(09-05-2016 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I'll tell you what underlies my criticism:
I don't trust the coach.

I'm not so much hung up on Gunner as that I don't trust the coach.
I don't trust his decision-making skills.
I don't trust his management.
I don't trust him not to let personal conflict and petty spats trump putting UC in a position to win games.

He makes the final calls...got that. But I haven't seen anything that tells me that Tommy Tuberville gives a s*** about UC or UC football. If I had an ounce of trust for the man, I'd be quiet as death about the decision to start Moore or Trail over Kiel. Hell, it could well be the RIGHT decision.

But I don't trust Tuberville. And there it is.

I wish I could say I disagree. I want so badly for him to make me eat my words and feel bad for ever doubting him. I keep waiting.

(09-05-2016 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I'll tell you what underlies my criticism:
I don't trust the coach.

I'm not so much hung up on Gunner as that I don't trust the coach.
I don't trust his decision-making skills.
I don't trust his management.
I don't trust him not to let personal conflict and petty spats trump putting UC in a position to win games.

He makes the final calls...got that. But I haven't seen anything that tells me that Tommy Tuberville gives a s*** about UC or UC football. If I had an ounce of trust for the man, I'd be quiet as death about the decision to start Moore or Trail over Kiel. Hell, it could well be the RIGHT decision.

But I don't trust Tuberville. And there it is.

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(09-05-2016 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I'll tell you what underlies my criticism:
I don't trust the coach.

I'm not so much hung up on Gunner as that I don't trust the coach.
I don't trust his decision-making skills.
I don't trust his management.
I don't trust him not to let personal conflict and petty spats trump putting UC in a position to win games.

He makes the final calls...got that. But I haven't seen anything that tells me that Tommy Tuberville gives a s*** about UC or UC football. If I had an ounce of trust for the man, I'd be quiet as death about the decision to start Moore or Trail over Kiel. Hell, it could well be the RIGHT decision.

But I don't trust Tuberville. And there it is.

(09-06-2016 01:11 AM)BringBackthe Glory Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I'll tell you what underlies my criticism:
I don't trust the coach.

I'm not so much hung up on Gunner as that I don't trust the coach.
I don't trust his decision-making skills.
I don't trust his management.
I don't trust him not to let personal conflict and petty spats trump putting UC in a position to win games.

He makes the final calls...got that. But I haven't seen anything that tells me that Tommy Tuberville gives a s*** about UC or UC football. If I had an ounce of trust for the man, I'd be quiet as death about the decision to start Moore or Trail over Kiel. Hell, it could well be the RIGHT decision.

But I don't trust Tuberville. And there it is.

Excellent. I agree totally. He thinks that he is above coaching g5.

I don't think that he feels he's above it. I just think he sees this as not mattering as much as big time football. In the G5 we all get slices of orange at halftime and as long as you try hard you get a participatin trophy at the Boca Bowl.

Perhaps in the long run he'll be proven right. He's cashing P5 checks without all the pressure.

Fans see we have a coach who is not consumed with excellence and it drives them freaking nuts. Hands up...who thinks he was here all night watching film after the debacle Thirsday night (stop laughing). He loses the benefit of the doubt as a result. Dude is getting paid around $44,000 a week win or lose 52 weeks a year to be the grandfatherly face of a program and to do radio spots for his good friends at fill in the blank company. That's not what we need and not what we demand. It just can't mean more to the fans than it does to a guy wrapping up his career.

The good thing is he has opportunities to change that perception this weekend. Play well with energy and focus on the road. We know he'll be fired up for Houston on national TV. I'm not worried about that. It's those other games that are not as big of a deal that scare the hell out of me.

(09-06-2016 06:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The good thing is he has opportunities to change that perception this weekend. Play well with energy and focus on the road. We know he'll be fired up for Houston on national TV. I'm not worried about that. It's those other games that are not as big of a deal that scare the hell out of me.

Great point. Purdue, despite their slide in recent years, is P5 and at least with many local college football fans wears that B10 halo. UC should be recruiting against PU, especially in Indy. A loss to a poor Purdue team will have many B10 sycophants wagging their tongues about the level of UC football and the AAC. UC made a reputation by beating teams like Purdue over the past couple of decades. It's time to get back to that standard. MAC teams are beating B10 teams pre-conference most every year. We shouldn't expect any less.

(09-05-2016 09:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I'll tell you what underlies my criticism:
I don't trust the coach.

I'm not so much hung up on Gunner as that I don't trust the coach.
I don't trust his decision-making skills.
I don't trust his management.
I don't trust him not to let personal conflict and petty spats trump putting UC in a position to win games.

He makes the final calls...got that. But I haven't seen anything that tells me that Tommy Tuberville gives a s*** about UC or UC football. If I had an ounce of trust for the man, I'd be quiet as death about the decision to start Moore or Trail over Kiel. Hell, it could well be the RIGHT decision.

But I don't trust Tuberville. And there it is.

I feel like I should add this to be absolutely fair...
I don't think Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly, or Butch Jones gave a crap about UC or UC football in general, but they did care about winning at least.

