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RE: The Case for... WKU?
(09-02-2016 01:10 AM)CornellCoog Wrote:  After a 12-2 year including a bowl win, WKU announced a crowd of 19,000 tonight.

No thanks.

That's pathetic. Why do people think we should add these teams? We don't need any more teams with no fans, we have enough already.
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(09-02-2016 07:19 AM)First Mate Wrote:  
(09-02-2016 01:10 AM)CornellCoog Wrote:  After a 12-2 year including a bowl win, WKU announced a crowd of 19,000 tonight.

No thanks.

That's pathetic. Why do people think we should add these teams? We don't need any more teams with no fans, we have enough already.

About what we expected, that's 1/3 the population of our town. We draw fans from Louisville and Nashville and those people will not make work night games. We are still trying to build our fan base , people forget that we have only been FBS for 7 years and had a losing streak of 26 games while doing that. It's going to just take us some time.
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The Bowling Green metro area has a population of 166,000. That's just in two counties.

The school has 21,000 students.
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(09-02-2016 01:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 09:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I like WKU and they'd be an excellent addition...IMO the American should look at trying to become the best eastern conference of the G5

Western Kentucky
Southern Miss
NIU
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
UMass

Consolidate the east

Rice doesn't help do that

Here's the problem the AAC faces.

Currently, the AAC schools have a pretty solid group that compares very favorably to the rest of the G5---

**all have athletic budgets that exceed at least the 30-35 million level (most are significantly higher)

**all but one are top 200 USNWR national universities

**most approach or exceed 30K in football attendance

**All but one have significant football success within the last 5 years.

**More than half also field excellent to respectable basketball programs creating a solid multi-bid league

**All have committed to paying enough to hire high quality coaching for the G5 level

**All have committed to significantly upgrade facilities.

**All but one brings a large TV market

There are not any more eastern G5's that check all those boxes. In fact, there are very few that check more than a couple of those boxes. The AAC is currently an exceptionally good all around G5 conference based on football performance, brand, basketball performance, TV market, financial commitment, academics, and attendance.

It wont be if it tries to become the "best" football conference. That would require that it sacrifice virtually everything else to bring in schools that may--or may not--continue to excel in football. The best bet is to put together a semi-merger with the top 6 or so MW schools.

The best remaining option is to do nothing. Only add schools that check at least "most" of the boxes. Maybe use the hybrid to rebuild via the very limited use of "football only" schools and "non-football schools". You can dangle full membership as a carrot to get these associate members to build their profile to the point that they check all or at least most of the boxes.


Granted, not all candidates meet the above criteria. Just wondering how many current AAC members can check every box?
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(09-02-2016 11:12 AM)doughtyrowdy Wrote:  
(09-02-2016 01:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 09:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I like WKU and they'd be an excellent addition...IMO the American should look at trying to become the best eastern conference of the G5

Western Kentucky
Southern Miss
NIU
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
UMass

Consolidate the east

Rice doesn't help do that

Here's the problem the AAC faces.

Currently, the AAC schools have a pretty solid group that compares very favorably to the rest of the G5---

**all have athletic budgets that exceed at least the 30-35 million level (most are significantly higher)

**all but one are top 200 USNWR national universities

**most approach or exceed 30K in football attendance

**All but one have significant football success within the last 5 years.

**More than half also field excellent to respectable basketball programs creating a solid multi-bid league

**All have committed to paying enough to hire high quality coaching for the G5 level

**All have committed to significantly upgrade facilities.

**All but one brings a large TV market

There are not any more eastern G5's that check all those boxes. In fact, there are very few that check more than a couple of those boxes. The AAC is currently an exceptionally good all around G5 conference based on football performance, brand, basketball performance, TV market, financial commitment, academics, and attendance.

It wont be if it tries to become the "best" football conference. That would require that it sacrifice virtually everything else to bring in schools that may--or may not--continue to excel in football. The best bet is to put together a semi-merger with the top 6 or so MW schools.

