(10-14-2016 11:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:30 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Can we take the red shirt off if need be? If we lose dedric, we've got high school height.

I would say no.

Seems the consensus is most fans aren't overly concerned with 2016 overall.

Just redshirt both, let them get in the weights and practices and classes and then come in ready in 2017 with Enoh, Nickelberry and Johnson.

Especially with Rivers only having 2 years. Not many reasons to blow a full year for half a season of games.

IMO

Rivers is the kind of player you were wanting Tubby to sign in the summer just before school started. Only it wasn't Tubby who signed him. And it wasn't a last ditch effort to fill a roster spot just before school started -- but that's another story. Regardless, that's why nobody's wringing their hands at the possibility he might miss a semester. At the end of the day he's not a game changer. Just means more practice time for a walkon -- like Jake was last year.

Right.

I'm certainly not hand wringing at this point.

Which is why I say red shirt.

But imagine the decision is partly in the kid's hands.

If it were my kid though I'd tell him to get his 2 full seasons out of the deal.

(10-15-2016 08:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Right.

I'm certainly not hand wringing at this point.

Which is why I say red shirt.

But imagine the decision is partly in the kid's hands.

If it were my kid though I'd tell him to get his 2 full seasons out of the deal.

Yep, if somebody else is willing to pay for your education, my advice is to take it.

I don't know why you would want to throw this season away. Dedric is the best player we've had in a long time. Markel, KJ and Jeremiah are good college players. The rest are unknowns, but maybe one or two will be good. I think Tubby can coach. We can never have this season back and probably won't have Dedric back, so I say go for it. If the Pyramid can play, let him play. If Rivers can play, let him play. Red shirting is usually a complete waste unless you are injured.

(10-19-2016 01:39 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know why you would want to throw this season away. Dedric is the best player we've had in a long time. Markel, KJ and Jeremiah are good college players. The rest are unknowns, but maybe one or two will be good. I think Tubby can coach. We can never have this season back and probably won't have Dedric back, so I say go for it. If the Pyramid can play, let him play. If Rivers can play, let him play. Red shirting is usually a complete waste unless you are injured.

100% agree, but the staff decided to throw this season away, so to speak, when they didn't fill out scholarships and add more proven DI players late.

I'm on the kid's side first and foremost.

If they want to burn a year of eligibility on half a season, go for it.

BUT, if they were my kid, my advice would be to redshirt and get the full ride and full experience.

Some folks keep looking at it from the what's best for Tubby/2016 basketball team angle...I understand it, but don't think it's right.

Player first. If he wants to do it, fine.

(10-19-2016 01:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 01:39 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know why you would want to throw this season away. Dedric is the best player we've had in a long time. Markel, KJ and Jeremiah are good college players. The rest are unknowns, but maybe one or two will be good. I think Tubby can coach. We can never have this season back and probably won't have Dedric back, so I say go for it. If the Pyramid can play, let him play. If Rivers can play, let him play. Red shirting is usually a complete waste unless you are injured.

100% agree, but the staff decided to throw this season away, so to speak, when they didn't fill out scholarships and add more proven DI players late.

I'm on the kid's side first and foremost.

If they want to burn a year of eligibility on half a season, go for it.

BUT, if they were my kid, my advice would be to redshirt and get the full ride and full experience.

Some folks keep looking at it from the what's best for Tubby/2016 basketball team angle...I understand it, but don't think it's right.

Player first. If he wants to do it, fine.

I'll side with the coach on this one

It's Rivers fault that he's not eligible

He shoulda took care of business in the classroom

Now if he had been injured it's a different story

(10-20-2016 10:07 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I'll side with the coach on this one

It's Rivers fault that he's not eligible

He shoulda took care of business in the classroom

Now if he had been injured it's a different story

Agree that it is Rivers' personal responsibility to maintain eligibility.

It is the coaching staff's responsibility to see that their players are on track and especially new recruits and if not, either to find suitable replacements or go short-handed without excuses.

We are taking about a marginal JC player here. He makes Waki Williams look like Larry Johnson

Put him in there as soon as he's eligible

If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

(10-20-2016 11:49 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  We are taking about a marginal JC player here. He makes Waki Williams look like Larry Johnson

Put him in there as soon as he's eligible

If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

And again, I'm on the player's side.

Tubby and staff weren't that concerned with 2016 to begin with given their lack of total recruiting.

So, therefore what's the rush of getting one marginal JC player in there anyway...he's not going to change the trajectory.

Again - if it was my kid, and I'm sure you would be the same with yours, I'd say get all the eligibility you can...

(10-20-2016 11:49 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

Agree this far...if the staff WANTS him to lose eligibility and play half a season and the kid does not want to, then he's also free to transfer out to somewhere that will grant him 2 full seasons.

(10-20-2016 12:03 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 11:49 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  We are taking about a marginal JC player here. He makes Waki Williams look like Larry Johnson

Put him in there as soon as he's eligible

If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

And again, I'm on the player's side.

Tubby and staff weren't that concerned with 2016 to begin with given their lack of total recruiting.

So, therefore what's the rush of getting one marginal JC player in there anyway...he's not going to change the trajectory.

