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(09-07-2016 07:21 PM)JB04 Wrote:  its not the chance program. It has always been in existence even when enrollment was 25k plus. The reality is we have A LOT of rental properties around campus, and as enrollment dipped (with the rest of IL state schools), those apartments were rented to non students which brought many low income people in the neighborhood. Not that it's a terrible thing, but college kids would rather be around a bunch of other college kids, not mixed in with low income housing and families. Therefore cute little blonde suburban girl wants to go to ISU where all of the other upper middle class B+ students go.

I have lived in the area most of my life life and I am stunned how many kids are running around the very same apartment complexes I used to throw a keg party at.

Therefore, the combination of ISU somehow being the new hot place for white suburban kids to go, coupled with low cost of tuition at out of state schools, and then add a bit smaller number of high school students....its a bad self eating situation. Good luck Dr Baker

I think you definitely hit the nail on the head. Those property owners are going to rent out those units, regardless if they are student demand or not.
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(09-07-2016 03:19 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  The fall numbers are starting to come out across Illinois and NIU continues to be on the downswing.

NIU: 5.5% decrease to 19K
ISU: 1.1% increase to 21K
SIU: 7.5% decline to 15.9K
WIU: 6.5% decline to 10.3K

http://northernpublicradio.org/post/stat...d-and-ugly

Also the article says our freshman class is down 20%.
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(09-07-2016 06:07 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:59 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  It's been mentioned before, but like it or not, it's the Chance program and its been slowly killing the reputation of NIU for decades. It's been over 10 years since I've been there and I saw some messed up stuff at school that I never saw at other colleges I visited. A lot of kids genuinely feel unsafe. I had multiple friends mugged and robbed on campus and it's a shame bc I love NIU and I hate to see how's it's gotten on campus and it's reputation locally.

It's just the way the program is run. I'm all for giving kids an opportunity to goto college, but there should be some type of interview or screening program first to at least make sure the kids involved in the program are serious about going to school and getting an education. A lot of the kids on the program's never made it a semester and it just kept recycling kids left and right and bringing in friends and trouble from the city. The program is broken. If the Chance program was run differently or sent to EIU or WIU I have no doubts DeKalb and NIU would feel like a totally different place.


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The ignorance about CHANCE program is ridiculous. In order to be one of the 500 students accepted into CHANCE, you have to have recommendations letters, a personal statement, a personal interview from an NIU admin, and take placement tests to show they are motivated and prepared to be in college. Decisions are based on the holistic view of a person rather than a college application and test scores, again around 500 of the many thousands that are referred to the program. Then they are required to go through a full year of counseling and only take 13 credit hours. All things that most students that get into NIU don't have to do. To say it's CHANCE kids is a bit absurd.

In 2016, and you're still afraid of going to school with black people, you might be a racist. Simple as that.


Let me tell you something chief; I am quite familiar with the program and you are right in everything you have said. However, of the 500 they pick, they choose the wrong students. As someone who has closely worked with the program the choices they make are very poor. Very few make it out of the first year. The kids with the best letters and grades don't get in. The program is based on getting troubled kids who have a past a second chance at life. You want more proof? Do me a favor and find someone who works at the Geneva Youth Correctional facility. They'll tell you the truth about the chance program.


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(09-07-2016 07:27 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 07:21 PM)JB04 Wrote:  its not the chance program. It has always been in existence even when enrollment was 25k plus. The reality is we have A LOT of rental properties around campus, and as enrollment dipped (with the rest of IL state schools), those apartments were rented to non students which brought many low income people in the neighborhood. Not that it's a terrible thing, but college kids would rather be around a bunch of other college kids, not mixed in with low income housing and families. Therefore cute little blonde suburban girl wants to go to ISU where all of the other upper middle class B+ students go.

I have lived in the area most of my life life and I am stunned how many kids are running around the very same apartment complexes I used to throw a keg party at.

Therefore, the combination of ISU somehow being the new hot place for white suburban kids to go, coupled with low cost of tuition at out of state schools, and then add a bit smaller number of high school students....its a bad self eating situation. Good luck Dr Baker

I think you definitely hit the nail on the head. Those property owners are going to rent out those units, regardless if they are student demand or not.