The best remaining option is to do nothing. Only add schools that check at least "most" of the boxes. Maybe use the hybrid to rebuild via the very limited use of "football only" schools and "non-football schools". You can dangle full membership as a carrot to get these associate members to build their profile to the point that they check all or at least most of the boxes.


Granted, not all candidates meet the above criteria. Just wondering how many current AAC members can check every box?

The majority check every one. I'd say virtually all check all but one box. Memphis is the only school not ranked by USNWR. ECU is the only school not in a big market. Tulane is the only school with no real football success in the last 5 years. UCF, USF, ECU, and Tulane are the only schools that aren't currently fielding basketball programs that have add to the leagues basketball strength. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would fall short of the "approaching 30K" attendance mark.

So, basically--the majority of the league checks all the boxes. Yes, a school like ECU has no market and has weak basketball---but they make up for it by consistently being near the top of the league in attendance and fielding consistently solid football. Yes, Memphis isn't a ranked USNWP school--but it makes up for it by having elite basketball (not to mention it made the financial commitment to do the same with football). And most importantly---all meet the athletic budget criteria and all have well known brands.

That's whats really missing in the replacement candidates. Most have had some success or have great potential---but they all are lacking in several key factors---tv market, budgets, sustained success, attendance, branding, and academics. We are talking about replacement candidates that can barely check one or two boxes (as opposed to only missing one or two boxes). There is literally no GOOD replacement candidates. There are only "less bad" candidates. S Miss and LaTech are the best on the board and they miss on a number of boxes. Strangely, schools like UMass, ArkySt, Old Dominion, Texas St, WKU, MTSU, NIU, Ohio, Buffalo, etc all probably have more long term upside---but they are all very far from reaching their great potential. They are all still just too early in their program development.
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They done beat the hell outa big 12 contender Rice last night on CBS-SN! I have to admit: I was impressed with the offense! Good job WKU!
Cheers!
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(09-02-2016 12:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-02-2016 11:12 AM)doughtyrowdy Wrote:  
(09-02-2016 01:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 09:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I like WKU and they'd be an excellent addition...IMO the American should look at trying to become the best eastern conference of the G5

Western Kentucky
Southern Miss
NIU
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
UMass

Consolidate the east

Rice doesn't help do that

Here's the problem the AAC faces.

Currently, the AAC schools have a pretty solid group that compares very favorably to the rest of the G5---

**all have athletic budgets that exceed at least the 30-35 million level (most are significantly higher)

**all but one are top 200 USNWR national universities

**most approach or exceed 30K in football attendance

**All but one have significant football success within the last 5 years.

**More than half also field excellent to respectable basketball programs creating a solid multi-bid league

**All have committed to paying enough to hire high quality coaching for the G5 level

**All have committed to significantly upgrade facilities.

**All but one brings a large TV market

There are not any more eastern G5's that check all those boxes. In fact, there are very few that check more than a couple of those boxes. The AAC is currently an exceptionally good all around G5 conference based on football performance, brand, basketball performance, TV market, financial commitment, academics, and attendance.

It wont be if it tries to become the "best" football conference. That would require that it sacrifice virtually everything else to bring in schools that may--or may not--continue to excel in football. The best bet is to put together a semi-merger with the top 6 or so MW schools.

The best remaining option is to do nothing. Only add schools that check at least "most" of the boxes. Maybe use the hybrid to rebuild via the very limited use of "football only" schools and "non-football schools". You can dangle full membership as a carrot to get these associate members to build their profile to the point that they check all or at least most of the boxes.


Granted, not all candidates meet the above criteria. Just wondering how many current AAC members can check every box?

The majority check every one. I'd say virtually all check all but one box. Memphis is the only school not ranked by USNWR. ECU is the only school not in a big market. Tulane is the only school with no real football success in the last 5 years. UCF, USF, ECU, and Tulane are the only schools that aren't currently fielding basketball programs that have add to the leagues basketball strength. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would fall short of the "approaching 30K" attendance mark.

