(09-07-2016 04:10 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:11 PM)jmu82 Wrote:  We can't get to 12 of the 88 mil to start a convo build for a Div 1 basketball program, which has been approved and on the table for a while now. But the $$$ is all of a sudden gonna start piling in for a public announcement of a desire to move to FBS? Yeah, color me skeptical.

EDIT: my apologies....ARENA build.

Is the desire to build a new arena and the funds not being able to be raised an indictment of the Admin or the Alumi/Donors/Fans?

The answer to your question is "both", I believe. But the FBS and Convo fundraising ideas are an apples and oranges comparison in my humble opinion. I fully support, and would gladly stroke a check to help us move up to a big boy conference. I say that because I believe the exposure, excitement, (ahem) branding, increased alumni participation and giving, etc, would have a multiplying effect and would be well worth whatever meager amount I could throw into the kitty in support.

On the other hand, I do not support spending $90M for a new basketball arena at this stage of the game, and have not donated to that campaign as a result. Unless and until we can get out of the CAA, the Convo is on par (or better than) most of the barns and high school gyms our conference "peers" play in.

I doubt I'm alone in making that distinction.

We need a new building for the College of Business. We should direct our capital project fundraising efforts in that direction first, I believe.

You know, to be candid, I am going to give what I can regardless of whether we're FBS or FCS, and increasingly I just don't care that much whether or not we move "up". I certainly am not going to boycott the Duke Club or any of our games to punish JB and the rest of the administration for not accepting a bid to the Sun Belt a few years ago.

Enjoy life, including your alma mater's teams, as long as you can, because you won't be here forever. As Dr. Sidney Friedman used to say: "Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice."

Go Dukes.

(09-07-2016 03:08 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  DUKE CLUB HAS RECORD BREAKING YEAR
http://jmudukeclub.com/news/2016/2/3/DCN...65144.aspx

JMU Giving Day made JMU history!
http://givingday.jmu.edu

JMU Celebrates Record Giving
http://www.jmu.edu/news/2015/10/07-jmu-giving.shtml

Private giving to JMU continues strong upward momentum
http://www.jmu.edu/news/2016/08/19-recor...ving.shtml

Mike and Cecelia Battle Establish Lasting Legacy with JMU Athletics
http://jmusports.com/news/2016/7/15/duke...etics.aspx

Former Student-Athlete, Arthur Moats, Makes Significant Financial Gift to University
http://jmusports.com/news/2015/11/18/Duk...55147.aspx

Twitter @KevinAWarner:
@JMUFootball opener attendance (23,626) 7% higher than 2015, same week same opponent

Not athletics related and this is a sport message board, but...
G.J. and Heather Hart make significant contribution to name school at JMU
http://www.jmu.edu/news/2015/03/20-hart-...hool.shtml

You are right - the people have spoken... It is clear (thick sarcasm here in case you didn't notice) that the JMU admin "are finally getting push back and a reality check" and that "NO ONE has faith in the administration anymore".

+1

(09-07-2016 04:35 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 04:10 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:11 PM)jmu82 Wrote:  We can't get to 12 of the 88 mil to start a convo build for a Div 1 basketball program, which has been approved and on the table for a while now. But the $$$ is all of a sudden gonna start piling in for a public announcement of a desire to move to FBS? Yeah, color me skeptical.

EDIT: my apologies....ARENA build.

Is the desire to build a new arena and the funds not being able to be raised an indictment of the Admin or the Alumi/Donors/Fans?

The answer to your question is "both", I believe. But the FBS and Convo fundraising ideas are an apples and oranges comparison in my humble opinion. I fully support, and would gladly stroke a check to help us move up to a big boy conference. I say that because I believe the exposure, excitement, (ahem) branding, increased alumni participation and giving, etc, would have a multiplying effect and would be well worth whatever meager amount I could throw into the kitty in support.

On the other hand, I do not support spending $90M for a new basketball arena at this stage of the game, and have not donated to that campaign as a result. Unless and until we can get out of the CAA, the Convo is on par (or better than) most of the barns and high school gyms our conference "peers" play in.

I doubt I'm alone in making that distinction.

