(09-08-2016 02:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The worst thing about this loss for the ACC is the fact that later on this season UVA is going to beat several teams in conference play. #goacc

Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

I just have one thing to add, Fire Brian VanGorder. That is all.

(09-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 02:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The worst thing about this loss for the ACC is the fact that later on this season UVA is going to beat several teams in conference play. #goacc

Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

(09-08-2016 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 02:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The worst thing about this loss for the ACC is the fact that later on this season UVA is going to beat several teams in conference play. #goacc

Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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(09-08-2016 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 02:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The worst thing about this loss for the ACC is the fact that later on this season UVA is going to beat several teams in conference play. #goacc

Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 12:56 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 10:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  So did William & Mary and Colgate, the two teams that NC State and Syracuse beat. In fact, Colgate returned 18 starters from last year that went deep into the fcs playoffs last season. Not piling on UVA, but I think it has more to do with the players getting used to a new system with a new coach. Theres some talent on that team.

Do you follow FCS football? Richmond is a much different animal at that level than either of the two you stated. W&M is solid but not really a "title contender". Richmond is ranked #2 right now and I think W&M is 13?

No I dont follow fcs at all, unless its a team that Syracuse plays, which is not much. But I do know that Colgate was preseason ranked #16 and went deeper into the playoffs last season than William and Mary. Both teams ended up with the same record, but Colgate returned 18 starters from that team. Not sure how many starters return from Milliam and Mary. Pretty sure that Colgate is very good at that level this year.

Colgate is decent but IMO got lucky in the playoffs last year. They actually got farther than W&M but they also didn't meet Richmond in the Playoffs. Im not making an excuse for UVA but saying Richmond is comparable to those two would be like saying Clemson and FSU are the same as TCU and Texas A&M.

I wouldnt go that far, just looking at Colgate (634-478) compared to Richmond, all time, (533-635) Colgate has been much better. Looking at the last 5 years the two teams have both won 36 games. The last 10 years, Richmond won 83 games and a championship while, Colgate has only won 67. But since 2000 Colgate has won 120 games while Richmond has won 100 games. You dont want to go any further than that as its not pretty for Richmond. Today, I give the edge to Richmond, but I wouldt say the difference is as large as you say. We will know by the end of the season as to which team is better.

I completely understand that you don't follow fcs now lol. Take Colgate and place them into the CAA and they are not a playoff team. Sure we can look at all time records but that has little emphasis on today/recent success. I understand you are trying to make the win sound better than what it is but Colgate isn't a threat in FCS ball. They will make the playoff and be out in the first two rounds. Bank on it

It's adorable. Virginia got their very own Bill Lewis.

(09-08-2016 08:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 12:56 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Do you follow FCS football? Richmond is a much different animal at that level than either of the two you stated. W&M is solid but not really a "title contender". Richmond is ranked #2 right now and I think W&M is 13?

No I dont follow fcs at all, unless its a team that Syracuse plays, which is not much. But I do know that Colgate was preseason ranked #16 and went deeper into the playoffs last season than William and Mary. Both teams ended up with the same record, but Colgate returned 18 starters from that team. Not sure how many starters return from Milliam and Mary. Pretty sure that Colgate is very good at that level this year.

Colgate is decent but IMO got lucky in the playoffs last year. They actually got farther than W&M but they also didn't meet Richmond in the Playoffs. Im not making an excuse for UVA but saying Richmond is comparable to those two would be like saying Clemson and FSU are the same as TCU and Texas A&M.

I wouldnt go that far, just looking at Colgate (634-478) compared to Richmond, all time, (533-635) Colgate has been much better. Looking at the last 5 years the two teams have both won 36 games. The last 10 years, Richmond won 83 games and a championship while, Colgate has only won 67. But since 2000 Colgate has won 120 games while Richmond has won 100 games. You dont want to go any further than that as its not pretty for Richmond. Today, I give the edge to Richmond, but I wouldt say the difference is as large as you say. We will know by the end of the season as to which team is better.

I completely understand that you don't follow fcs now lol. Take Colgate and place them into the CAA and they are not a playoff team. Sure we can look at all time records but that has little emphasis on today/recent success. I understand you are trying to make the win sound better than what it is but Colgate isn't a threat in FCS ball. They will make the playoff and be out in the first two rounds. Bank on it

Without a doubt. Huge difference between the CAA and the Patriot League.

(09-08-2016 08:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 12:56 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Do you follow FCS football? Richmond is a much different animal at that level than either of the two you stated. W&M is solid but not really a "title contender". Richmond is ranked #2 right now and I think W&M is 13?

No I dont follow fcs at all, unless its a team that Syracuse plays, which is not much. But I do know that Colgate was preseason ranked #16 and went deeper into the playoffs last season than William and Mary. Both teams ended up with the same record, but Colgate returned 18 starters from that team. Not sure how many starters return from Milliam and Mary. Pretty sure that Colgate is very good at that level this year.

