going to roll among those MAC officials. I could see them being fired. CMU should never had that play.

Apparently the Big 12 was responsible for replay at the game and that contributed to the problem.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-michigan/

I like the quotes from the coaches. Coach Bonagemo didn't discuss the officiating on the play, which seems smart. As the winning coach, you don't help yourself getting into that discussion. Here's his quote when asked about the officials giving the Chips an extra down: "'I'm going to leave that alone. We had a play, we executed, end of story," Central Michigan coach John Bonamego told ESPN. "I'll leave it for everybody else to discuss.'"

Oklahoma State's coach took responsibility for the play call: "'That's a tough one. Just so everyone knows, I was the one who called the passing play," Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy said. "To be honest with you, I never even thought of intentional grounding being called at that point in the game. As much time as we put into end-of-game situations, that never really crossed my mind. Unfortunately, that's a difficult way to learn a hard lesson.'"

"Added Gundy later: "'Even if the officials handled it incorrectly, it was still a dumb call on my part, regardless.'"

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...te-cowboys

2 game suspension for the officiating crew
http://www.mac-sports.com/news/2016/9/11...60259.aspx

(09-11-2016 03:03 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  2 game suspension for the officiating crew
http://www.mac-sports.com/news/2016/9/11...60259.aspx

Give the conference credit for taking action, I guess.

is anyone gonna explain why they picked up the flag on the obvious holding call on 4th down that gave osu the lead?

(09-11-2016 04:18 PM)pono Wrote:  is anyone gonna explain why they picked up the flag on the obvious holding call on 4th down that gave osu the lead?

Can't help you on that. The only 2 plays I saw in the game were the intentional grounding call and the hook and ladder on what turned out to be the final play. I can't remember what I was watching, but when I saw the score so close and knew it had to be nearly over - I flipped over to the channel the game was on. I guess I really put the whammy on Ok State.

Both coaches IMO get major wins for how they've handled this.

For the criers, did anyone hear major complaints coming out of the stands? From the coaching sidelines? The announcers BEFORE the play? Apparently the rule so obscure, no one knew it. Coaches (even the crying former football coach on the network about "kids" shouldn't lose like this as opposed to the other kids that would lose because of other bad calls) didn't even know there had to be a potential receiver and that's not at all obscure.

CMU shouldn't have even been in the game. OSU's fans should cry about that one.

CMU was pretty good. OSU could not run on them at all and CMU made some nice adjustments to put in smaller quicker DTs on passing downs to generate an interior pass rush that combined with the run defense mostly shut down the OSU offense after the first quarter. Once he settled in after a couple series Cooper Rush had no problem dicing up the OSU pass defense and his receivers were generally money on the catch. CMU had the ball and the lead with 5 minutes to go but OSU made a nice strip in the scrum of a pile before the whistle blew to get the ball back. They went up on the strength of a blown PI call on 3rd and long and the weirdly picked up flag on the obvious holding on the 4th down TD run. CMU was lucky to get that last play, but they could have had the ball, lead and run out the clock if they hadn't been unlucky on few other big plays late in the game.

(09-11-2016 06:18 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:18 PM)pono Wrote:  is anyone gonna explain why they picked up the flag on the obvious holding call on 4th down that gave osu the lead?

Can't help you on that. The only 2 plays I saw in the game were the intentional grounding call and the hook and ladder on what turned out to be the final play. I can't remember what I was watching, but when I saw the score so close and knew it had to be nearly over - I flipped over to the channel the game was on. I guess I really put the whammy on Ok State.

CMU coach saw it and he was NOT happy, coming onto the field objecting as he should. That was after the terrible PI called on a Central defender. The pass receiver was guilty of pushing off and if PI was to be called it should have been on the OSU player.

(09-11-2016 06:41 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Both coaches IMO get major wins for how they've handled this.

For the criers, did anyone hear major complaints coming out of the stands? From the coaching sidelines? The announcers BEFORE the play? Apparently the rule so obscure, no one knew it.

This is precisely the point I've been waiting for just one person with media clout to come forth and say. The national pity party for the other OSU over the past few days has been laughably embarrassing. I mean, quit acting like you knew that's what should have been called, because you didn't. None of the coaches knew it, none of the officials knew it, and I don't blame them, because it's absolutely absurd to think you can technically win the game by taking an intentional penalty. And for the record, I hate Central Michigan. I also hate MAC officials more than any individual MAC institution, past or present (even Marshall). But the right action was performed, and justice prevailed. Happy to have a team on our schedule who beat a ranked Big 12 team. Now let's get 'em.

(09-12-2016 12:55 PM)therockets046 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 06:41 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Both coaches IMO get major wins for how they've handled this.

For the criers, did anyone hear major complaints coming out of the stands? From the coaching sidelines? The announcers BEFORE the play? Apparently the rule so obscure, no one knew it.

This is precisely the point I've been waiting for just one person with media clout to come forth and say. The national pity party for the other OSU over the past few days has been laughably embarrassing. I mean, quit acting like you knew that's what should have been called, because you didn't. None of the coaches knew it, none of the officials knew it, and I don't blame them, because it's absolutely absurd to think you can technically win the game by taking an intentional penalty. And for the record, I hate Central Michigan. I also hate MAC officials more than any individual MAC institution, past or present (even Marshall). But the right action was performed, and justice prevailed. Happy to have a team on our schedule who beat a ranked Big 12 team. Now let's get 'em.

I couldn't agree more and that should be what everyone is talking about.

exactly, all OSU needed to do was execute a simple final legal play to earn the win. a quick punt, have the qb run round for a few seconds and dodge a defender, etc... they chose to make a cowardly non-competitive play that is against the rules. they should not have been rewarded with a win for that. it's like a pitcher getting the final out by hitting the batter or committing a balk. make a football play and win.

(09-10-2016 11:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  MAC Officials are embarrassingly awful.

THEY ARE NOT 'MAC' OFFICIALS ... they are Big Ten officials that also work in the MAC ... do your homework!!!

(09-13-2016 07:29 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  MAC Officials are embarrassingly awful.

THEY ARE NOT 'MAC' OFFICIALS ... they are Big Ten officials that also work in the MAC ... do your homework!!!

Bill Carollo, coordinator of officials for the MAC informed the crew they were suspended. The officials are indeed MAC officials, shared by agreement with the Big Ten. Falconplucker is correct in calling them MAC officials.

(09-13-2016 07:50 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:29 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  MAC Officials are embarrassingly awful.

THEY ARE NOT 'MAC' OFFICIALS ... they are Big Ten officials that also work in the MAC ... do your homework!!!

Bill Carollo, coordinator of officials for the MAC informed the crew they were suspended. The officials are indeed MAC officials, shared by agreement with the Big Ten. Falconplucker is correct in calling them MAC officials.

Yep, it's an org called the Collegiate Officiating Consortium. Includes the MAC, the Big 10 and one or two other conferences, as I recall. There is a similar one for Basketball that also I think includes the Horizon league. The officials belong to all those conferences.