Thanks! To further prove my point the DeKalb police dept is doing everything in their power to try to make landlords liable by implementing a mandatory program for property owners...but there Is only so much they can do. If you want to be extreme, but solve the problem, instead of building new dorms they should have purchased and knocked down blighted rental properties. UIC did it.
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Let's see how ISU's attendance is affected if God help them some little suburban white kid(and the shooter the majority of time is) walks into a classroom and shoots kids sitting in their face. Something tells me it won't seem like such a safe place. At NIU it's always the Chance programs fault. You guys never mention that the devil came here!
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(09-07-2016 06:50 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Okay, how about this? Gradually raise the enrollment standards and kick out students who habitually skip classes (i.e., students who are not serious) - no matter what race or nationality they are. With the increased standards and better students, our reputation will improve, and we hopefully will attract more students.

NIU Average High School Class Rank and ACT Score
•High School Class Rank (percentile) for NIU freshmen: 62
•ACT Score for NIU freshmen: 22
•ACT Score for high school graduates (national average): 21

http://www.niu.edu/at-a-glance/fastfacts.shtml
http://illinoisstate.edu/quickfacts/

The bottom line is that NIU needs to attract smarter students. We are recruiting students (white or minorities) that have no business going to a four year university. They drop out after a year then stick around DeKalb for years. The odds for a student with an ACT of 18 making through NIU is very slim.The gene pool in DeKalb is going down fast. Check out the facts of NIU versus ISU. ISU figured it out, NIU has no clue. Some of us have been preaching about this problem for at least 10 years.
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(09-07-2016 05:48 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Step 1 is Illinois getting its head out of its ass. When we have a balanced state budget, and a reliable support level from Springfield, we can go from there....

(09-07-2016 07:21 PM)JB04 Wrote:  its not the chance program. It has always been in existence even when enrollment was 25k plus. The reality is we have A LOT of rental properties around campus, and as enrollment dipped (with the rest of IL state schools), those apartments were rented to non students which brought many low income people in the neighborhood. Not that it's a terrible thing, but college kids would rather be around a bunch of other college kids, not mixed in with low income housing and families. Therefore cute little blonde suburban girl wants to go to ISU where all of the other upper middle class B+ students go.

I have lived in the area most of my life life and I am stunned how many kids are running around the very same apartment complexes I used to throw a keg party at.

Therefore, the combination of ISU somehow being the new hot place for white suburban kids to go, coupled with low cost of tuition at out of state schools, and then add a bit smaller number of high school students....its a bad self eating situation. Good luck Dr Baker

Very good explanation but it doesn't go quite far enough. New properties being built west of Annie Glidden left traditional Greek Row apartments vacant. DeKalb is over 60% rental property now with an equal amount of residents living under the poverty level. Unfortunately that leads to higher crime. It hurts to have a low income housing project adjacent to campus. Factor in a few high profile incidents over the years and now suburban students don't want to come here. The perception of us is shaped by the few high profile incidents. Crime overall is down but no one knows that.

Chance students aren't the problem in my experience. Seems to me they are actually trying. Not sure of the statistics though. There are lots of people moving here claiming to go to Kishwaukee College when in fact they get aid money and never go to class. They are here to party and cause trouble, often committing crime.

I like the idea of raising standards but with the price of out of state schools dropping, many kids are leaving Illinois. Others just go to juco. I like the idea of building up the property to the west of the convo and getting Greek row away from the low income rental property. I also think a conference change will bring a boost to the economy and could help land better students. That will benefit the local economy and bring growth.
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(09-07-2016 03:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 03:19 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  The fall numbers are starting to come out across Illinois and NIU continues to be on the downswing.

NIU: 5.5% decrease to 19K
ISU: 1.1% increase to 21K
SIU: 7.5% decline to 15.9K

http://northernpublicradio.org/post/stat...d-and-ugly
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Where's U of I and Northwestern in all of this?
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Why is enrollment at EIU, SIU and WIU going down?
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(09-07-2016 08:16 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Let's see how ISU's attendance is affected if God help them some little suburban white kid(and the shooter the majority of time is) walks into a classroom and shoots kids sitting in their face. Something tells me it won't seem like such a safe place. At NIU it's always the Chance programs fault. You guys never mention that the devil came here!
99% of high school students today have no clue of the shooting at NIU. Talk to the parents or high school students, they never bring that up. That was 8 years ago (almost a lifetime) to a high school student.
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I've heard that most universities are struggling because the insane pace of rising tuition costs is driving more and more kids to Community College or less expensive online options.
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(09-07-2016 08:37 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 03:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 03:19 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  The fall numbers are starting to come out across Illinois and NIU continues to be on the downswing.

