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RE: Chicago Police Chief blames lack of tough gun laws for high murder rate.
(09-07-2016 02:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  when have I ever questioned min gun sentencing laws?

I never said you did.

I merely noticed how quickly you turned from 'what he said' to 'what you think'. It's also somewhat implicit in the OP, which isn't really about a 'lack of tough gun laws', but a lack of tough sentencing for those existing gun laws.

The fact is that we have many repeat offenders on gun crimes. That's specifically what these guys are talking about. How does 'stiffer background checks' or 'mental health screening' stop that guy from repeating his offense? He's already been tried and convicted and sentenced. If he has mental health issues, THAT was the time to discover and address them. If he can get arrested for a gun crime and then still pass a background check (unless we make it tougher) then I don't know what a background check is for.

The PROBLEM he speaks about is an inability to stop REPEAT offenders.

Since its in Chicago, Ill... I don't see how you can blame ANY policies except those being passed in Chicago and Illinois... which aren't particularly heavily influenced by the gun toting right wing NRA.

SO rather than go with the opinions/goals of EITHER party... lets go with those we ALL seem to agree on.

Criminals should not have guns. If they do, they should be punished severely to discourage them from having them next time (repeating)


BTW, though I didn't catch it the first time, I think MLK would have used that quip just as Duke did. It's the content of people's character by which they should be judged... not their race or the fact that they own a gun.
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RE: Chicago Police Chief blames lack of tough gun laws for high murder rate.
(09-07-2016 02:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

honestly: I think the sentencing is only part of why it works for LA/NY but not chicago. the other part is the fact that stricter gun laws make it harder to obtain an illegal gun in the immediate vicinity of those cities is a major factor on top of the current state of gang violence.

That's fine and that's your opinion... but that isn't what the Chicago Police Chief said... and I'm not sure it's supported by the facts. I don't think background checks or gun show laws or whatever else are 'less' in NY or LA than Chi.

What you're doing is taking what he said (which we ALL agree with, and don't understand why we aren't taking those steps) and attempting to link it to something he didn't say, and we don't all agree with, and it's therefore obvious why we aren't taking those steps.

You guys don't seem to WANT to solve the problem, even when your own side is telling you how.

(09-07-2016 02:25 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and you wonder why people think you are racist.

What does that comment have to do with Race?

Duke, is the 13% a reference to the black population? Or merely a statistic?

it's not racist to highlight the fact that blacks commit more crimes. it is racist to use that to make the claim that is the case not because of demographics but because black people are somehow inferior.

plus given this posters history it's hard to say his MLK quip wasn't intent with malice.

Well, I don't see that he said they were somehow inferior. Those who commit murder with guns ARE inferior to the rest of us, but that has to do with being murderers, not being black.

After I asked, I googled the claim, and it DOES seem to imply that 'the 13%' (the race) are responsible... which is BS.

The character of the criminals themselves... not the race OR the object are the problems.

Duke, if you meant 'the race' has character issues, then I'm calling you out on that. If you were merely spouting a statistic but talking about the character of the CRIMINALS, you could/should say that more clearly.

Duke has said some incredibly racist stuff in the past and he has such a bad track record I'm assuming that is what he said until he says otherwise and says so very clearly.

YOU continuing to make these asinine charges don't make 'em so.

The problem continues to be you reading into posts what ain't there.
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(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

Exactly. So the problem is the "right" is soft on crime. And ergo criminals. 03-lmfao

Riiiiiiiight.

Enforce the damn laws we have. No need to pass more simply to f#$% with people who DON'T BREAK THE LAWS WE HAVE.

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This is not racial it is fact. I hear weekly on cable news.

Call me out or not. Criminals break laws,.. True or false. Committing murder is against the law last time I checked.
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John wants criminals to have lax sentences and law abiding citizens to have stricter gun laws. That's all I get from his crap in this thread.
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john is simply proving that the police chief is a big part of the problem. honestly, the problem with chicago, not to mention many other major American cities that are governed by liberals, is so severe and so intractable that the only solution may be to just Chernobyl the whole place; Declare the entire city uninhabitable, and force relocate the entire population for the sake of their own health and safety.
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(09-08-2016 12:09 AM)EagleX Wrote:  john is simply proving that the police chief is a big part of the problem. honestly, the problem with chicago, not to mention many other major American cities that are governed by liberals, is so severe and so intractable that the only solution may be to just Chernobyl the whole place; Declare the entire city uninhabitable, and force relocate the entire population for the sake of their own health and safety.

Just so long as we relocate them to places like New York, Massachusetts, and California. Not that I am worried about violence because the evidence shows that while they shoot a lot they evidently went to the Stormtrooper Institute of Marksmanship so they'll be outgunned fairly quick by the good ol' boys. It's just the fact that we have enough Yankees down here as it is who claim they moved to escape being taxed to death but keep pushing for more and more government programs. We don't need nor want any more.
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(09-07-2016 02:35 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I wonder if the Chicago Police Chief blames lack of tough drug laws for high drug crime rates.

Was the Murder rate even remotely as high when Mayor Daley was in charge or did it flourish under the spell of Mayor Rahm Emanuel, A Clinton/Obama operative ?
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(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?
Depends on the crime. Had a young black man around here, married, no record, got put away for attending his kid's play with a gun. He had a permit, was unaware he was breaking a law, and clearly was not intending to commit violence. Yet, he is in prison. That is what zero tolerance and mandatory sentencing can get you.

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Gangs are definitely not part of the problem.
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(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.


I'm sorry, are you under the impression that math is racist? Race really has nothing to do with this - Duke did somewhat of a poor job drawing the distinction between the individual and tool, but it isn't racist nor is it technically incorrect. A small portion of the 13% are responsible for 50% of the murders in this country.
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(09-07-2016 09:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  John wants criminals to have lax sentences and law abiding citizens to have stricter gun laws. That's all I get from his crap in this thread.

pretty much
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Guns don't have rights,.. US Cirizens do !
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(09-08-2016 05:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?
Depends on the crime. Had a young black man around here, married, no record, got put away for attending his kid's play with a gun. He had a permit, was unaware he was breaking a law, and clearly was not intending to commit violence. Yet, he is in prison. That is what zero tolerance and mandatory sentencing can get you.

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I get your point, but that's not what I consider a gun crime.

That's one of those new crimes created by 'the left' (on the issue, many dems are actually 'not left' on the issue) that CREATES a fictitious crime out of simply owning or possessing something that is otherwise perfectly legal. Don't get me wrong... I think there are all sorts of reasons to not have guns in certain places... that's just not a 'gun crime'.

These are precisely the sort of laws we need fewer of, not more of.
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Ever -- where did this offense take place, school property?
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