(02-22-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 08:41 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think KSU is angling for the SEC or ACC but probably CUSA ....to join Ga State.

Basic economic forecast.

Sun Belt fans of every school would welcome a chance to travel to ATL to play Ga State and Kennesaw State in alternating years.

2020 Kennesaw State Football schedule

1. Alabama Birmingham
2. @ Troy
3. Louisiana Monroe
4. Coastal Carolina
5. @ South Alabama
6. Appalachian State
7. @Georgia Southern
8. @ Texas Arlington
9. @ Charlotte
10. West Florida
11. @ Georgia
12. Georgia State


Kennesaw State vs Georgia State in the "Battle of the Peach"

No thank you.

Tom,

You would not like visiting Atlanta every year?

(02-22-2017 11:54 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Happens every single time:

fans of new move-up/new start-up programs (like S Alabama football) love nothing more than pretending that they get to walk through the door, spin on a heel, and slam it shut in the faces of those right behind them.

There is a difference between slamming the door and not wanting someone in your conference.

As I said long before Liberty got its waiver, I didn't think the must invite rule would withstand scrutiny. Anyone who has the resources to move and meet the legitimate requirements on aid, sport sponsorship and scheduling ought to have their crack.

UWF hasn't played a single contest in any sport at the Division I level. That's not a resume that is going to have any FBS league eager to invite them.

(02-22-2017 01:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There is a difference between slamming the door and not wanting someone in your conference.

As I said long before Liberty got its waiver, I didn't think the must invite rule would withstand scrutiny. Anyone who has the resources to move and meet the legitimate requirements on aid, sport sponsorship and scheduling ought to have their crack.

UWF hasn't played a single contest in any sport at the Division I level. That's not a resume that is going to have any FBS league eager to invite them.

Of course. What you say is perfectly reasonable. And the opposite of what Tom was saying.

He was saying that he wants to prevent WF from ever gaining a Sun Belt invite, purely because he fears direct competition with SA.


And I really doubt that Liberty's case proves the invite rule has been abolished. It was a special one-off exception.

(02-22-2017 02:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There is a difference between slamming the door and not wanting someone in your conference.

As I said long before Liberty got its waiver, I didn't think the must invite rule would withstand scrutiny. Anyone who has the resources to move and meet the legitimate requirements on aid, sport sponsorship and scheduling ought to have their crack.

UWF hasn't played a single contest in any sport at the Division I level. That's not a resume that is going to have any FBS league eager to invite them.

Of course. What you say is perfectly reasonable. And the opposite of what Tom was saying.

He was saying that he wants to prevent WF from ever gaining a Sun Belt invite, purely because he fears direct competition with SA.


And I really doubt that Liberty's case proves the invite rule has been abolished. It was a special one-off exception.

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's not worried about the threat of UWF he's worried about being associated at the same level as UWF. I don't mind playing Liberty but I certainly don't want to be in the same conference as them.

(02-22-2017 02:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  he's worried about being associated at the same level as UWF.

But no one was saying that WF deserves a Sun Belt invite right now. The thread is about the future.

Yet Tom is trying to close it off forever.

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

Quote:JB: Would you like to see the athletic department grow and add additional sports?

SO: I’m open to the discussion with students and faculty in that regard, but, right now, I’m more interested in improvement in the programs we already have.

Quote:JB: When Dr. Papp was president, he always said FCS is the level he wanted the football team to play on. At some point, would you want to see the football program go to the FBS level?

SO: I don’t really know. There is plenty of room for us at the FCS. It seems to me that until you are in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, you should be concentrating on where you are. I think natural, organic growth will determine that issue. I’m also knowledgeable that athletics isn’t just football. I now that the rest of our teams have to be able to withstand that type of competition.

Cause he broke

(02-22-2017 08:41 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think KSU is angling for the SEC or ACC but probably CUSA ....to join Ga State.

Basic economic forecast.

Sun Belt fans of every school would welcome a chance to travel to ATL to play Ga State and Kennesaw State in alternating years.

2020 Kennesaw State Football schedule

1. Alabama Birmingham
2. @ Troy
3. Louisiana Monroe
4. Coastal Carolina
5. @ South Alabama
6. Appalachian State
7. @Georgia Southern
8. @ Texas Arlington
9. @ Charlotte
10. West Florida
11. @ Georgia
12. Georgia State


Kennesaw State vs Georgia State in the "Battle of the Peach"

1) We are not going to CUSA
2) el oh elllllllllll

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(02-22-2017 04:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

Quote:JB: Would you like to see the athletic department grow and add additional sports?

SO: I’m open to the discussion with students and faculty in that regard, but, right now, I’m more interested in improvement in the programs we already have.

Quote:JB: When Dr. Papp was president, he always said FCS is the level he wanted the football team to play on. At some point, would you want to see the football program go to the FBS level?