NIU: 5.5% decrease to 19K
ISU: 1.1% increase to 21K
SIU: 7.5% decline to 15.9K

http://northernpublicradio.org/post/stat...d-and-ugly
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Where's U of I and Northwestern in all of this?
10% of U of I first year class are from China. U of I is turning down smart kids from the burbs. China kids pay higher tuition than the burb kids. It is a business you know. The burb kids are going to ISU.
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Blame the Illinois politicians.....the state is broke and it's the same price to send your kid to a school with a better rep out of state like Mizzou, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Wisconsin, etc. Keep voting in Michael Madigan you morons.
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(09-07-2016 08:47 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  I've heard that most universities are struggling because the insane pace of rising tuition costs is driving more and more kids to Community College or less expensive online options.

That is one of several factors, but yes that is part of the battle. Combination of costs, state issues, and local issues. I think our last chance hinges on somehow attracting the hipster to the area (kind of joking but not)
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(09-07-2016 08:35 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:48 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Step 1 is Illinois getting its head out of its ass. When we have a balanced state budget, and a reliable support level from Springfield, we can go from there....

(09-07-2016 07:21 PM)JB04 Wrote:  its not the chance program. It has always been in existence even when enrollment was 25k plus. The reality is we have A LOT of rental properties around campus, and as enrollment dipped (with the rest of IL state schools), those apartments were rented to non students which brought many low income people in the neighborhood. Not that it's a terrible thing, but college kids would rather be around a bunch of other college kids, not mixed in with low income housing and families. Therefore cute little blonde suburban girl wants to go to ISU where all of the other upper middle class B+ students go.

I have lived in the area most of my life life and I am stunned how many kids are running around the very same apartment complexes I used to throw a keg party at.

Therefore, the combination of ISU somehow being the new hot place for white suburban kids to go, coupled with low cost of tuition at out of state schools, and then add a bit smaller number of high school students....its a bad self eating situation. Good luck Dr Baker

Very good explanation but it doesn't go quite far enough. New properties being built west of Annie Glidden left traditional Greek Row apartments vacant. DeKalb is over 60% rental property now with an equal amount of residents living under the poverty level. Unfortunately that leads to higher crime. It hurts to have a low income housing project adjacent to campus. Factor in a few high profile incidents over the years and now suburban students don't want to come here. The perception of us is shaped by the few high profile incidents. Crime overall is down but no one knows that.

Chance students aren't the problem in my experience. Seems to me they are actually trying. Not sure of the statistics though. There are lots of people moving here claiming to go to Kishwaukee College when in fact they get aid money and never go to class. They are here to party and cause trouble, often committing crime.

I like the idea of raising standards but with the price of out of state schools dropping, many kids are leaving Illinois. Others just go to juco. I like the idea of building up the property to the west of the convo and getting Greek row away from the low income rental property. I also think a conference change will bring a boost to the economy and could help land better students. That will benefit the local economy and bring growth.
Moving greek row that way would help bring the greek scene to the game a little better too. Yeah the frats tailgate now, but maybe the university could work to integrate that more into the gameday experience on the east side. Have them take some pride in the team, i mean hell if every frat/sorority kid and their friends on campus went to the game that'd be a good start to filling up Huskie stadium

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(09-07-2016 08:54 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Blame the Illinois politicians.....the state is broke and it's the same price to send your kid to a school with a better rep out of state like Mizzou, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Wisconsin, etc. Keep voting in Michael Madigan you morons.


Madigan got the votes of a mere 9,000 people in the last election. It's just the dumb morons in his district who vote him in. He takes care of the dumb arses in his district while he holds the rest if the state hostage.
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(09-07-2016 09:02 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 08:54 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Blame the Illinois politicians.....the state is broke and it's the same price to send your kid to a school with a better rep out of state like Mizzou, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Wisconsin, etc. Keep voting in Michael Madigan you morons.


Madigan got the votes of a mere 9,000 people in the last election. It's just the dumb morons in his district who vote him in. He takes care of the dumb arses in his district while he holds the rest if the state hostage.

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(09-07-2016 08:35 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:48 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Step 1 is Illinois getting its head out of its ass. When we have a balanced state budget, and a reliable support level from Springfield, we can go from there....