So, basically--the majority of the league checks all the boxes. Yes, a school like ECU has no market and has weak basketball---but they make up for it by consistently being near the top of the league in attendance and fielding consistently solid football. Yes, Memphis isn't a ranked USNWP school--but it makes up for it by having elite basketball (not to mention it made the financial commitment to do the same with football). And most importantly---all meet the athletic budget criteria and all have well known brands.

That's whats really missing in the replacement candidates. Most have had some success or have great potential---but they all are lacking in several key factors---tv market, budgets, sustained success, attendance, branding, and academics. We are talking about replacement candidates that can barely check one or two boxes (as opposed to only missing one or two boxes). There is literally no GOOD replacement candidates. There are only "less bad" candidates. S Miss and LaTech are the best on the board and they miss on a number of boxes. Strangely, schools like UMass, ArkySt, Old Dominion, Texas St, WKU, MTSU, NIU, Ohio, Buffalo, etc all probably have more long term upside---but they are all very far from reaching their great potential. They are all still just too early in their program development.

Hey Attack, I have a good feeling that the Coogs and Pirates will be AAC conference mates for a long time to come and I'm happy about that!
Cheers!
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(09-02-2016 02:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  They done beat the hell outa big 12 contender Rice last night on CBS-SN! I have to admit: I was impressed with the offense! Good job WKU!
Cheers!

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/western-...e-football
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(09-02-2016 03:51 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(09-02-2016 02:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  They done beat the hell outa big 12 contender Rice last night on CBS-SN! I have to admit: I was impressed with the offense! Good job WKU!
Cheers!

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/western-...e-football

Yeah..... That was pretty funny, I knew it was a matter of time before I saw that happen somewhere while running out through the fog. But if we continue to play like we did after that I'll trip them myself
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(09-02-2016 02:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  They done beat the hell outa big 12 contender Rice last night on CBS-SN! I have to admit: I was impressed with the offense! Good job WKU!
Cheers!

I was pleasantly surprised with transfer Mike White. He threw for over 500 yards and sat the 3rd 1/4
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(09-01-2016 01:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No way is WKU considered for AAC.

As I just mentioned in another thread, I'm not one to post a lot in other conference message boards unless my school is mentioned.

Agreed. I'm not expecting an invite either and besides, CUSA has been good WKU so far in the two years we've been it.

-14 total conference titles which is twice as many at the next closest school
-Finished last season with football ranked at #24 (our women's volleyball program has been ranked in the Top 25 for the last six straight seasons and has the 2nd most total wins in the nation over the last 6 seasons)
-A few weeks ago announced that a $22M indoor practice facility will be built and is scheduled to be completed in the spring of 2018. Not sure if we could have pulled that off in the SBC.

Concerning football attendance, WKU has been a basketball school for multiple generations, so it will take some time to build a bigger football fan base. Football has a lot of momentum right now and we can expand our stadium if we ever need to. The "new side" of our stadium was built to be able to expand it by adding a second deck. That would bring our "official capacity" to the mid-40's (we also have ~2,500 (mainly students) in a grassy berm on one end zone that isn't part of our official capacity).

Having said that, I think stadium capacity overall is overrated in today's world since the invention of HDTV. That means that quality of fan experience is much more important today than quantity. Outside of the "football factory" programs like OSU, Mich, ND, Bama... there are a lot of empty seats around the country (NASCAR is also having issues filling their stands). What "looks better" on TV? A 50K stadium that is half full or a 30K stadium that is almost full?
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I'd veto WKU just for their angry Grimace mascot.
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I'd rather have WKU than Southern Miss. 07-coffee3
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I agree with Topper1269 that we would never get an invite, but with our basketball about to explode! It would be fun to play against some of the AAC's best.
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(09-05-2016 12:40 PM)Inigo Wrote:  I'd veto WKU just for their angry Grimace mascot.

I like their mascot, it's growing me

who else is there in the east?

UMass? Southern Miss?

Why not grab Army and Western Kentucky ? I think WKU would beat some American ass
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