then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

I thought that was already understood. The G5 conferences get 1 representative in either the Playoff or other access bowl slots

(09-06-2016 12:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

Was there ever a question about that?

(09-06-2016 12:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

Was there ever a question about that?

I guess maybe some did, because if a P5 conference champ makes the playoff, their conference is still guaranteed another team in a contract game, so long as said game is not also a semi-final host. That is where I could see there might be confusion.

OK, so they are not guaranteed, but can they still be selected as an At Large to Cotton Bowl.

For example. Houston goes 12-0 and is ranked #1 in final poll. USF goes 12-0 and is ranked #3 in final poll. They play in AAC champ game and winner goes to playoffs. Loser drops only to say, #5.

Can the #5 ranked team, which happens to be AAC runner up, be chosen for Cotton Bowl. I know it is not guaranteed, but can it happen.

(09-06-2016 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  OK, so they are not guaranteed, but can they still be selected as an At Large to Cotton Bowl.

For example. Houston goes 12-0 and is ranked #1 in final poll. USF goes 12-0 and is ranked #3 in final poll. They play in AAC champ game and winner goes to playoffs. Loser drops only to say, #5.

Can the #5 ranked team, which happens to be AAC runner up, be chosen for Cotton Bowl. I know it is not guaranteed, but can it happen.

not only can it happen, but it must happen by rule.

OK, so that was my question, is the G5 blocked from attaining more than one NY6 bowl bid. And apparently, the answer is no.

(09-06-2016 12:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  OK, so they are not guaranteed, but can they still be selected as an At Large to Cotton Bowl.

For example. Houston goes 12-0 and is ranked #1 in final poll. USF goes 12-0 and is ranked #3 in final poll. They play in AAC champ game and winner goes to playoffs. Loser drops only to say, #5.

Can the #5 ranked team, which happens to be AAC runner up, be chosen for Cotton Bowl. I know it is not guaranteed, but can it happen.

not only can it happen, but it must happen by rule.

I don't have the rule in front of me but doesn't it say that the highest ranked (by the committee) G5 Champion gets the nod, not any runner up no matter the ranking? I don't think it precludes a NY 6 bowl from choosing one as an at large though.

(09-06-2016 01:05 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  OK, so they are not guaranteed, but can they still be selected as an At Large to Cotton Bowl.

For example. Houston goes 12-0 and is ranked #1 in final poll. USF goes 12-0 and is ranked #3 in final poll. They play in AAC champ game and winner goes to playoffs. Loser drops only to say, #5.

Can the #5 ranked team, which happens to be AAC runner up, be chosen for Cotton Bowl. I know it is not guaranteed, but can it happen.

not only can it happen, but it must happen by rule.

I don't have the rule in front of me but doesn't it say that the highest ranked (by the committee) G5 Champion gets the nod, not any runner up no matter the ranking? I don't think it precludes a NY 6 bowl from choosing one as an at large though.

The NY 6 bowls don't do the choosing. They are chosen for them by the committee. So in this scenario, if USF was ranked #5 they would be one of the 2 highest at large teams, and thus, must go to the Cotton Bowl.

I think the point here is that the G5 auto bid would go to the team that made the playoff (I think it's safe to assume that they would be a conference champ). The next best champion isn't guaranteed a spot just because they are a G5 champion. They would only get in by virtue of meeting some other threshold (like a Top 6 ranking, for example).

You can argue that the chances of two G5 schools in the same year finishing so highly ranked are slim. But the question was whether a lower ranked G5 champion would get an auto bid if a higher ranked G5 champion was in top four.

So no auto bid, but like 2009 the possibility of two G5s if both undefeated.

(09-06-2016 12:38 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

Was there ever a question about that?

I guess maybe some did, because if a P5 conference champ makes the playoff, their conference is still guaranteed another team in a contract game, so long as said game is not also a semi-final host. That is where I could see there might be confusion.

LOL, I remember some long threads debating a similar question. IS a P5 conference automatically get a 2nd team in a committee bowls if it's champion is in the playoffs, and it's normal contract bowl is one of the semi-finals playoff games that year?

In other words, for example does the Big Ten automatically get a 2nd team in a committee bowl if it's champion is in the playoffs and the Rose Bowl is one of the playoff games that year?

I believe the final answer was no, but it was debated for a long time here, so it's not really obvious.

(09-06-2016 12:20 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I thought that was already understood. The G5 conferences get 1 representative in either the Playoff or other access bowl slots

Unless it is a school called Boise State. They can't ignore the fact that if both Houston and Boise State go unbeaten in their conferences and finish inside the top 5. We could see another Boise State/TCU like matchup. Boise State might be the only team outside of the P5 conferences that Bowl people would look heavily to invite. They do draw good viewership in the Fiesta Bowl in the past.

