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RE: NC A&T is ranked 24th in FCS, and is the #1 HBCU school.
(09-14-2016 09:14 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  In his first HC job after Kent, Doug Martin has a record of 8-30 at New Mexico State, never winning more than 3 games in a season since 2013.

At Purdue, Darrell Hazell has a record of 7-31, never winning more than 3 games in a season since 2013.

Something tells me that either fan base would be delighted to return either Martin or Hazell.

Agreed in spades.
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No doubt Hazell and Mason were two of our better recent coaches, and arguably the two best. But, they both inherited some really good talent as well as bringing some in, and neither stayed around long enough to prove that they could sustain anything. I'm fairly certain Don James would have, and maybe even Dennis Fitzgerald, but both coached at KSU in the 1970's, and the college football landscape has changed tremendously over the past 35 years, for reasons too numerous to even mention here. I just don't see, and again for several reasons, KSU ever being consistently good, or Akron either, despite all the recent good press they have been receiving. Coach Bowden is 60 years old, and I don't see him moving back up, so he may keep Akron fairly good until he retires, but I doubt he'll ever fill the stadium or be consistently at the bottom of the Top 25. I think most KSU fans would happily settle for the team just not being rotten, for the program to hang around .500, and better than .500 at home.
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Bowden may "keep Akron fairly good"? I think they'd have to become fairly good first. Bowden's record at Akron: 20-31. KSU's record during the same time: 20-31. Whatever you think about our program, their's isn't any better. And their empty stadium has them swimming in debt. Our paid for stadium actually draws better than their new one over the same time.
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(09-14-2016 12:38 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I was just reading over the "facts in a flash" for the game vs Monmouth and saw a very disturbing fact that goes to show how bad our offense has been.

"Redshirt freshman quarterback Mylik Mitchell threw three touchdown passes in his first career start Saturday, matching the most in a game by any Kent State quarterback since 2004 (Josh Cribbs)"

I think that's written in a misleading way. I think it means in their first start. Both Keith and Edelman had 3 td games.
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(09-15-2016 07:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  No doubt Hazell and Mason were two of our better recent coaches, and arguably the two best. But, they both inherited some really good talent as well as bringing some in, and neither stayed around long enough to prove that they could sustain anything. I'm fairly certain Don James would have, and maybe even Dennis Fitzgerald, but both coached at KSU in the 1970's, and the college football landscape has changed tremendously over the past 35 years, for reasons too numerous to even mention here. I just don't see, and again for several reasons, KSU ever being consistently good, or Akron either, despite all the recent good press they have been receiving. Coach Bowden is 60 years old, and I don't see him moving back up, so he may keep Akron fairly good until he retires, but I doubt he'll ever fill the stadium or be consistently at the bottom of the Top 25. I think most KSU fans would happily settle for the team just not being rotten, for the program to hang around .500, and better than .500 at home.

Good points - I have had friends suggest we follow the OU and Akron route and find an older experienced coach who would stay. My memory of Kent trying that is one I wouldn't repeat - in that case it was with Dick Crum. I juts have no faith in any of the coaches we have involved with the offense - whether its the OC or any of the position coaches - we look like the Browns! As I noted before Treadwell was not good at Miami and so far not so good here - I know there are some who will say he knows the game - but knowing and getting the players to execute are different. I could accept losing seasons if the games were exciting - but when you can't score - well losing is inevitable. I pointed out last year that the offense didn't score a TD in 7 of the games and there was no apparent plan at Qb. It's not clear we have a plan for Qb again - sound like the Browns????
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Not good news! Just heard Agner is probably out for the season
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Axeme, I suppose I could have expressed myself more clearly. Bowden took over a program that was in the pits, and in his second and third seasons was 5-7 each after they were 1-11 three straight seasons. Last year they were 8-5 and should be at least .500 this year. While 5-7, 5-7 and 8-5 would be a disaster for most FBS programs, I consider that "fairly good" by Akron and Kent standards. How often do you think KSU matched even THAT in any consecutive three-year period since the 1970's???
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Bo Polini is over at YSU and is still getting compensated by Nebraska. His base pay at YSU is just under $220k. With his buyout from Nebraska they have to pay him the difference of $150k a month so right now they pay around $129k a month. The compensation is for 51 months following the 2014 season.
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(09-15-2016 01:01 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Axeme, I suppose I could have expressed myself more clearly. Bowden took over a program that was in the pits, and in his second and third seasons was 5-7 each after they were 1-11 three straight seasons. Last year they were 8-5 and should be at least .500 this year. While 5-7, 5-7 and 8-5 would be a disaster for most FBS programs, I consider that "fairly good" by Akron and Kent standards. How often do you think KSU matched even THAT in any consecutive three-year period since the 1970's???