SO: I don’t really know. There is plenty of room for us at the FCS. It seems to me that until you are in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, you should be concentrating on where you are. I think natural, organic growth will determine that issue. I’m also knowledgeable that athletics isn’t just football. I now that the rest of our teams have to be able to withstand that type of competition.

A new President is not going spouting off in the public and go out on a limb with FBS unless it's clearly in reach. KSU needs a expanded stadium first, among othe things. But one can bet it's in their long term plans. This article is confirmation of that IMHO.

(02-22-2017 01:51 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 08:41 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think KSU is angling for the SEC or ACC but probably CUSA ....to join Ga State.

Basic economic forecast.

Sun Belt fans of every school would welcome a chance to travel to ATL to play Ga State and Kennesaw State in alternating years.

2020 Kennesaw State Football schedule

1. Alabama Birmingham
2. @ Troy
3. Louisiana Monroe
4. Coastal Carolina
5. @ South Alabama
6. Appalachian State
7. @Georgia Southern
8. @ Texas Arlington
9. @ Charlotte
10. West Florida
11. @ Georgia
12. Georgia State


Kennesaw State vs Georgia State in the "Battle of the Peach"

No thank you.

Tom,

You would not like visiting Atlanta every year?

To play at Kennesaw? No thank you.

(02-22-2017 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  2

(02-22-2017 04:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

Quote:JB: Would you like to see the athletic department grow and add additional sports?

SO: I’m open to the discussion with students and faculty in that regard, but, right now, I’m more interested in improvement in the programs we already have.

Quote:JB: When Dr. Papp was president, he always said FCS is the level he wanted the football team to play on. At some point, would you want to see the football program go to the FBS level?

SO: I don’t really know. There is plenty of room for us at the FCS. It seems to me that until you are in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, you should be concentrating on where you are. I think natural, organic growth will determine that issue. I’m also knowledgeable that athletics isn’t just football. I now that the rest of our teams have to be able to withstand that type of competition.

A new President is not going spouting off in the public and go out on a limb with FBS unless it's clearly in reach. KSU needs a expanded stadium first, among othe things. But one can bet it's in their long term plans. This article is confirmation of that IMHO.

Their plans will not supercede the BOR's

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(02-22-2017 07:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  2

(02-22-2017 04:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

Quote:JB: Would you like to see the athletic department grow and add additional sports?

SO: I’m open to the discussion with students and faculty in that regard, but, right now, I’m more interested in improvement in the programs we already have.

Quote:JB: When Dr. Papp was president, he always said FCS is the level he wanted the football team to play on. At some point, would you want to see the football program go to the FBS level?

SO: I don’t really know. There is plenty of room for us at the FCS. It seems to me that until you are in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, you should be concentrating on where you are. I think natural, organic growth will determine that issue. I’m also knowledgeable that athletics isn’t just football. I now that the rest of our teams have to be able to withstand that type of competition.

A new President is not going spouting off in the public and go out on a limb with FBS unless it's clearly in reach. KSU needs a expanded stadium first, among othe things. But one can bet it's in their long term plans. This article is confirmation of that IMHO.

Their plans will not supercede the BOR's

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What are the Ga BOR's plans? I am sure they are written in stone.

(02-22-2017 02:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 02:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  he's worried about being associated at the same level as UWF.

But no one was saying that WF deserves a Sun Belt invite right now. The thread is about the future.

Yet Tom is trying to close it off forever.

So long as USA and Troy are in the Sun Belt, UWF to the Belt is a non-starter. And that's even if UWF was a credible candidate for membership, which is isn't.

(02-23-2017 09:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So long as USA and Troy are in the Sun Belt, UWF to the Belt is a non-starter. And that's even if UWF was a credible candidate for membership

I knew that was your false position. A false position is false.

What's so special about a start-up program like S Alabama?? Of course, you'll argue they deserved it since already a Sun Belt member in all sports except football. There is no argument against that.

(02-23-2017 11:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 09:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So long as USA and Troy are in the Sun Belt, UWF to the Belt is a non-starter. And that's even if UWF was a credible candidate for membership

I knew that was your false position. A false position is false.

What's so special about a start-up program like S Alabama?? Of course, you'll argue they deserved it since already a Sun Belt member in all sports except football. There is no argument against that.

USA has been a member of D1 for 45 years. A record of modest, but real success in men's basketball (including a fairly recent AT LARGE NCAA bid), a couple of individual NCAA champions in several sports, 30+ NCAA baseball bids, etc.

How about this....when UWF moves up to D1....they can wait for 40 years then start football.