Again - if it was my kid, and I'm sure you would be the same with yours, I'd say get all the eligibility you can...

Broken record... You aren't happy with Tubby's 2016 efforts. Got it..

Say it again if you want. He landed a few players. He got in late and there wasn't a lot to choose from. You would post lists of **** heels that wouldn't get any playing time at most places or were being recruited by 20 schools. Pastner had two recruits, yeah two. One left. He's doing well in 2017. Give it a break dude...

(10-21-2016 08:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:03 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 11:49 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  We are taking about a marginal JC player here. He makes Waki Williams look like Larry Johnson

Put him in there as soon as he's eligible

If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

And again, I'm on the player's side.

Tubby and staff weren't that concerned with 2016 to begin with given their lack of total recruiting.

So, therefore what's the rush of getting one marginal JC player in there anyway...he's not going to change the trajectory.

Again - if it was my kid, and I'm sure you would be the same with yours, I'd say get all the eligibility you can...

Broken record... You aren't happy with Tubby's 2016 efforts. Got it..

Say it again if you want. He landed a few players. He got in late and there wasn't a lot to choose from. You would post lists of **** heels that wouldn't get any playing time at most places or were being recruited by 20 schools. Pastner had two recruits, yeah two. One left. He's doing well in 2017. Give it a break dude...

Not the point.

(10-21-2016 09:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 08:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:03 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 11:49 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  We are taking about a marginal JC player here. He makes Waki Williams look like Larry Johnson

Put him in there as soon as he's eligible

If he don't like it he can hit the bricks

And again, I'm on the player's side.

Tubby and staff weren't that concerned with 2016 to begin with given their lack of total recruiting.

So, therefore what's the rush of getting one marginal JC player in there anyway...he's not going to change the trajectory.

Again - if it was my kid, and I'm sure you would be the same with yours, I'd say get all the eligibility you can...

Broken record... You aren't happy with Tubby's 2016 efforts. Got it..

Say it again if you want. He landed a few players. He got in late and there wasn't a lot to choose from. You would post lists of **** heels that wouldn't get any playing time at most places or were being recruited by 20 schools. Pastner had two recruits, yeah two. One left. He's doing well in 2017. Give it a break dude...

Not the point.

What's the point?

I don't agree with the initial 'rush' to get Rivers or Azab on the floor by second semester and have the player lose eligibility just to help a 2016 team that the staff wasn't even overly concerned about.

Believe it or not I was more disagreeing with some fans/posters than the coaches.

Some of the same fans who also werent overly concerned for the past 6 months NOW want a player to lose eligibility just so their 2016 season is 'saved' or whatever.

Can't have it both ways amigo.

And always on the players side above all else.

(10-19-2016 01:39 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know why you would want to throw this season away. Dedric is the best player we've had in a long time. Markel, KJ and Jeremiah are good college players. The rest are unknowns, but maybe one or two will be good. I think Tubby can coach. We can never have this season back and probably won't have Dedric back, so I say go for it. If the Pyramid can play, let him play. If Rivers can play, let him play. Red shirting is usually a complete waste unless you are injured.

After his NBA draft combine Dedric could be a 4 year guy. That was a pretty bad stain that won't wash away easily.

Dedric reminds me of John Wallace from Syracuse.

Really good 4 year college player that's just not NBA atleticism or dominant skill set.

(10-21-2016 10:38 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Dedric reminds me of John Wallace from Syracuse.

Really good 4 year college player that's just not NBA atleticism or dominant skill set.

I would take that.

The 2nd semester is the most meaning full part of the season. Why waste that time when they could be getting play time this year. Let next year take care of itself.

(10-21-2016 10:24 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't agree with the initial 'rush' to get Rivers or Azab on the floor by second semester and have the player lose eligibility just to help a 2016 team that the staff wasn't even overly concerned about.

Believe it or not I was more disagreeing with some fans/posters than the coaches.

Some of the same fans who also werent overly concerned for the past 6 months NOW want a player to lose eligibility just so their 2016 season is 'saved' or whatever.

Can't have it both ways amigo.

And always on the players side above all else.

Dude, Azab was signed with hopes he'd play 2016. Just needed big players. Don't know if he sees any playing time or not.

College basketball is a business. You have to know your value and not overestimate your value to the team. Scholarships are renewed annually. Enough said...

You think fans weren't concerned? So we'll just have to give up on 2016? What are you, eight years old? Most of us knew we changed coaches in the 11th hour. Pastner had only signed 2 players in 2016 and only the JUCO stayed (Tubby already has signed 3 for 2017). Although I would have liked to see him sign every good player left, I also knew it wasn't likely. He brought Clergeot, signed Azab and the old man from Baylor. Recruiting relationships don't occur overnight and Memphis just isn't the draw it was a few years ago (again, look at Pastners 2016 class).

I don't think we'll have a great 2016. I hope they surprise us, but preseason rankings seem to agree. We'll find out soon enough. We've got some good players, but we have some missing pieces. Tubby's addressing those with 2017 recruits.

Anyway, I'll be there to watch the Tigers. I think Tubby will do well here. If he doesn't, I'll be the first to say "adios". I'll certainly give him a few years though...

Choose your path, cry over spilt milk or choose to be positive and support your team.