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MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4311746-155...pansion-is

Quote: "I've challenged our membership to think about expansion — with or without losing [current] members," Thompson said. "Do we look east? Do we look at the state of Texas, for example? So that's probably going to be something we have to confront this year."


Quote: "If we're expanding," Thompson said, "we're going east."

Similar article which has the SL Tribune article above linked. http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-poaching/

This the typo state the SB viable option is Ark. St...which probably should be Texas St.



It seems we may be thinking ahead 2 years for the next TV contract.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible irregardless of Big 12 expansion
Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible irregardless of Big 12 expansion
(09-07-2016 10:20 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)

No problem on the grammar. Seems like irregardless has been an issue since the late 1700's.....

I wouldn't mind a Texas core but it would be ripe for a split when the playoff contract renews possibly unless other conferences have gone to 16 teams and if things change with the playoff expansion. The big key now as opposed to the WAC 16 is the divisions nicely line up and the TV contract could be the key to holding the conference together at that amount of teams unless a division knows it would get more TV$$ than another division. But it would all go back to playoff contract and how the G5 or G? will be handled.

I do see Rice as a flight risk and I do think that Houston is a little to far east for the MW.
Sub Texas St for Rice and I think the MW could hold up as is. Anybody wanting further eastern could schedule OOC games. One thing thought is that the exposure would pretty much be in your division as you'll only get 1 cross over game with 16 teams.

Interesting talk about expansion from the MW....I think the MW commish is hearing some stirrings for the TV contract that will be coming up in a couple years. Might as well get a jump on some thoughts if the Texas offers more opportunity for a larger payout.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
I doubt the MWC could pull any AAC school, and vice versa. Too much parity, monetarily, to cause a jump. The question I have is why the MWC is honestly thinking about expanding. The MWC would have to pull from CUSA or Sun Belt, and that means UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA, Texas St, La Tech, or maybe try to get NDSU or one of the Montana school to move up (I doubt this). I doubt Houston would be willing to go to the MWC even if they are left out unless an extraordinary set of circumstances are met (hell if I know what those are). I don't think there are many good options.

UTEP would probably be the closest thing to a geographical and cultural fit, but they would not add much in regards to SoS. This is evidenced by the fact that they've averaged #136 in Sagarin Ratings from 2011-2015 with a rating no higher than 92 (2011). Additionally UTEP really wouldn't get the MWC into Texas as UTEP is too far away from any major market and is really part of southern New Mexico.

UNT, UTSA, Texas St are dregs competitively and would not help in regards to the NY6 aspirations of the conference. UTSA plays basketball in a HS gym....not a good look. Texas St has a decent stadium and decent facilities, but haven't shown any real improvement on the competition stand point.

Competitively, NDSU, Rice, and La Tech would be the best choices, at least as shown by this chart of Sagarin ratings from 2011-2015.

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(09-07-2016 05:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 10:20 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)

No problem on the grammar. Seems like irregardless has been an issue since the late 1700's.....

I wouldn't mind a Texas core but it would be ripe for a split when the playoff contract renews possibly unless other conferences have gone to 16 teams and if things change with the playoff expansion. The big key now as opposed to the WAC 16 is the divisions nicely line up and the TV contract could be the key to holding the conference together at that amount of teams unless a division knows it would get more TV$$ than another division. But it would all go back to playoff contract and how the G5 or G? will be handled.

I do see Rice as a flight risk and I do think that Houston is a little to far east for the MW.
Sub Texas St for Rice and I think the MW could hold up as is. Anybody wanting further eastern could schedule OOC games. One thing thought is that the exposure would pretty much be in your division as you'll only get 1 cross over game with 16 teams.

Interesting talk about expansion from the MW....I think the MW commish is hearing some stirrings for the TV contract that will be coming up in a couple years. Might as well get a jump on some thoughts if the Texas offers more opportunity for a larger payout.

irr.....well, Rice's performance against Baylor on ESPN tonight probably won't help.

I agree with you. Texas is a big state, and Rice is located far to the east, next to Louisiana. It kind of stinks being located in the middle south of the country. Too bad the B1G won't take a look at us...we'd fit academically and geographically, but we're tiny.

If BigXII doesn't expand now, I still think other realignment changes may happen. And when BigXII faces the re-upping of their TV contract in 2024-25, all heck might finally break loose. I will be curious to see just what happens with the MWC and AAC contracts when they get renewed before then.
And thanks for being cool, man!
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
Using the Big 12's example, now you know how NOT to do it!
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
(10-17-2016 04:05 PM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  Using the Big 12's example, now you know how NOT to do it!

True.
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MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
I think the so called g5s should break away and forum our own league and have our own playoffs and championship game...
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(10-17-2016 06:03 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I think the so called g5s should break away and forum our own league and have our own playoffs and championship game...

Too bad the haves have so much more than the have-nots. G5s need the money games on the road. A scheduling boycott would be nice to see.

With fewer G5s, some of those good 10-2 teams fall to 7-5, and head to the Brand Name Bowl vs. the New Year's Six Bowl.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
The WAC of the mid-1990s offers an interesting look at what happens when a conference becomes too geographically cumbersome while providing too little money to each member to make up the gap. This is the entire reason why the Mountain West exists in the first place.
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