We need a new building for the College of Business. We should direct our capital project fundraising efforts in that direction first, I believe.

bit of a chicken or egg - I think the new basketball arena would help JMU be more attractive to move up- it would help the success of the basketball program which is the other thing that may perk some interest from an FBS conference. I think eventually JMU will get there and raise the funds without announcing a move to an FBS conference but it may just take a little longer than they anticipated.

(09-07-2016 04:35 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 04:10 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:11 PM)jmu82 Wrote:  We can't get to 12 of the 88 mil to start a convo build for a Div 1 basketball program, which has been approved and on the table for a while now. But the $$$ is all of a sudden gonna start piling in for a public announcement of a desire to move to FBS? Yeah, color me skeptical.

EDIT: my apologies....ARENA build.

Is the desire to build a new arena and the funds not being able to be raised an indictment of the Admin or the Alumi/Donors/Fans?

The answer to your question is "both", I believe. But the FBS and Convo fundraising ideas are an apples and oranges comparison in my humble opinion. I fully support, and would gladly stroke a check to help us move up to a big boy conference. I say that because I believe the exposure, excitement, (ahem) branding, increased alumni participation and giving, etc, would have a multiplying effect and would be well worth whatever meager amount I could throw into the kitty in support.

On the other hand, I do not support spending $90M for a new basketball arena at this stage of the game, and have not donated to that campaign as a result. Unless and until we can get out of the CAA, the Convo is on par (or better than) most of the barns and high school gyms our conference "peers" play in.

I doubt I'm alone in making that distinction.

We need a new building for the College of Business. We should direct our capital project fundraising efforts in that direction first, I believe.

This is my thinking as well. I want us to go FBS, even if it is the SB. But if we don't, I am fine with staying in the CAA. But then we don't need to continue to outspend the rest of the CAA by a wide margin and we should redirect our spending and donation to academics. The return on a new COB building will be higher than the return on a new convo in the CAA.

(09-07-2016 03:31 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 03:20 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  Sooo...JMU isn't FBS because we don't give enough...but here are a bunch of articles about JMU supporters giving more...so which one is it?

JMU is not FBS because they have not received an invite to the CUSA or MAC or AAC since Alger took office. People on this message boards keep referencing that we are not FBS because of the $$ and this is not the case. The $$ will be something to deal with in the future if conference change occurs, but it will not prevent JMU from accepting an offer to the MAC, AAC, or CUSA(with ODU still there).

JMU is receiving record financial support and JMU anticipates a further HUGE uptick in financial support should they experience conference change (just as ODU did).

Are you implying that the admin would only move to CUSA if ODU is there? Is that based on fact?

(09-07-2016 03:35 PM)PGJMU Wrote:  I know from personal experience, I made phone calls to raise funds for the Duke Club. Trying to get $100 out of someone was a major effort. Every excuse you could think of - i would give, if i didnt get so many parking tickets; i paid my tuition when i was a student; I am paying tuition for my kids and not giving more, JMU has enough money, etc, I dont like the admin; I will donate when we put our big boy pants on.

What we have learned is that some time in the past PGJMU called Dadgum asking for a $100 Duke Club donation. Dadgum said "not until we put our big boy pants on"
Small world.

What would be nice to know is how App State's giving and revenue increased once they announced their FBS move. They are in an more remote location than JMU and their results would be a good barometer on the least JMU could expect to gain.
There is a little research project for someone.

(09-07-2016 09:36 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 03:35 PM)PGJMU Wrote:  I know from personal experience, I made phone calls to raise funds for the Duke Club. Trying to get $100 out of someone was a major effort. Every excuse you could think of - i would give, if i didnt get so many parking tickets; i paid my tuition when i was a student; I am paying tuition for my kids and not giving more, JMU has enough money, etc, I dont like the admin; I will donate when we put our big boy pants on.

What we have learned is that some time in the past PGJMU called Dadgum asking for a $100 Duke Club donation. Dadgum said "not until we put our big boy pants on"
Small world.

