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(09-06-2016 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Complete non-starter.

1) USA would have to be no longer in the Sun Belt for this to even be possible. USA would block and would be foolish not to.
2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.
3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?
4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.
2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.
3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance
4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.
5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.

---

UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

Nicely laid out.
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(09-07-2016 09:10 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  UWF sounds like a nice add but UWG or UNA may be better - what do you think FJ?

How about Converse College, while you're at it?
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Sources within IUPUI say they're considering a move to the Sun Belt. They would be a fantastic addition.

(I bet most of you have to google search who IUPUI is...)
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(09-07-2016 09:52 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:10 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  UWF sounds like a nice add but UWG or UNA may be better - what do you think FJ?

How about Converse College, while you're at it?



I grew up right down the street from that place.

You would have no Title IX worries there.
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(09-07-2016 09:57 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Sources within IUPUI say they're considering a move to the Sun Belt. They would be a fantastic addition.

(I bet most of you have to google search who IUPUI is...)

We know about our fellow Jaguars.
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(09-07-2016 09:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:57 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Sources within IUPUI say they're considering a move to the Sun Belt. They would be a fantastic addition.

(I bet most of you have to google search who IUPUI is...)

We know about our fellow Jaguars.

There you go. Natural rivalry. This is a slam dunk for the Sun Belt.
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Not to say that UWF won't be a good add in 10 years, but doesn't it take 5 years to transition from D2 to D1??
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(09-07-2016 11:14 AM)cmaxwellgsu Wrote:  Not to say that UWF won't be a good add in 10 years, but doesn't it take 5 years to transition from D2 to D1??

Yes
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(09-06-2016 10:27 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Complete non-starter.

1) USA is no longer in the Sun Belt. USA would block and would be foolish not to.
2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.
3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?
4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.
2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.
3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance
4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.
5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.

---

UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

What say ye, FJ?

Okay here we go.



1) USA would have to be no longer in the Sun Belt for this to even be possible. USA would block and would be foolish not to.

Answer: Unrealistic response. No reason to believe USA feels that way about UWF. Plus USA would not be in the position to leave the conference for CUSA because USM or UAB would have veto power over USA for the same vague reason.

2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.

Answer: See response to 1).

3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?

Answer: D1 basketball is just a title. There is no FCS in basketball. When a school moves into D1 all there sports are considered D1 because they are now in the conference.

4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

Answer: Again, compare the location of the school and its potential for growth. There are three schools in the Southland Conference with higher enrollment than UWF. Most of the Southland schools are bigger than Coastal and in bigger “markets”. This does not mean they are suitable for the Sun Belt.

However, one of the reasons used to justify the invite to Coastal was because it put the Sun Belt in South Carolina. UWF puts the Sun Belt back in Florida.

Finally, FAU, FIU, were a hindrance because of the athletic travel budgets needed for non football sports. This was the main reason the Miami left the Big East because it could not survive although at the time it was in the top five athletic departments in revenues. UWF fits within the the conference footprint and its proximity mitigates travel cost.



UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.

Answer: Already answered. See Post #23. UWF’s Campus Master Plan includes an on campus stadium by 2011. UWF's endowment his higher than half of the current conference members at $55.9 million

2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.

Answer: Your statement by its form controls the outcome by stating that UWF would have to schedule and beat D1 basketball programs on a continuing basis in order to get an invite. Requiring UWF basketball having a winning record against D1 schools in order for them to have a FBS football team is nonsensical and not used previously.

3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance:

Answer: Naturally. You are talking the number of scholarships. Look at the USA vs UWF sports teams. UWF offers the same number of sports than USA. So the difference 23 full scholarships. Will not be a problem.

4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.

Florida State Donald L. Tucker Civic center >> 12,100 capacity

Sun Belt Basketball Arena capacities:

ULL Cajun Dome > 12,068
ASU Convocation Center > 10,475
USA Mitchell Arena > 10,041
App State Holmes Convocation Center > 8,325
ULM Fant–Ewing Coliseum > 7,085
UT Arlington College Park Center > 7,000
Ark Little Rock Jack Stephens Center > 5,600
Troy Trojan Arena > 5,200
UWF Field House > 4,500
Georgia Southern Hanner FieldHouse > 4,325
Georgia State Sports Arena > 3,854
CCU HTC Center > 3,212


Answer: Mute point

5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

On campus dorm rooms:

Troy > 2,428
South Alabama > 2,414
West Florida > 2,046


Answer: This criteria really does not make any sense. There are tons of private dorms and apartments around campus at Florida State and South Alabama. Pensacola is no different.


UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.


Clarification request: What does a creditable D1 facility look like?


USA Eddie Stanky Field > 4,500
ULL Tique Moore Field > 3,755
Georgia Southern Clements Field > 3,000
Ark Little Rock Gary Hogan Field > 2,550
UWF Jim Spooner Field > 2,500
CCU Spring Brooks Stadiium > 2,500
Troy Riddle Pace Field > 2,000
ULM War Hawk Field > 1,800
UTA Clay Gould Ball Park > 1,600
Arkansas State Tomlinson Stadium-Kell Field > 1,200
Georgia State Baseball complex > 1,092
Appalachian State Smith Stadium > 1,000


Answer: Mute Point

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UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

Answer: This does not make sense based upon the answers provided above. Oh, I get it ….you are Syndrome.

[Image: 8b415aca0313c98ebc1aa00a4577e962.jpg]


You did forget one important criteria, political clout:

UWF President Dr. Judith Bense older sister to Allan Bense, former Speaker of the House, State of Florida.

Senator Don Gaetz >> Don Gaetz applies to be UWF president
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(09-07-2016 09:10 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  UWF sounds like a nice add but UWG or UNA may be better - what do you think FJ?

UWG doesn't have sexy factor.

UNA is probably the better addition but location, location, location. 04-cheers
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(09-06-2016 10:46 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:36 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:09 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  He can't be. I just can't accept to believe that.

He is "Dead Serious"..... Everyone who has been around here for a while has seen him beat this drum before. And its been at least for the last 4 years or so. He has also advocated for FGCU and Whicata State.

That does it! That dang Whicata thing is just too much.?

If I remember correctly someone, not I, mentioned them as a pair with Missouri State.
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I don't do memes but a facepalm would be appropriate here.
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(09-07-2016 02:51 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:27 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Complete non-starter.

1) USA is no longer in the Sun Belt. USA would block and would be foolish not to.
2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.
3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?
4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.
2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.
3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance
4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.
5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.

---

UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

What say ye, FJ?

Okay here we go.



1) USA would have to be no longer in the Sun Belt for this to even be possible. USA would block and would be foolish not to.

Answer: Unrealistic response. No reason to believe USA feels that way about UWF. Plus USA would not be in the position to leave the conference for CUSA because USM or UAB would have veto power over USA for the same vague reason.

2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.

Answer: See response to 1).

3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?

Answer: D1 basketball is just a title. There is no FCS in basketball. When a school moves into D1 all there sports are considered D1 because they are now in the conference.

4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

Answer: Again, compare the location of the school and its potential for growth. There are three schools in the Southland Conference with higher enrollment than UWF. Most of the Southland schools are bigger than Coastal and in bigger “markets”. This does not mean they are suitable for the Sun Belt.

However, one of the reasons used to justify the invite to Coastal was because it put the Sun Belt in South Carolina. UWF puts the Sun Belt back in Florida.

Finally, FAU, FIU, were a hindrance because of the athletic travel budgets needed for non football sports. This was the main reason the Miami left the Big East because it could not survive although at the time it was in the top five athletic departments in revenues. UWF fits within the the conference footprint and its proximity mitigates travel cost.



UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.

Answer: Already answered. See Post #23. UWF’s Campus Master Plan includes an on campus stadium by 2011. UWF's endowment his higher than half of the current conference members at $55.9 million

2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.

Answer: Your statement by its form controls the outcome by stating that UWF would have to schedule and beat D1 basketball programs on a continuing basis in order to get an invite. Requiring UWF basketball having a winning record against D1 schools in order for them to have a FBS football team is nonsensical and not used previously.

3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance:

Answer: Naturally. You are talking the number of scholarships. Look at the USA vs UWF sports teams. UWF offers the same number of sports than USA. So the difference 23 full scholarships. Will not be a problem.

4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.

