Great Article and Highly persuasive Arguments regarding the manner in which on field success at Southern Miss has been ignored. And, On Field Success should matter. Now, the rest of the story. TV Markets Matter! Alumni Support and Endowments Matter! Academic Rankings Matter! Commitment from your Governing Body Matters! Regional and National Reputation Matters! Proud to be in a conference with USM. Bet we're going to stay in one with you for at least another decade.

(08-31-2016 12:34 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I stopped reading about 3/4 down the page...hell that is a book. But what I took from it is the following...

1. Any fan/homer of any team can point out their highlights

2. 3/4 of the 3/4 I read was about the PAST

3. If the S. Miss brand was so much better than ODU, UNCC, FIU, ...big market schools our current contract would show it. What it does show is while schools in major markets didn't deliver. The same can be said for the "brand school"

4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

5. Not much about the current years (unless it's in the 1/4 I did not read)...last 5 is current to me. I would think 3-5 would be current to most sports fan.

S. Miss can't live on their past and build today off that credit. I say this because Western is the same in basketball. Make no mistake about it Western's basketball program at one time was light years ahead of where S. Miss football program ever was. Western truely had a national program up till the early to mid 80s.

Just like Western in basketball....S. Miss has not built on their past. Can't keep living off years no one outside of your fanbase cares about.

I look at it differently. USM has had the sustain success over the years to build a good winning program and to recover from a terrible hire.

WKU I just consider flash in the pan success so far. The stars aligned last year, when Doughty was granted another year and WKU got the UAB transfers, to plug major holes in their defense.

I'm not going to let you bait me mainly because I just don't have time for it right now...that flash in a pan has 5 and soon to be hopefully 6 7+ winning season in as many years. You can count on ONE HAND the G5 schools that can match that over the last 5 seasons

No where was I comparing Western football to S. Miss...

it was Western;s basketball program that has more conference championships than all but 3 schools. More wins than all but I believe 16 schools. Top 10 winning %. Ranked 11 times in the finial AP poll and a total of 111 weeks. Eight top 10 finishes in the AP poll,

The point was S. Miss has not built on their winning seasons and all of those are in the past. Just as Western did not build on our national basketball program....

You can only cash so many checks on your history....

The article brought the "PAST" up to show even when you beat the "big boys" they just reshuffle the deck and give you another reason why you aren't good enough to be included. MSU and Ole Miss were becoming USM's whipping boys in the late 70's and 80's so they both quit playing USM. Then when the SEC expanded and the BCS started everybody wanted USM in except 3 schools and I'll give you 1 guess who two of them were and those two lobbied the 3rd to vote with them to keep USM from getting the 8 votes needed. Even the fans from those schools we beat in the "past" would tell you that if USM got the welfare check that the BCS brought in to Ole Missy and MSUX the athletic programs at USM would among the nations top. Like UAB, La Tech and several others, it's hard to get any breaks when the system is rigged and you have to fight city hall, state capital and the TV executives.

(08-31-2016 02:15 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Great Article and Highly persuasive Arguments regarding the manner in which on field success at Southern Miss has been ignored. And, On Field Success should matter. Now, the rest of the story. TV Markets Matter! Alumni Support and Endowments Matter! Academic Rankings Matter! Commitment from your Governing Body Matters! Regional and National Reputation Matters! Proud to be in a conference with USM. Bet we're going to stay in one with you for at least another decade.

....and Rice has one bigger than Holmes CC...*that's a dual purpose porn reference for the dense*

it's too funny how money can drive the bus when they didn't have tuition until the late '60s and cannot spend based on 'law'.....

this shite just continues to crack me up....

evolution in today's world is akin to spices and tulips....

screw 'em all.....just win dammit!!!!

(08-31-2016 02:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 12:34 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I stopped reading about 3/4 down the page...hell that is a book. But what I took from it is the following...

1. Any fan/homer of any team can point out their highlights

2. 3/4 of the 3/4 I read was about the PAST

3. If the S. Miss brand was so much better than ODU, UNCC, FIU, ...big market schools our current contract would show it. What it does show is while schools in major markets didn't deliver. The same can be said for the "brand school"

4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

5. Not much about the current years (unless it's in the 1/4 I did not read)...last 5 is current to me. I would think 3-5 would be current to most sports fan.

S. Miss can't live on their past and build today off that credit. I say this because Western is the same in basketball. Make no mistake about it Western's basketball program at one time was light years ahead of where S. Miss football program ever was. Western truely had a national program up till the early to mid 80s.

Just like Western in basketball....S. Miss has not built on their past. Can't keep living off years no one outside of your fanbase cares about.

I look at it differently. USM has had the sustain success over the years to build a good winning program and to recover from a terrible hire.

WKU I just consider flash in the pan success so far. The stars aligned last year, when Doughty was granted another year and WKU got the UAB transfers, to plug major holes in their defense.

I'm not going to let you bait me mainly because I just don't have time for it right now...that flash in a pan has 5 and soon to be hopefully 6 7+ winning season in as many years. You can count on ONE HAND the G5 schools that can match that over the last 5 seasons

No where was I comparing Western football to S. Miss...

it was Western;s basketball program that has more conference championships than all but 3 schools. More wins than all but I believe 16 schools. Top 10 winning %. Ranked 11 times in the finial AP poll and a total of 111 weeks. Eight top 10 finishes in the AP poll,

The point was S. Miss has not built on their winning seasons and all of those are in the past. Just as Western did not build on our national basketball program....

