http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

A 30 for 30 coming out on Ric in October. He told me he didn't hold much back....should be interesting.

Entertaining read.

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

Put down the hammer and sickle there buddy

(09-12-2016 09:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

Put down the hammer and sickle there buddy

Dude, I'm not using those tools on NASCAR's anus.

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 11:42 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/...orth-korea

See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

(09-12-2016 11:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  See Hanoi Jane's fingerprints all over this.

Nice to see that Hogan more or less told them to go bleep themselves when they asked him to go.

WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

(09-12-2016 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 09:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  WTF?

Why, because her husband Billionaire Ted owned WCW?

What does that even mean?

Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

(09-13-2016 02:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 02:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Ted never would have considered such a move before he met Hanoi Jane. She loves communism and has no problem being a shill at a communist propaganda event.

So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

(09-13-2016 05:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 02:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 08:12 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  So in other words, you are just talking out of your anus.

They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

(09-14-2016 12:43 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 02:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  They call her Hanoi Jane because she went to Hanoi DURING the Vietnam war and had a PR photo shoot with the North Vietnam Communist leadership. Using the American prisoners in the PR shoot. And depending on which version of the story you believe. the prisoners claimed that they slipped her notes when they shook her hand and she allegedly turned those notes over to the Communist right in front of the prisoners. Many of which were later tortured for slipping her the notes.

That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

It mentions his Company and his promoter. Does not have to mention him by name.

(09-14-2016 02:50 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:43 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 02:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  That has nothing to do with Ric Flair jetsetting to to Pyongyang.

Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

It mentions his Company and his promoter. Does not have to mention him by name.

Bischoff had complete control of WCW (He wasn't a "promoter," he was the chief executive; there's a difference) until Time Warner bought Turner.

(09-14-2016 02:53 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:50 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:43 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 02:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Has everything to do with it. Ted Turner owned WCW and until he tied up with Hanoi Jane was somewhat moderate to conservative. Would have never allowed his company to be used for Communist propaganda without her influence.

You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

It mentions his Company and his promoter. Does not have to mention him by name.

Bischoff had complete control of WCW (He wasn't a "promoter," he was the chief executive; there's a difference) until Time Warner bought Turner.

He still answered to Turner and later Time Warner.

From the interview:

FTW: What was it that made you decide you wanted to go to North Korea?

Ric Flair: Well, initially it was going to be Ted Turner, Jimmy Carter, me and Muhammad Ali — in the end it just ended up being myself and Muhammad Ali, and some other guys that worked on the undercard (the Steiner brothers, the Road Warriors, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, and Scott Norton to name a few). I just thought, number one, it’d be cool to travel with Muhammad Ali. Number two, it was a challenge, and I just thought it would be an experience to remember later in life..

So Turner was a part of the deal and had to approve the deal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/...d-lib.html

“He started becoming more and more environmentalist and then Jane helped move things over as well," Turner told Malzberg. “Then when you start hanging around and everybody you’re hanging around with is liberal, then you tend to move more liberal.’’

Teddy Turner, a 49-year-old high school teacher, said he – not his father – has always been consistent in his political orientation.

“I’m not a liberal,” he said. “People say how did you separate from your dad? I didn’t separate from my dad. My dad separated from me.”

(09-15-2016 05:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:53 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:50 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:43 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  You have no information. You just assume it is so. Alrighty then.

The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

It mentions his Company and his promoter. Does not have to mention him by name.

Bischoff had complete control of WCW (He wasn't a "promoter," he was the chief executive; there's a difference) until Time Warner bought Turner.

He still answered to Turner and later Time Warner.

From the interview:

FTW: What was it that made you decide you wanted to go to North Korea?

Ric Flair: Well, initially it was going to be Ted Turner, Jimmy Carter, me and Muhammad Ali — in the end it just ended up being myself and Muhammad Ali, and some other guys that worked on the undercard (the Steiner brothers, the Road Warriors, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, and Scott Norton to name a few). I just thought, number one, it’d be cool to travel with Muhammad Ali. Number two, it was a challenge, and I just thought it would be an experience to remember later in life..

So Turner was a part of the deal and had to approve the deal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/...d-lib.html

“He started becoming more and more environmentalist and then Jane helped move things over as well," Turner told Malzberg. “Then when you start hanging around and everybody you’re hanging around with is liberal, then you tend to move more liberal.’’

Teddy Turner, a 49-year-old high school teacher, said he – not his father – has always been consistent in his political orientation.

“I’m not a liberal,” he said. “People say how did you separate from your dad? I didn’t separate from my dad. My dad separated from me.”

Flair's statement that it "was originally supposed to be" does not mean in any way that Turner was asked, consulted, approved of, or even had a single thought about the trip. You are making a giant leap. It's far more likely that Bischoff decided how this was going to go down and made all the decisions as to who to approach and how to make it work, because that's what he did on a day to day basis with WCW, he ran everything and made all the decisions.

This is a ridiculous debate anyway. Even if Ted Turner said, "Hey go for it, brilliant idea to go to North Korea." Does anyone give a crap except you?

So, in light of that and for argument's sake, I'll let you win and go with the leap of faith that Turner approved the trip. No one cares.

(09-16-2016 05:56 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-15-2016 05:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:53 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:50 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:43 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  The article doesn't even mention Ted Turner as any sort of decision maker in this process.

It mentions his Company and his promoter. Does not have to mention him by name.

Bischoff had complete control of WCW (He wasn't a "promoter," he was the chief executive; there's a difference) until Time Warner bought Turner.

He still answered to Turner and later Time Warner.

From the interview:

FTW: What was it that made you decide you wanted to go to North Korea?

Ric Flair: Well, initially it was going to be Ted Turner, Jimmy Carter, me and Muhammad Ali — in the end it just ended up being myself and Muhammad Ali, and some other guys that worked on the undercard (the Steiner brothers, the Road Warriors, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, and Scott Norton to name a few). I just thought, number one, it’d be cool to travel with Muhammad Ali. Number two, it was a challenge, and I just thought it would be an experience to remember later in life..

So Turner was a part of the deal and had to approve the deal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/...d-lib.html

“He started becoming more and more environmentalist and then Jane helped move things over as well," Turner told Malzberg. “Then when you start hanging around and everybody you’re hanging around with is liberal, then you tend to move more liberal.’’

Teddy Turner, a 49-year-old high school teacher, said he – not his father – has always been consistent in his political orientation.

“I’m not a liberal,” he said. “People say how did you separate from your dad? I didn’t separate from my dad. My dad separated from me.”

Flair's statement that it "was originally supposed to be" does not mean in any way that Turner was asked, consulted, approved of, or even had a single thought about the trip. You are making a giant leap. It's far more likely that Bischoff decided how this was going to go down and made all the decisions as to who to approach and how to make it work, because that's what he did on a day to day basis with WCW, he ran everything and made all the decisions.

This is a ridiculous debate anyway. Even if Ted Turner said, "Hey go for it, brilliant idea to go to North Korea." Does anyone give a crap except you?

So, in light of that and for argument's sake, I'll let you win and go with the leap of faith that Turner approved the trip. No one cares.

"You wanna see it, don't you?"