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And since USA decided to move 45 years ago and UWF didn't....then its reasonable to assume that USA will have built up some advantages due to that tenure. Including proving that the school can compete in athletics. One of those is the fact that they're in a conference that sponsors football. UWF chose to stay in D3 or NAIA or wherever. I spent 20+ years in the media market with UWF and they never did anything.

USA has every right to not help a potential competitor compete with them by giving them a benefit, at a concrete cost to USA (the league has maximized its payout - any new team will involve a cut in payments to the existing teams).

And UWF hasn't proven squat. They've earned nothing. They've proven nothing. They don't have facilities. If CUSA wants to extend them a bid, they're welcome to do so. If they wish to ask for a waiver to compete as a FBS independent, they're welcome to do so. But they're not getting a SBC bid, so long as USA and Troy are members of the conference. Why is UWF somehow the Belt's problem?

Teh fear. I told y'all UWF is going to be a contender. Would you rather go to school in mobile or Pensacola. Simple answer.

Saying they have to earn it/won't get consideration until they prove themselves is perfectly valid, and I agree with that.

Saying USA (and you only speak for them, not Troy) will never allow WF to even be considered is false and bunk.

I'm not really clear why we're still talking about a D-2 school that just started football as if they're close to moving up to the SBC. They'd have to spend several years in FCS, which I think will eventually happen in a few years - perhaps as an A-Sun/Big South member.

UWF is one of the few universities in Florida with significant enrollment growth potential, and as UCF/USF/FIU/UF/FSU began to hit their enrollment caps other than online offerings, we'll see more and more students at UWF. Their biggest challenge is that it's a long, long flipping way to Pensacola, but the Florida JUCO guarantee that a JUCO graduate will be admitted to at least one state university will ensure that once FGCU (the other university with a lot of enrollment growth potential) fills up, UWF is the option left. D-1 seems unavoidable for UWF as they grow into that 20k student range, but I'd imagine they will spend considerable time in FCS. If FBS still even exists as is in a decade, then I'll think we can talk about UWF moving up to FBS. But we'll probably also be talking about FGCU moving up too.

I'd argue that FGCU and UWF would be likely to outpace FIU and FAU in attendance given the lack of competition in those markets relative to South Florida. If so, those schools would be strong additions to the Sun Belt based on what we can project right now.

(02-22-2017 07:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 07:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  2

(02-22-2017 04:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In a recent Marietta Daily Journal article, new Kennesaw St President Olens stated he wanted to play UGA and GT starting in 2021, wanted to expand the football stadium, and wanted to add sports. That sure sounds like he's satisfied with Big South football.

I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

Quote:JB: Would you like to see the athletic department grow and add additional sports?

SO: I’m open to the discussion with students and faculty in that regard, but, right now, I’m more interested in improvement in the programs we already have.

Quote:JB: When Dr. Papp was president, he always said FCS is the level he wanted the football team to play on. At some point, would you want to see the football program go to the FBS level?

SO: I don’t really know. There is plenty of room for us at the FCS. It seems to me that until you are in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, you should be concentrating on where you are. I think natural, organic growth will determine that issue. I’m also knowledgeable that athletics isn’t just football. I now that the rest of our teams have to be able to withstand that type of competition.

A new President is not going spouting off in the public and go out on a limb with FBS unless it's clearly in reach. KSU needs a expanded stadium first, among othe things. But one can bet it's in their long term plans. This article is confirmation of that IMHO.

Their plans will not supercede the BOR's

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What are the Ga BOR's plans? I am sure they are written in stone.

You're going to have to come up with the dollars in cash to build out that stadium to 25k from 8k. Cash also for a football operations building. Oh yeah and you're going to need additional woman's sports. More cash. No increase in athletic fee allowed. And you are going to have to do this as you reduce your percentage susidy below 65%. They are barely afloat in FCS as it is. Yes, all of that is in stone.

Toodles

(02-23-2017 03:18 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 07:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 07:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  2

(02-22-2017 04:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't think that is accurate.

http://www.mdjonline.com/sports/presiden...c94e1.html

A new President is not going spouting off in the public and go out on a limb with FBS unless it's clearly in reach. KSU needs a expanded stadium first, among othe things. But one can bet it's in their long term plans. This article is confirmation of that IMHO.

Their plans will not supercede the BOR's

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What are the Ga BOR's plans? I am sure they are written in stone.

You're going to have to come up with the dollars in cash to build out that stadium to 25k from 8k. Cash also for a football operations building. Oh yeah and you're going to need additional woman's sports. More cash. No increase in athletic fee allowed. And you are going to have to do this as you reduce your percentage susidy below 65%. They are barely afloat in FCS as it is. Yes, all of that is in stone.

Toodles

Cobb County is just so dirt poor, that residents and their multiple corporations can't give any donations. Just just as well be a coal mining county in S WV. Now understand how hopeless Kennesaw St's situation is in your mind.