Florida State Donald L. Tucker Civic center >> 12,100 capacity

Sun Belt Basketball Arena capacities:

ULL Cajun Dome > 12,068
ASU Convocation Center > 10,475
USA Mitchell Arena > 10,041
App State Holmes Convocation Center > 8,325
ULM Fant–Ewing Coliseum > 7,085
UT Arlington College Park Center > 7,000
Ark Little Rock Jack Stephens Center > 5,600
Troy Trojan Arena > 5,200
UWF Field House > 4,500
Georgia Southern Hanner FieldHouse > 4,325
Georgia State Sports Arena > 3,854
CCU HTC Center > 3,212


Answer: Mute point

5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

On campus dorm rooms:

Troy > 2,428
South Alabama > 2,414
West Florida > 2,046


Answer: This criteria really does not make any sense. There are tons of private dorms and apartments around campus at Florida State and South Alabama. Pensacola is no different.


UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.


Clarification request: What does a creditable D1 facility look like?


USA Eddie Stanky Field > 4,500
ULL Tique Moore Field > 3,755
Georgia Southern Clements Field > 3,000
Ark Little Rock Gary Hogan Field > 2,550
UWF Jim Spooner Field > 2,500
CCU Spring Brooks Stadiium > 2,500
Troy Riddle Pace Field > 2,000
ULM War Hawk Field > 1,800
UTA Clay Gould Ball Park > 1,600
Arkansas State Tomlinson Stadium-Kell Field > 1,200
Georgia State Baseball complex > 1,092
Appalachian State Smith Stadium > 1,000


Answer: Mute Point

---

UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

Answer: This does not make sense based upon the answers provided above. Oh, I get it ….you are Syndrome.

[Image: 8b415aca0313c98ebc1aa00a4577e962.jpg]


You did forget one important criteria, political clout:

UWF President Dr. Judith Bense older sister to Allan Bense, former Speaker of the House, State of Florida.

Senator Don Gaetz >> Don Gaetz applies to be UWF president

I don't know how to ask this without sounding snarky, so I'm just going to ask it. And I'm genuinely curious....

You point out that there is no FCS in D1 basketball. You're exactly right about that. But do you realize that UWF does not even play D1 basketball? Do you understand the difference between playing D2 basketball and playing D1 at the mid major level like the rest of us in the Sun Belt?
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(09-07-2016 04:15 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:51 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:27 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Complete non-starter.

1) USA is no longer in the Sun Belt. USA would block and would be foolish not to.
2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.
3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?
4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.
2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.
3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance
4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.
5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.

---

UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

What say ye, FJ?

Okay here we go.



1) USA would have to be no longer in the Sun Belt for this to even be possible. USA would block and would be foolish not to.

Answer: Unrealistic response. No reason to believe USA feels that way about UWF. Plus USA would not be in the position to leave the conference for CUSA because USM or UAB would have veto power over USA for the same vague reason.

2) Troy would be a definate 'no vote' too.

Answer: See response to 1).

3) How do you think UALR and UTA would feel about adding a team with non-existent D1 basketball?

Answer: D1 basketball is just a title. There is no FCS in basketball. When a school moves into D1 all there sports are considered D1 because they are now in the conference.

4) If ULL and stAte say "no Southland teams", how do you think they'd feel about adding a D2 moveup?

Answer: Again, compare the location of the school and its potential for growth. There are three schools in the Southland Conference with higher enrollment than UWF. Most of the Southland schools are bigger than Coastal and in bigger “markets”. This does not mean they are suitable for the Sun Belt.

However, one of the reasons used to justify the invite to Coastal was because it put the Sun Belt in South Carolina. UWF puts the Sun Belt back in Florida.

Finally, FAU, FIU, were a hindrance because of the athletic travel budgets needed for non football sports. This was the main reason the Miami left the Big East because it could not survive although at the time it was in the top five athletic departments in revenues. UWF fits within the the conference footprint and its proximity mitigates travel cost.



UWF would need the following to even be at the Kennesaw State level of 'never going to happen'

1) A plan for a football stadium along with funding. UWF is small and has a small endowment. There isn't any off campus facility for them to use either.

Answer: Already answered. See Post #23. UWF’s Campus Master Plan includes an on campus stadium by 2011. UWF's endowment his higher than half of the current conference members at $55.9 million

2) Some credibility in D1 basketball. And no, they're not moving from DII to the Sun Belt Conference.