(09-07-2016 07:21 PM)JB04 Wrote:  its not the chance program. It has always been in existence even when enrollment was 25k plus. The reality is we have A LOT of rental properties around campus, and as enrollment dipped (with the rest of IL state schools), those apartments were rented to non students which brought many low income people in the neighborhood. Not that it's a terrible thing, but college kids would rather be around a bunch of other college kids, not mixed in with low income housing and families. Therefore cute little blonde suburban girl wants to go to ISU where all of the other upper middle class B+ students go.

I have lived in the area most of my life life and I am stunned how many kids are running around the very same apartment complexes I used to throw a keg party at.

Therefore, the combination of ISU somehow being the new hot place for white suburban kids to go, coupled with low cost of tuition at out of state schools, and then add a bit smaller number of high school students....its a bad self eating situation. Good luck Dr Baker

Very good explanation but it doesn't go quite far enough. New properties being built west of Annie Glidden left traditional Greek Row apartments vacant. DeKalb is over 60% rental property now with an equal amount of residents living under the poverty level. Unfortunately that leads to higher crime. It hurts to have a low income housing project adjacent to campus. Factor in a few high profile incidents over the years and now suburban students don't want to come here. The perception of us is shaped by the few high profile incidents. Crime overall is down but no one knows that.

Chance students aren't the problem in my experience. Seems to me they are actually trying. Not sure of the statistics though. There are lots of people moving here claiming to go to Kishwaukee College when in fact they get aid money and never go to class. They are here to party and cause trouble, often committing crime.

I like the idea of raising standards but with the price of out of state schools dropping, many kids are leaving Illinois. Others just go to juco. I like the idea of building up the property to the west of the convo and getting Greek row away from the low income rental property. I also think a conference change will bring a boost to the economy and could help land better students. That will benefit the local economy and bring growth.

I was in the initial meeting about this in 2007. It was, to say the least, quite pricey.
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(09-07-2016 06:07 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:59 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  It's been mentioned before, but like it or not, it's the Chance program and its been slowly killing the reputation of NIU for decades. It's been over 10 years since I've been there and I saw some messed up stuff at school that I never saw at other colleges I visited. A lot of kids genuinely feel unsafe. I had multiple friends mugged and robbed on campus and it's a shame bc I love NIU and I hate to see how's it's gotten on campus and it's reputation locally.

It's just the way the program is run. I'm all for giving kids an opportunity to goto college, but there should be some type of interview or screening program first to at least make sure the kids involved in the program are serious about going to school and getting an education. A lot of the kids on the program's never made it a semester and it just kept recycling kids left and right and bringing in friends and trouble from the city. The program is broken. If the Chance program was run differently or sent to EIU or WIU I have no doubts DeKalb and NIU would feel like a totally different place.


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The ignorance about CHANCE program is ridiculous. In order to be one of the 500 students accepted into CHANCE, you have to have recommendations letters, a personal statement, a personal interview from an NIU admin, and take placement tests to show they are motivated and prepared to be in college. Decisions are based on the holistic view of a person rather than a college application and test scores, again around 500 of the many thousands that are referred to the program. Then they are required to go through a full year of counseling and only take 13 credit hours. All things that most students that get into NIU don't have to do. To say it's CHANCE kids is a bit absurd.

In 2016, and you're still afraid of going to school with black people, you might be a racist. Simple as that.


Let me tell you something chief; I am quite familiar with the program and you are right in everything you have said. However, of the 500 they pick, they choose the wrong students. As someone who has closely worked with the program the choices they make are very poor. Very few make it out of the first year. The kids with the best letters and grades don't get in. The program is based on getting troubled kids who have a past a second chance at life. You want more proof? Do me a favor and find someone who works at the Geneva Youth Correctional facility. They'll tell you the truth about the chance program.


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Yeah... I'll get right on that, "Chief"! Lmao, where did you come from, are you Chaz2b?

My wife works in higher ed. and her last job was first year experiences for a program similar to NIU's CHANCE at SIUC. Also a very close friend of ours is currently an admissions counselor at NIU and guess what, came into NIU as an undergrad through CHANCE. If i wasn't concerned about anonymity, I would be more that happy to share that individuals story, which in a inspiring one, like many that made it through.

My response was to someone with an obvious ignorance about the program and calling the underlying racist viewpoint to the the topic.
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(09-07-2016 08:47 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  I've heard that most universities are struggling because the insane pace of rising tuition costs is driving more and more kids to Community College or less expensive online options.

Honestly public schools are its low point, in terms of overall student perception. Many administrators and teaching faculty want nothing to do with or move away. Let's pray that it gets better soon.
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