What would be nice to know is how App State's giving and revenue increased once they announced their FBS move. They are in an more remote location than JMU and their results would be a good barometer on the least JMU could expect to gain.
There is a little research project for someone.

Not only did they move up but they are kicking some butt which doesn't hurt in bring in the cash.

What's the cost of App State undergrad- is it comparable to JMU for in state and out of state students? I wonder if the fact that JMU is noted as a value school plays into the giving post college. Part of the criteria for selecting JMU as a student is the cost of the education. When these value minded families sons and daughters graduate JMU they probably have similar values in terms of spending. Just a thought as to maybe why JMU skews low in terms of giving.

Are there efforts to get current students (when their esprit de corps is the highest) to commit small amounts once they graduate or even starting 5 years after they graduate ? I know that giving doesn't work like a 401(k) plan but I'll compare it to that since this is the industry that I work in. Methods like automatic 401(k) enrollment, automatic escalation or even having someone when they first join the plan commit to increasing their contributions on a future date (each year on their birthday) have proven to be very effective. Millennials in particular are a lot better about staying committed to an automatic contribution or even automatic increase program in the future than responding to someone calling them in the present and asking for a donation.

Duke club week:
http://jmusports.com/news/2016/10/6/bour...-week.aspx

The Duke Club Week piece was nice, nothing new really. Moving right along...

If a tree falls
in the woods
and no one is there to hear it
does it make a sound?

(10-07-2016 07:33 AM)Dadgum Wrote:  If a tree falls
in the woods
and no one is there to hear it
does it make a sound?

If Dadgum Posts
on the boards
but everyone has added him to their ignore list because he's the worst
does it matter?

(10-07-2016 07:33 AM)Dadgum Wrote:  If a tree falls
in the woods
and no one is there to hear it
does it make a sound?

If Schor leads us
to the playoffs
and it was stated he couldn't
was the prediction correct?

(10-07-2016 07:49 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 07:33 AM)Dadgum Wrote:  If a tree falls
in the woods
and no one is there to hear it
does it make a sound?

If Dadgum Posts
on the boards
but everyone has added him to their ignore list because he's the worst
does it matter?

Hahaha I do have him on ignore and it took me a minute to realize why you were formatting a post this way.

I thought it was a new era of love and PC...if a poster identifies as "fbs at all cost" or "the pres is an idiot" or "I love the AD" we should accept him/her and their attitude/belief fluidity. We should hear them out and give them a safe space- none of this mean ole blocking someone

I don't ignore people just for thinking those things, I only ignore them when it gets to the point when they post the same thing in every thread and it's so irrational, melodramatic, and over the top that takes away from actual meaningful discussion. It's just Dadgum and Dukes2Space.

(10-07-2016 08:19 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I thought it was a new era of love and PC...if a poster identifies as "fbs at all cost" or "the pres is an idiot" or "I love the AD" we should accept him/her and their attitude/belief fluidity. We should hear them out and give them a safe space- none of this mean ole blocking someone

That's it... I'm blocking you.

In all seriousness, I don't think it's a problem of not hearing someone out. There are some people where they have been heard and we know where they stand, yet continue to hammer their grievances. I know at least for me it's irritating when a topic totally irrelevant is spun back around to voice their unhappiness again and again. Some people have just had enough of it.
I do my best not to block one of our own, but sometimes it's just too much.

(10-07-2016 09:03 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:19 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I thought it was a new era of love and PC...if a poster identifies as "fbs at all cost" or "the pres is an idiot" or "I love the AD" we should accept him/her and their attitude/belief fluidity. We should hear them out and give them a safe space- none of this mean ole blocking someone

That's it... I'm blocking you.

In all seriousness, I don't think it's a problem of not hearing someone out. There are some people where they have been heard and we know where they stand, yet continue to hammer their grievances. I know at least for me it's irritating when a topic totally irrelevant is spun back around to voice their unhappiness again and again. Some people have just had enough of it.
I do my best not to block one of our own, but sometimes it's just too much.

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I apologize and maybe I've misunderstood the reason this message board exists.

This whole time, I was under the impression that threads involving things our Athletic Director was saying to his constituency would be open to discussions about whether or not you think he's the right person for the job.