Answer: Your statement by its form controls the outcome by stating that UWF would have to schedule and beat D1 basketball programs on a continuing basis in order to get an invite. Requiring UWF basketball having a winning record against D1 schools in order for them to have a FBS football team is nonsensical and not used previously.

3) A funding plan for FBS athletics that accounts for the significant expense of competing in FBS football, Sun Belt olympic sports including Title IX compliance:

Answer: Naturally. You are talking the number of scholarships. Look at the USA vs UWF sports teams. UWF offers the same number of sports than USA. So the difference 23 full scholarships. Will not be a problem.

4) A place to play D1 basketball. No, the Pensacola Civic Center isn't going to cut it.

Florida State Donald L. Tucker Civic center >> 12,100 capacity

Sun Belt Basketball Arena capacities:

ULL Cajun Dome > 12,068
ASU Convocation Center > 10,475
USA Mitchell Arena > 10,041
App State Holmes Convocation Center > 8,325
ULM Fant–Ewing Coliseum > 7,085
UT Arlington College Park Center > 7,000
Ark Little Rock Jack Stephens Center > 5,600
Troy Trojan Arena > 5,200
UWF Field House > 4,500
Georgia Southern Hanner FieldHouse > 4,325
Georgia State Sports Arena > 3,854
CCU HTC Center > 3,212


Answer: Mute point

5) A lot more than 2,000 on campus residential students and a main campus undergrad enrollment of less than 9500.

On campus dorm rooms:

Troy > 2,428
South Alabama > 2,414
West Florida > 2,046


Answer: This criteria really does not make any sense. There are tons of private dorms and apartments around campus at Florida State and South Alabama. Pensacola is no different.


UWF probably has 'okay' baseball (they won the D2 championship in 2011), but they don't have a credible D1 baseball facility either. In the sport they are probably the best at.


Clarification request: What does a creditable D1 facility look like?


USA Eddie Stanky Field > 4,500
ULL Tique Moore Field > 3,755
Georgia Southern Clements Field > 3,000
Ark Little Rock Gary Hogan Field > 2,550
UWF Jim Spooner Field > 2,500
CCU Spring Brooks Stadiium > 2,500
Troy Riddle Pace Field > 2,000
ULM War Hawk Field > 1,800
UTA Clay Gould Ball Park > 1,600
Arkansas State Tomlinson Stadium-Kell Field > 1,200
Georgia State Baseball complex > 1,092
Appalachian State Smith Stadium > 1,000


Answer: Mute Point

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UWF would need to figure out a way to raise 80-100 million dollars plus (for very basic facilities) in order to even have 'crummy for the Belt' facilities. Then, they'll need to figure out where 10 million or more in excess athletic department budgets are going to come from. Per year. Then they'll need to get their basketball into another D1 conference and succeed there.

And even then....they're never getting in the Belt because USA and Troy will block them and plenty of the league will help them block them.

Answer: This does not make sense based upon the answers provided above. Oh, I get it ….you are Syndrome.

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You did forget one important criteria, political clout:

UWF President Dr. Judith Bense older sister to Allan Bense, former Speaker of the House, State of Florida.

Senator Don Gaetz >> Don Gaetz applies to be UWF president

I don't know how to ask this without sounding snarky, so I'm just going to ask it. And I'm genuinely curious....

You point out that there is no FCS in D1 basketball. You're exactly right about that. But do you realize that UWF does not even play D1 basketball? Do you understand the difference between playing D2 basketball and playing D1 at the mid major level like the rest of us in the Sun Belt?


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(09-07-2016 02:57 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:10 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  UWF sounds like a nice add but UWG or UNA may be better - what do you think FJ?

UWG doesn't have sexy factor.

UNA is probably the better addition but location, location, location. 04-cheers

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(09-07-2016 02:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:46 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 10:36 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:09 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  He can't be. I just can't accept to believe that.

He is "Dead Serious"..... Everyone who has been around here for a while has seen him beat this drum before. And its been at least for the last 4 years or so. He has also advocated for FGCU and Whicata State.

That does it! That dang Whicata thing is just too much.?

If I remember correctly someone, not I, mentioned them as a pair with Missouri State.

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Can't take any poster serious that doesn't know the difference between mute and moot.
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I wish his points were mute...


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Pen Air Credit Union donated $1,000,000 dollars today to UWF in exchange for naming rights to their football field.
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