Colgate is decent but IMO got lucky in the playoffs last year. They actually got farther than W&M but they also didn't meet Richmond in the Playoffs. Im not making an excuse for UVA but saying Richmond is comparable to those two would be like saying Clemson and FSU are the same as TCU and Texas A&M.

I wouldnt go that far, just looking at Colgate (634-478) compared to Richmond, all time, (533-635) Colgate has been much better. Looking at the last 5 years the two teams have both won 36 games. The last 10 years, Richmond won 83 games and a championship while, Colgate has only won 67. But since 2000 Colgate has won 120 games while Richmond has won 100 games. You dont want to go any further than that as its not pretty for Richmond. Today, I give the edge to Richmond, but I wouldt say the difference is as large as you say. We will know by the end of the season as to which team is better.

I completely understand that you don't follow fcs now lol. Take Colgate and place them into the CAA and they are not a playoff team. Sure we can look at all time records but that has little emphasis on today/recent success. I understand you are trying to make the win sound better than what it is but Colgate isn't a threat in FCS ball. They will make the playoff and be out in the first two rounds. Bank on it

You mean like last year when they made it all the way to the playoff quarterfinals, beating 2 teams from the great CAA in the process? With 18 returning starters coming back, I think they can actually do even better. Im not trying to make them out to be better than they are. I just think they are better than what you give them credit for. Time will tell, but I dont care enough about it to further debate it with you.

An interesting fact about the UVA staff. They don't work on Sundays, they don't work past 6:30 during the week and they take a 2 hour break during the day. Apparently that works when you don't have to recruit much as BYU pretty much got all the best Mormon players. And when all your players are 24 years old after going on missions for 4 years after high school. But UVA needs to recruit there ass off and be well coached up. Thats going to be hard to do working the hours they do.

(09-08-2016 06:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 02:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The worst thing about this loss for the ACC is the fact that later on this season UVA is going to beat several teams in conference play. #goacc

Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

(09-09-2016 09:43 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 06:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Fortunately, so will Mississippi State and Northwestern.

That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

Go ahead and show where Mississippi State was predicted to be a contender this year. Every preseason SEC prediction I have seen had Mississippi State picked last in the SEC West. Maybe your definition of contender is far more liberal than mine.

And no FBS loss is as bad as a FCS loss in either perception or reality.

(09-09-2016 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 09:43 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 06:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That might be of solace if A. Miss State and Northwestern got drilled by FCS teams and B. I were concerned about other conferences sinking to the level of the ACC but since the two examples you used didn't get driller nor lost to FCS teams and I prefer that the ACC raise itself up instead of waiting on the crowd to fall back to us it's not.

Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

Go ahead and show where Mississippi State was predicted to be a contender this year. Every preseason SEC prediction I have seen had Mississippi State picked last in the SEC West. Maybe your definition of contender is far more liberal than mine.

And no FBS loss is as bad as a FCS loss in either perception or reality.

Miss St is down this year but they have been top 25 over the last few years. Certainly not comparable to Virginia. Even being down they are expected to make a bowl, Virginia isn't. Which has been talked about more in the media this past week? S Alabama upset is the biggest upset in the FPI over the last 5 seasons. They had a 2.3 % chance to win.

UVA at Oregon should be quite UGLY.
Good thing it's after the kids are in bed.

(09-08-2016 09:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's adorable. Virginia got their very own Bill Lewis.

You actually uttered the name that is supposed to never be mentioned on these here interwebs..?

Whoa...

(09-09-2016 11:07 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 09:43 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 06:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Do I really want UVA football to rise? Um, ah, err well...

Isn't it OK for every conference to have one really bad team?

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Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

Go ahead and show where Mississippi State was predicted to be a contender this year. Every preseason SEC prediction I have seen had Mississippi State picked last in the SEC West. Maybe your definition of contender is far more liberal than mine.

And no FBS loss is as bad as a FCS loss in either perception or reality.

Miss St is down this year but they have been top 25 over the last few years. Certainly not comparable to Virginia. Even being down they are expected to make a bowl, Virginia isn't. Which has been talked about more in the media this past week? S Alabama upset is the biggest upset in the FPI over the last 5 seasons. They had a 2.3 % chance to win.

It doesn't matter what they did in the past they were predicted last in the SEC West THIS YEAR thus they aren't a contender. Unless in your version of reality being picked 7th in a 7 team race constitutes being a contender.

And again, no FBS loss is as bad as losing to a FCS team. The 17 scholarship difference ensures that.

(09-09-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:07 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 09:43 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 06:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Sure.

Our problem is we have far more than one.

Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

Go ahead and show where Mississippi State was predicted to be a contender this year. Every preseason SEC prediction I have seen had Mississippi State picked last in the SEC West. Maybe your definition of contender is far more liberal than mine.

And no FBS loss is as bad as a FCS loss in either perception or reality.

Miss St is down this year but they have been top 25 over the last few years. Certainly not comparable to Virginia. Even being down they are expected to make a bowl, Virginia isn't. Which has been talked about more in the media this past week? S Alabama upset is the biggest upset in the FPI over the last 5 seasons. They had a 2.3 % chance to win.

It doesn't matter what they did in the past they were predicted last in the SEC West THIS YEAR thus they aren't a contender. Unless in your version of reality being picked 7th in a 7 team race constitutes being a contender.

And again, no FBS loss is as bad as losing to a FCS team. The 17 scholarship difference ensures that.

Typically yes but not absolutely, depends on the matchup. In this case I would say that the bad press that Miss St has gotten for losing trumps the (near) zero press that Virginia has gotten for theirs. Miss St was expected to win while no one pays attention to Virginia football nationally. Clearly the ACC is sitting among the top after week 1, let's hope we stay there.

(09-09-2016 11:48 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:07 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 09:43 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Every conference has more than one. Virginia, a cellar dweller, loss isn't nearly as bad as Miss States, a contender, loss to South Alabama. The ACC actually performed well in week 1. With two teams ranked in the top 3 & several others in the top 25 I think it's safe to say that the ACC has risen & still rising while the mighty SEC is falling. The national narrative for week 1 has been the SEC's week showing & not Virginia's loss. Let's see how the season unfolds.

Go ahead and show where Mississippi State was predicted to be a contender this year. Every preseason SEC prediction I have seen had Mississippi State picked last in the SEC West. Maybe your definition of contender is far more liberal than mine.

And no FBS loss is as bad as a FCS loss in either perception or reality.

Miss St is down this year but they have been top 25 over the last few years. Certainly not comparable to Virginia. Even being down they are expected to make a bowl, Virginia isn't. Which has been talked about more in the media this past week? S Alabama upset is the biggest upset in the FPI over the last 5 seasons. They had a 2.3 % chance to win.

It doesn't matter what they did in the past they were predicted last in the SEC West THIS YEAR thus they aren't a contender. Unless in your version of reality being picked 7th in a 7 team race constitutes being a contender.

And again, no FBS loss is as bad as losing to a FCS team. The 17 scholarship difference ensures that.

Typically yes but not absolutely, depends on the matchup. In this case I would say that the bad press that Miss St has gotten for losing trumps the (near) zero press that Virginia has gotten for theirs. Miss St was expected to win while no one pays attention to Virginia football nationally. Clearly the ACC is sitting among the top after week 1, let's hope we stay there.

Bro, the UVA loss was wayyyyyyyy worse than a loss to the SBC. You can come up with various scenarios where it is worse but ask 1k fans and 990 of them say losing to any fcs team.

(09-08-2016 09:34 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 08:51 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  No I dont follow fcs at all, unless its a team that Syracuse plays, which is not much. But I do know that Colgate was preseason ranked #16 and went deeper into the playoffs last season than William and Mary. Both teams ended up with the same record, but Colgate returned 18 starters from that team. Not sure how many starters return from Milliam and Mary. Pretty sure that Colgate is very good at that level this year.

Colgate is decent but IMO got lucky in the playoffs last year. They actually got farther than W&M but they also didn't meet Richmond in the Playoffs. Im not making an excuse for UVA but saying Richmond is comparable to those two would be like saying Clemson and FSU are the same as TCU and Texas A&M.

I wouldnt go that far, just looking at Colgate (634-478) compared to Richmond, all time, (533-635) Colgate has been much better. Looking at the last 5 years the two teams have both won 36 games. The last 10 years, Richmond won 83 games and a championship while, Colgate has only won 67. But since 2000 Colgate has won 120 games while Richmond has won 100 games. You dont want to go any further than that as its not pretty for Richmond. Today, I give the edge to Richmond, but I wouldt say the difference is as large as you say. We will know by the end of the season as to which team is better.

I completely understand that you don't follow fcs now lol. Take Colgate and place them into the CAA and they are not a playoff team. Sure we can look at all time records but that has little emphasis on today/recent success. I understand you are trying to make the win sound better than what it is but Colgate isn't a threat in FCS ball. They will make the playoff and be out in the first two rounds. Bank on it

You mean like last year when they made it all the way to the playoff quarterfinals, beating 2 teams from the great CAA in the process? With 18 returning starters coming back, I think they can actually do even better. Im not trying to make them out to be better than they are. I just think they are better than what you give them credit for. Time will tell, but I dont care enough about it to further debate it with you.

This guy lmao

Couldnt happen to a nicer guy. Cheers bronco