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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...
09-07-2016 09:36 AM
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 09:33 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.
Logic, on here, you've come to the wrong place.

Because this year he was losing his two leading scorers and had no one of note coming in to replace them outside of just promoting the next guys in line.

He knows that Kansas will always be Kansas, that WVU will be as good, if not better this year, that TCU adding Jamie Dixon won't help him, that Texas is going to be better under Shaka, that KSU returns their top 9 players or something crazy like that, etc etc.
09-07-2016 09:39 AM
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...

There is a difference between can't and not caring.

Recruiting is sales, Pastner is a salesman, Tubby not so much. Pastner would make a fortune in insurance.

Sales is telling a person what they want to hear. Tubby is selling to 17 year olds, what do you think he is telling them? What is Pastner?

I would bet Tubby doesn't tell them what they want to hear. That would be my guess as to why he's never been a good recruiter.
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 09:39 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:33 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.
Logic, on here, you've come to the wrong place.

Because this year he was losing his two leading scorers and had no one of note coming in to replace them outside of just promoting the next guys in line.

He knows that Kansas will always be Kansas, that WVU will be as good, if not better this year, that TCU adding Jamie Dixon won't help him, that Texas is going to be better under Shaka, that KSU returns their top 9 players or something crazy like that, etc etc.
He figured it would be easier to hand off the Memphis job to Saul than the TT job I guess.
09-07-2016 11:55 AM
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 11:49 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...

There is a difference between can't and not caring.

Recruiting is sales, Pastner is a salesman, Tubby not so much. Pastner would make a fortune in insurance.

Sales is telling a person what they want to hear. Tubby is selling to 17 year olds, what do you think he is telling them? What is Pastner?

I would bet Tubby doesn't tell them what they want to hear. That would be my guess as to why he's never been a good recruiter.

Well, then the million dollar staff he brought with him should have done more than flip their own 2*, grab a Coppin State grad transfer, and wheel in a guy who has been injured for four years--and leave four scholarships on the table.

Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

Please, if ANYONE can write with a straight face that this staff's recruiting has been even AVERAGE, please explain why or how.
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09-07-2016 12:01 PM
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 11:49 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...

There is a difference between can't and not caring.

Recruiting is sales, Pastner is a salesman, Tubby not so much. Pastner would make a fortune in insurance.

Sales is telling a person what they want to hear. Tubby is selling to 17 year olds, what do you think he is telling them? What is Pastner?

I would bet Tubby doesn't tell them what they want to hear. That would be my guess as to why he's never been a good recruiter.

Well, then the million dollar staff he brought with him should have done more than flip their own 2*, grab a Coppin State grad transfer, and wheel in a guy who has been injured for four years.

Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

Lmao
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

So in your opinion, Hoopdreams knows more about recruiting than Tubby Smith and his entire staff? OK, thanks for the input.
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
Though I haven’t really looked into why, Tubby has never been a top recruiter. He has landed some very good classes but he does not do it consistently.

We discussed this b4 he was hired here so no one should be shocked.
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 01:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

So in your opinion, Hoopdreams knows more about recruiting than Tubby Smith and his entire staff? OK, thanks for the input.
Maybe he did follow Poop's list, maybe he did recruit those players. Maybe he just doesn't have any salesman in him.

He may even have a little disdain for the people who do?
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 02:01 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Though I haven’t really looked into why, Tubby has never been a top recruiter. He has landed some very good classes but he does not do it consistently.

We discussed this b4 he was hired here so no one should be shocked.

I figure he just wants to show off and win with nothing. 02-13-banana
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