(09-06-2016 06:40 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don't think that he feels he's above it. I just think he sees this as not mattering as much as big time football. In the G5 we all get slices of orange at halftime and as long as you try hard you get a participatin trophy at the Boca Bowl.

Perhaps in the long run he'll be proven right. He's cashing P5 checks without all the pressure.

Fans see we have a coach who is not consumed with excellence and it drives them freaking nuts. Hands up...who thinks he was here all night watching film after the debacle Thirsday night (stop laughing). He loses the benefit of the doubt as a result. Dude is getting paid around $44,000 a week win or lose 52 weeks a year to be the grandfatherly face of a program and to do radio spots for his good friends at fill in the blank company. That's not what we need and not what we demand. It just can't mean more to the fans than it does to a guy wrapping up his career.

Right, my biggest concern is the lack of consistency in the effort department. We routinely come out flat against teams that we out-talent and show up for the big games (well, except for bowls).

(09-04-2016 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The QB position seems open, so whoever looks the best in practice this week should start against Purdue and then Houston. 50/50 at this point.

Moore came out and played a horrific first 35-40 minutes and we were losing to UTM at home. Kiel didn't even pick up a football. What could possibly happen to make the pull the trigger? If they were interested in changing QBs, it would've happened.

(09-06-2016 09:34 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The QB position seems open, so whoever looks the best in practice this week should start against Purdue and then Houston. 50/50 at this point.

Moore came out and played a horrific first 35-40 minutes and we were losing to UTM at home. Kiel didn't even pick up a football. What could possibly happen to make the pull the trigger? If they were interested in changing QBs, it would've happened.

I kept expecting to see Gunner warming up, but it never happened.

(09-06-2016 09:38 AM)doss2 Wrote:  I kept expecting to see Gunner warming up, but it never happened.

Me too. If there was a qb competition at all I would've expected more than one qb to get some live fire game time. Doesn't appear the qb competition is even close.

Moore really doesn't have the arm to throw those mid range out routes. I'd like to see him completing shorter higher percentage throws down the field.

(09-05-2016 08:05 PM)namrag Wrote:  Fwiw, I spoke to a former UC fb player early last week, a former team captain.
The guy has been at UC practices and spent time with the team and the coaching staff within the past month.
He told me that Tubs says that Gunner is the best qb on the team "by far". As for why he isn't playing, there wasn't a clear answer, but some alluding to problems resulting from the treatment of injuries. NOT anything about a mental illness.

I'm rooting for the guy.

I figured there was more to the story than was public, but I have to admit, if he still thinks Gunner is the superior QB, not playing him still doesn't add up.

Here is why - if Gunner had a temporary issue, lets say a physical one, that was keeping him from starting. Tubs would absolutely want that known and so would Kiel. Because to make it look like he simply had lost the job would be unfairly trashing Kiel and ruining his NFL chances, among other things.


The way this has been handled - we are left to believe that Kiel is healthy and ready to play. So we are really left with two choices regarding what to think.

1. The coaching staff for whatever reason, now believes Kiel isn't as good an option as Moore, Trail.

2. Kiel is still better than Moore, Trail but for some unknown reason Tubs and Co. don't want to play him.


None of it makes a whole lot of sense.

And I too lack confidence in how any and all things UC football are currently being attended to.

This is a coach who started Munchie friggin Legeaux over Brendan Kay. Why would anyone ever trust his decisions on starters/playing time?

If he's not a big enough problem to just kick off the team then he should be in because he is the vastly better QB.

UH up to #6

If Gunner is a problem you suspend or dismiss him. If he is not a problem he should be playing as we all know his on field body of work is vastly better than Moore.

Maybe they should move Gunner to a new position. He could play special teams. Make Gunner a gunner.

(09-06-2016 08:06 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  This is a coach who started Munchie friggin Legeaux over Brendan Kay. Why would anyone ever trust his decisions on starters/playing time?

If he's not a big enough problem to just kick off the team then he should be in because he is the vastly better QB.

Munchie was clearly the better QB...in practice and ...ah, nevermind....I couldn't type it without laughing.

Didn't we ultimately learn that Kay wasn't 100% and, once he was, he was named the starter?

I could be misremembering, but I could have sworn that was true one season.

(09-06-2016 10:38 PM)BringDaRuckus Wrote:  Didn't we ultimately learn that Kay wasn't 100% and, once he was, he was named the starter?

I could be misremembering, but I could have sworn that was true one season.

His neck was so hurt for the Purdue game they put him in to get pummeled on repeated QB dives and option keeper plays.

(09-06-2016 08:06 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  This is a coach who started Munchie friggin Legeaux over Brendan Kay. Why would anyone ever trust his decisions on starters/playing time?

If he's not a big enough problem to just kick off the team then he should be in because he is the vastly better QB.

That was a huge red flag for tuberville imo. In his very first game with UC, this was a pretty clear sign he didn't have a clue. I shrugged it off and figured Kay was fairly banged up but nope, just coach TT being coach TT