Post Don James of course, three year runs equal or better (some overlap):
'75-'77, '76-'78, '86-'88, 2010-'12, '11-'13, '12-'14. That's a lot better than Akron who only can match it in 2003-05 when they were just over .500 3 straight years.

My point is I don't think much of Bowden. I think he caught some breaks last year to get to 8-5, and I think that will be his high water mark in his Akron tenure. It's also the best record in Akron football history. Seriously.

And I agree with you, really, that KSU fans would at least like to be mid-pack in the MAC for a while instead of scrambling around the bottom (ruefully grateful for programs like Miami and UMass to be in worse shape than us.) That's the only reason to miss UMass.
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RE: NC A&T is ranked 24th in FCS, and is the #1 HBCU school.
Does anyone remember the absolute embarrassment that was the BG game last year? Getting beat that bad by a conference foe (with similar resources, recruiting bases, etc) at home was very, very telling.

This team and program has gotten progressively worse under this current regime. I don't think that's debatable. Whether or not that's a result of the institution or the current staff probably is worthy of debate, but either way, what they're doing now ain't working. Something has to change....
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Something is changing.

Basketball is now our official sport.
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Does that mean that we give up on football?
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(09-16-2016 02:29 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Does that mean that we give up on football?

It appears the administration gave up on football a couple of seasons ago.
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I think the administration gave up only because of the Presidents orders. Talk to coaches outside of football and the horror stories are shocking. No budgets, don't ask for anything make do. Joel's orders were football first.
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(09-16-2016 09:01 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  Something is changing.

Basketball is now our official sport.

Is there some news I'm missing?
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Glad we didn't lose to Monmouth. Watch out Alabama- here we come! :)
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Is Agner out for the season? What type of injury was it?

I think that Haynes/staff have proven that they can recruit and get players onto campus, but the results have been mixed once they get on campus. The MLB recruit that redshirted (name escapes me), but then transferred to Minnesota (never heard why that happened) was a tough loss. Dixon missing the year because of an illness and White getting hurt early in the 1st quarter of the Penn State has really set the WR position back, but that position has been a disappointment for a few years now (lack of production/injuries). It is tough to hear that Agner is out, as he looked promising, but it is good that they have Bollas & Mitchell to fall back on.

The off the field issues are down and academic performance are up, so those are +s. The offense has been a disappointment for sure, but we will see what they can do once MAC season starts, as that is all that matters.

Joel hired Haynes, but President Warren wasn't here for that hire, so she inherited him.

There isn't 1 answer for KSU Football (hire a new coach or stick with Haynes? get ride of the offensive coordinator or stick with Treadwell? Allocate more $$$ to football recruiting, assistant coaching salaries, or keep both the same?)

Waugh, Monday, & Holley were all recruited by Haynes and have developed into All-MAC players, so he has proven he can do it, but it has to happen on the other side of the ball, as well as in higher quantities.
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I like what I've seen from Mitchell, he's got the ability to be a dynamic runner. I like what I've seen from Rankin too. Between the two of them we should have the foundation for a really solid run game for the foreseeable future. But man, I would love to see us get a passing game. It's definitely partially on the QB's and partially on the play calling but the personnel is an issue too. We have literally no size at WR. It seems like every deep ball is going to a 5'8"ish guy. It's a shame because according to the depth chart we should have 6'2" and 6'3" starting receivers but between those two (White and Woods) we've amassed a total of 3 catches for 36 yards through 3 games. That's not going to cut it.

Does anyone know how serious White's injury is? What about Agner? I thought I heard he was out for the year but the announcers today made it sound like he could come back. Really speaks to the lack of coverage when your starting QB and #1 WR go down and it's hard to find out what their injuries are and how long they'll be out...
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I hate to disagree with my fellow Flash Fans but I do not see the recruiting to be of D1 caliber. In fact, the two FCS teams that we played looked to me to have better talent at most positions. NCAT sure did and they just got thumped bad by Tulsa. Monmouth maybe did not look more talented but who are they anyway? Fact of the matter is that both teams handled our lines with not problem.

BTW, it should tell us something when coach is in his 4th year and we are playing freshman QBs. We have a senior, 2 year starter on the bench. He was clearly beaten out by a freshman last year and we invested a year in that freshman. That QB, who I just happen to think gives us the best chance of winning is mostly on the bench. I admit that I do not see practices so can not know the full story but something appears odd. It is pretty clear that other MAC programs are getting recruits from out back yard. I watched a lot of football this weekend and it was amazing how many Ohio players had their name called. Was anyone impressed with the Monmouth win?
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I left at the beginning of the 4th and it took a lot of effort to stay that long. This year so far and the past two years have been beyond boring to watch and even painful at times.
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