There are only a few G5 that bowl people may overlook. Boise State, Houston, BYU, NAVY, ARMY, Air Force and UCF. Not sure the military schools will be in the running this year. UCF is under 1st year new head coach. BYU is rebuilding with a new head coach. Remember, Boise and BYU both have P5 schools on their dockets as well this year. Navy does have Notre Dame.

(09-06-2016 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 01:05 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  OK, so they are not guaranteed, but can they still be selected as an At Large to Cotton Bowl.

For example. Houston goes 12-0 and is ranked #1 in final poll. USF goes 12-0 and is ranked #3 in final poll. They play in AAC champ game and winner goes to playoffs. Loser drops only to say, #5.

Can the #5 ranked team, which happens to be AAC runner up, be chosen for Cotton Bowl. I know it is not guaranteed, but can it happen.

not only can it happen, but it must happen by rule.

I don't have the rule in front of me but doesn't it say that the highest ranked (by the committee) G5 Champion gets the nod, not any runner up no matter the ranking? I don't think it precludes a NY 6 bowl from choosing one as an at large though.

The NY 6 bowls don't do the choosing. They are chosen for them by the committee. So in this scenario, if USF was ranked #5 they would be one of the 2 highest at large teams, and thus, must go to the Cotton Bowl.

The question is if Boise State goes 13-0, and finish 4th in the poll. How are they gonna choose between Houston, Boise State and USF? The P5 is gonna paint themselves in a corner if this does happen.

(09-06-2016 02:16 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:38 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

Was there ever a question about that?

I guess maybe some did, because if a P5 conference champ makes the playoff, their conference is still guaranteed another team in a contract game, so long as said game is not also a semi-final host. That is where I could see there might be confusion.

LOL, I remember some long threads debating a similar question. IS a P5 conference automatically get a 2nd team in a committee bowls if it's champion is in the playoffs, and it's normal contract bowl is one of the semi-finals playoff games that year?

In other words, for example does the Big Ten automatically get a 2nd team in a committee bowl if it's champion is in the playoffs and the Rose Bowl is one of the playoff games that year?

I believe the final answer was no, but it was debated for a long time here, so it's not really obvious.

the answer is no.

The only way I can see it is if Houston goes undefeated and a household name like Boise State goes undefeated as well. Houston goes to the playoffs and Boise to a NY6 Bowl. Other than that scenario, I don't think it could happen.

(09-06-2016 02:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:20 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I thought that was already understood. The G5 conferences get 1 representative in either the Playoff or other access bowl slots

Unless it is a school called Boise State. They can't ignore the fact that if both Houston and Boise State go unbeaten in their conferences and finish inside the top 5. We could see another Boise State/TCU like matchup. Boise State might be the only team outside of the P5 conferences that Bowl people would look heavily to invite. They do draw good viewership in the Fiesta Bowl in the past.

There are only a few G5 that bowl people may overlook. Boise State, Houston, BYU, NAVY, ARMY, Air Force and UCF. Not sure the military schools will be in the running this year. UCF is under 1st year new head coach. BYU is rebuilding with a new head coach. Remember, Boise and BYU both have P5 schools on their dockets as well this year. Navy does have Notre Dame.

just a quick question, your profile says you are an Arky state fan yet all you EVER talk about is Boise. What's the back story?

Edit: nevermind. I now see its Arky Tech, whatever that is.

(09-06-2016 03:40 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 02:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:20 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I thought that was already understood. The G5 conferences get 1 representative in either the Playoff or other access bowl slots

Unless it is a school called Boise State. They can't ignore the fact that if both Houston and Boise State go unbeaten in their conferences and finish inside the top 5. We could see another Boise State/TCU like matchup. Boise State might be the only team outside of the P5 conferences that Bowl people would look heavily to invite. They do draw good viewership in the Fiesta Bowl in the past.

There are only a few G5 that bowl people may overlook. Boise State, Houston, BYU, NAVY, ARMY, Air Force and UCF. Not sure the military schools will be in the running this year. UCF is under 1st year new head coach. BYU is rebuilding with a new head coach. Remember, Boise and BYU both have P5 schools on their dockets as well this year. Navy does have Notre Dame.

just a quick question, your profile says you are an Arky state fan yet all you EVER talk about is Boise. What's the back story?

Edit: nevermind. I now see its Arky Tech, whatever that is.

I was just going to ask the same thing...........

(09-06-2016 12:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 12:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  then next best G5 is NOT guaranteed a spot in a NY6 game.

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...5558276096

Was there ever a question about that?

There is always a question about everything on here.
Cheers!

How much whining would we hear from the P5's if UH made the playoff and Boise a NY6 bowl? Might be fun to watch.