(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 10:57 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Only a matter of time before an App fan post the average high school GPA of incoming freshmen and pounds their chest about 321 being a 4-lane highway all the way into to Boone. Maybe they'll mention the 7 TV markets they are in...

They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normally jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There's lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout. Plus there's a lot more to do in Charlotte than in Boone or Greenville. I think our current student support is fine for where we are.

(09-02-2016 01:03 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 10:57 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Only a matter of time before an App fan post the average high school GPA of incoming freshmen and pounds their chest about 321 being a 4-lane highway all the way into to Boone. Maybe they'll mention the 7 TV markets they are in...

They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normal jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There' lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout.

You know I'm on your side, right? But which "good P5" schools are you suggesting get less than three thousand students to their games?

(09-02-2016 01:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:03 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normal jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There' lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout.

You know I'm on your side, right? But which "good P5" schools are you suggesting get less than three thousand students to their games?

How about Chapel Hill. They rarely get near 3000 students for non-marque games.

(09-02-2016 01:08 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:03 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normal jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There' lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout.

You know I'm on your side, right? But which "good P5" schools are you suggesting get less than three thousand students to their games?

How about Chapel Hill. They rarely get near 3000 students for non-marque games.

I honestly couldn't say, though while they're on a relative upswing and have had some very good teams lately, I'm not sure I'd call an ACC program getting close to forty years removed from their last championship(and only one division championship in that time) a "good P5 program".

(09-02-2016 01:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:08 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:03 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normal jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There' lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout.

You know I'm on your side, right? But which "good P5" schools are you suggesting get less than three thousand students to their games?

How about Chapel Hill. They rarely get near 3000 students for non-marque games.

I honestly couldn't say, though while they're on a relative upswing and have had some very good teams lately, I'm not sure I'd call an ACC program getting close to forty years removed from their last championship(and only one division championship in that time) a "good P5 program".

They've been "good" for the last couple of years, and that's pretty much the only thing that matters to most students who bother to consider coming to a game. We're splitting hairs here now anyway. Student attendance has been down across the nation for more than a decade, so anywhere north of 1500 is pretty good at most G5s.

Our stadium is small, but we usually fill it or get close, and that's what matters right now. If anything I think our fans have been surprisingly patient with the program so far.

Why did the coach call that play out in the flat? That was stupid.

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 10:57 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Only a matter of time before an App fan post the average high school GPA of incoming freshmen and pounds their chest about 321 being a 4-lane highway all the way into to Boone. Maybe they'll mention the 7 TV markets they are in...

They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Exactly. So, you're just pulling crap out of your arse.

Oh geez, you App fans are ridiculous.

(09-02-2016 01:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:03 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Not sure you really know what our football attendance is from this statement. Our student section has no real issues filling up. Like everyone else in this country they normal jet after halftime to get more drunk if we are winning or losing big at the half, but we get about 3000 per game. Pretty good when most of our students work weekend jobs. There' lots of good P5 schools that would love to have our student turnout.

You know I'm on your side, right? But which "good P5" schools are you suggesting get less than three thousand students to their games?

Also, I think our average is well above that actually. We had 7500 seats for students the first 2 years and those were full many times. Last year we dropped to 4000 (IIRC) for students and most of those are used typically.

After last night, why would any App fan engage a UNCC fan regarding football, seems pointless?

App played well enough to win last night (even out rushed UTk), but kicking and clock management down the stretch was the difference. We still have questions with our young WRs which we'll find out more about vs. ODU next week, and hopefully the kicker has plenty of opportunities to forget about last night.

(09-02-2016 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why did the coach call that play out in the flat? That was stupid.

I believe the idea was that he could get an easy play for either no gain to ten yards with the way that Cox was seeing the field and get out of bounds. The corner read it and reacted faster than he could be blocked obviously. That was with enough time for Lamb to get set up however it took too long to get the play in and the play itself took too long. It wasn't necessarily a mismanagement of the clock as it was a poor play call. Three slant passes were completed prior to that play on that drive.

(09-02-2016 01:35 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 10:57 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Only a matter of time before an App fan post the average high school GPA of incoming freshmen and pounds their chest about 321 being a 4-lane highway all the way into to Boone. Maybe they'll mention the 7 TV markets they are in...

They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Exactly. So, you're just pulling crap out of your arse.

Oh geez, you App fans are ridiculous.

No, I'm not pulling anything out of anywhere. When you view your program objectively, you will see how far off you really are. The public isn't engaged with Charlotte football, Charlotte is a transplant city and as of yet, you have no following to speak of. As I stated previously, without winning, people aren't going to show interest. If people don't show interest, you won't bring in more talent. If you don't bring in better talent, you need a coach to develop talent and by now, you should have the players to compete. It's obvious that the coaching staff in place isn't able to develop the talent that you currently have.

(09-02-2016 02:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:35 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:15 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 11:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  They are in the same TV Market as Charlotte. I actually went to ECU so I suppose I should back out of the argument or does growing up 30 miles from Boone and 60 from Charlotte qualify me to make an argument? The fact remains that Charlotte has a collective commuter school mentality, unlike ECU, App State, Chapel Hill, NC State, etc. This isn't an argument about academics, this is an argument about support for the football program, which admittedly, isn't going to be incredibly high considering its youth. One thing that is indisputable is that wins will bring in fans. Without that, Charlotte won't improve it's perception and the on-campus mentality won't change as students continue to leave on weekends to go to other schools for social events rather than staying on campus.

And you have something to back these statements up? I ask you this as someone who lived on campus and didn't go home on the weekends.

Other than anecdotal evidence (I doubt anyone actually tracks how often students leave on weekends) I do not. I know plenty of people who lived on and around campus (The Edge, Flats, on campus) who did leave often on weekends. It's also pretty obvious when campus is nearly empty and by football attendance.

I'm not bashing Charlotte by any means. A young football program shouldn't be expected to draw 20,000 people per game, especially if the results haven't been there. My only contention is that as of right now, Charlotte hasn't earned the right to even hold a conversation comparing the state of their football program to where App is at. If anything, you should aspire to be where App or ECU is instead of suggesting that you aren't that far off because the reality of the situation is far different than the subjective perception.

Exactly. So, you're just pulling crap out of your arse.

Oh geez, you App fans are ridiculous.

No, I'm not pulling anything out of anywhere. When you view your program objectively, you will see how far off you really are. The public isn't engaged with Charlotte football, Charlotte is a transplant city and as of yet, you have no following to speak of. As I stated previously, without winning, people aren't going to show interest. If people don't show interest, you won't bring in more talent. If you don't bring in better talent, you need a coach to develop talent and by now, you should have the players to compete. It's obvious that the coaching staff in place isn't able to develop the talent that you currently have.

You get worse with every post......surely you realize that literally everything you have written in this thread is simply your opinion and has ZERO basis in fact or reality. Every bit of it is totally subjective and I could argue against every single statement you have made.

(09-01-2016 08:20 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Sht, wish we didn't have to play them again this year.

I'll tell you what, why don't you get on your knees and cry. Crying seems to be what your most good at. Have some effing pride why don't you!!!

(09-02-2016 08:04 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 10:17 PM)monarx Wrote:  Why didn't CUSA invite App? They're darn good.

Market (actually just location in reality) play by CUSA.

Tough loss, hopefully no hangover or looking ahead next week vs. ODU. I have a feeling ODU has been looking for revenge for a year.

Travel safe Monarchs. Early forecast next week is 78 and cloudy, good early football weather.

Tough loss indeed but you guys played a great game. No shame in that loss. Tennessee knows they won that game with luck. If youe kicker makes the extra point or the field goal, you win.