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RE: Budget gap between P5 and G5 programs growing
(09-04-2016 06:59 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Searched the database because it shows travel expenses for the first time I can remember. I found it interesting that Ohio U spends $1.1 million on travel and Marshall spends $2.8 million giving Ohio U a $1.7 million advantage just in travel. That will add up over time.

Considering how much Miami and Ohio take from subsidy, I don't think you need to be talking about saving money versus Marshall..............
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Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
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(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.
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RE: Budget gap between P5 and G5 programs growing
(09-06-2016 06:24 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.

The MAC brings in more TV money (but less gate receipts), has better TV coverage, lower travel costs and geographic rivals. I think the rest of the G5 could learn something from them. CUSA and the other 3 are trying to be a national brand in a climate that only wants p5 programming. I think we might be better off trying to be a big deal in a specific geographic region, where most of us pull our students and athletes from. Does it really matter much if UTEP gets a small mention in Virginia or ODU gets a paragraph from the AP in Dallas etc?
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(09-06-2016 06:24 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.

But that is what we are going to have to do if money doesn't improve...
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(09-06-2016 08:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 06:24 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.

But that is what we are going to have to do if money doesn't improve...

The problem is it gets to a point that students can no longer afford to foot the bill for it. Miami, just an example, charges over a grand a semester for each student to cover their operating athletic costs. I just do not think that is sustainable and would lead to decreased enrollment throwing a wrench into the funds collected from students. Gotta think on the bigger picture with all that. So what would those programs do if say the state mandated that they reduce their subsidy to 50% or less?

I am not saying this will happen, just saying that with the economic times, the days of relying on high subsidies may be coming to an end. If that is the case it would make the MAC go from stable to oh crap.
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(09-06-2016 08:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 06:24 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.

The MAC brings in more TV money (but less gate receipts), has better TV coverage, lower travel costs and geographic rivals. I think the rest of the G5 could learn something from them. CUSA and the other 3 are trying to be a national brand in a climate that only wants p5 programming. I think we might be better off trying to be a big deal in a specific geographic region, where most of us pull our students and athletes from. Does it really matter much if UTEP gets a small mention in Virginia or ODU gets a paragraph from the AP in Dallas etc?

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but you are missing my point. Case in point, if Ohio U budget is 27 mil, and 70% of that is subsidy, in a state that is declining in economics (much of the upper Midwest has been for a bit now) and the state says ok, we now have to cap subsidy limits to 50%, now how many are going to be able to survive that kind of cut in funds and still remain FBS? I have nothing against the MAC, they have made better decisions than CUSA for sure, but my point remains.
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(09-06-2016 10:44 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 08:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 06:24 PM)herdinva Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 05:45 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, that is what is endearing about the MAC....overall, it's a bus league...nothing wrong at all with that..gives the conference an old school feel....but guys, they are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank... The Mac is the most stable conference in fbs with exception of a he SEC and B1G... They're doing it right....

Our bumbling conference leaders have really assed this up for CUSA...we have to win on the field...
Stable for now, if the economics do not improve, most of those mac school will be in trouble. Toledo is the least subsidized team in the conference at 56%, most others are at 70, and some are much higher. Cant continue to pass the cost to the students and the state govs certainly cant afford it. Curious to see what happens in the coming years with all that. Its not only the Mac obviously.

The MAC brings in more TV money (but less gate receipts), has better TV coverage, lower travel costs and geographic rivals. I think the rest of the G5 could learn something from them. CUSA and the other 3 are trying to be a national brand in a climate that only wants p5 programming. I think we might be better off trying to be a big deal in a specific geographic region, where most of us pull our students and athletes from. Does it really matter much if UTEP gets a small mention in Virginia or ODU gets a paragraph from the AP in Dallas etc?

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but you are missing my point. Case in point, if Ohio U budget is 27 mil, and 70% of that is subsidy, in a state that is declining in economics (much of the upper Midwest has been for a bit now) and the state says ok, we now have to cap subsidy limits to 50%, now how many are going to be able to survive that kind of cut in funds and still remain FBS? I have nothing against the MAC, they have made better decisions than CUSA for sure, but my point remains.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, but that is a G5 problem (or at least MAC, C-USA, SB), not a MAC problem. I'm counting 8 C-USA schools that are 60%+ subsidized with FIU being 82.5% and that was before the decrease in TV dollars. 8 Sun Belt are at least 60% subsidized and they really don't have any fat to trim in their budgets as is.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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