You can only cash so many checks on your history....

wow...that is a shiteload of words coupled with an edit for not having any 'time on hand'

maybe you should still be playing corner if you're that 'quick'.....

to the young guns and the ammo that will soon be played out this weekend

IF any programs in the current C-USA had 1/2 the success in football USM has had, they would be using it to their "advantage", also....(IF there was actually any advantage to it.)

I can tellya Toolame and Tulsa can't draw flies in their High School stadiums....I remember only a few years back when Houston couldn't come close to filling their old campus stadium....I watch S. Florida on TV and the "crowds" are pitiful...UConn was a Div I-AA program not long ago and was given special privilege because of ESPN...and, well, what else can one "say"...

USM does not live in the past more than anyone else...we just have a "past" we are proud of...and IF that "past" was the 1930's, then some folks on here would have a point...but 3 screwed up seasons does not our history make...

(08-31-2016 02:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 12:34 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I stopped reading about 3/4 down the page...hell that is a book. But what I took from it is the following...

1. Any fan/homer of any team can point out their highlights

2. 3/4 of the 3/4 I read was about the PAST

3. If the S. Miss brand was so much better than ODU, UNCC, FIU, ...big market schools our current contract would show it. What it does show is while schools in major markets didn't deliver. The same can be said for the "brand school"

4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

5. Not much about the current years (unless it's in the 1/4 I did not read)...last 5 is current to me. I would think 3-5 would be current to most sports fan.

S. Miss can't live on their past and build today off that credit. I say this because Western is the same in basketball. Make no mistake about it Western's basketball program at one time was light years ahead of where S. Miss football program ever was. Western truely had a national program up till the early to mid 80s.

Just like Western in basketball....S. Miss has not built on their past. Can't keep living off years no one outside of your fanbase cares about.

I look at it differently. USM has had the sustain success over the years to build a good winning program and to recover from a terrible hire.

WKU I just consider flash in the pan success so far. The stars aligned last year, when Doughty was granted another year and WKU got the UAB transfers, to plug major holes in their defense.

I'm not going to let you bait me mainly because I just don't have time for it right now...that flash in a pan has 5 and soon to be hopefully 6 7+ winning season in as many years. You can count on ONE HAND the G5 schools that can match that over the last 5 seasons

No where was I comparing Western football to S. Miss...

it was Western;s basketball program that has more conference championships than all but 3 schools. More wins than all but I believe 16 schools. Top 10 winning %. Ranked 11 times in the finial AP poll and a total of 111 weeks. Eight top 10 finishes in the AP poll,

The point was S. Miss has not built on their winning seasons and all of those are in the past. Just as Western did not build on our national basketball program....

You can only cash so many checks on your history....

As you know any Sunbelt winning season isnt worth much if anything. Those dont count, just ask Arky state that went undefeated in the Sunbelt but got manhandled by Tech

We will see if WKU success can be maintained from last year if not well it will be view as flash in the pan season

(08-31-2016 05:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 02:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 12:34 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I stopped reading about 3/4 down the page...hell that is a book. But what I took from it is the following...

1. Any fan/homer of any team can point out their highlights

2. 3/4 of the 3/4 I read was about the PAST

3. If the S. Miss brand was so much better than ODU, UNCC, FIU, ...big market schools our current contract would show it. What it does show is while schools in major markets didn't deliver. The same can be said for the "brand school"

4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

5. Not much about the current years (unless it's in the 1/4 I did not read)...last 5 is current to me. I would think 3-5 would be current to most sports fan.

S. Miss can't live on their past and build today off that credit. I say this because Western is the same in basketball. Make no mistake about it Western's basketball program at one time was light years ahead of where S. Miss football program ever was. Western truely had a national program up till the early to mid 80s.

Just like Western in basketball....S. Miss has not built on their past. Can't keep living off years no one outside of your fanbase cares about.

I look at it differently. USM has had the sustain success over the years to build a good winning program and to recover from a terrible hire.

WKU I just consider flash in the pan success so far. The stars aligned last year, when Doughty was granted another year and WKU got the UAB transfers, to plug major holes in their defense.

I'm not going to let you bait me mainly because I just don't have time for it right now...that flash in a pan has 5 and soon to be hopefully 6 7+ winning season in as many years. You can count on ONE HAND the G5 schools that can match that over the last 5 seasons

No where was I comparing Western football to S. Miss...

it was Western;s basketball program that has more conference championships than all but 3 schools. More wins than all but I believe 16 schools. Top 10 winning %. Ranked 11 times in the finial AP poll and a total of 111 weeks. Eight top 10 finishes in the AP poll,

The point was S. Miss has not built on their winning seasons and all of those are in the past. Just as Western did not build on our national basketball program....

You can only cash so many checks on your history....

As you know any Sunbelt winning season isnt worth much if anything. Those dont count, just ask Arky state that went undefeated in the Sunbelt but got manhandled by Tech

We will see if WKU success can be maintained from last year if not well it will be view as flash in the pan season

the Sun Belt actually beat out CUSA the past few seasons that WKU was there. Since WKU moved to CUSA that trend followed us and CUSA had beat out the Belt head to head. The Belt had been decently strong .... With FIU FAU ARKST MT ULL ULM TROY NT all field strong teams most seasons.

(08-31-2016 10:42 AM)Noodles Wrote:  The Case for Southern Miss

Very good read. SMTTT

Great article.

I'm a pretty old native born Memphian. My dad was a traveling salesman with big chunks of the south as his territory--TN, KY, MS, AL, GA, FL--and a big football fan who'd always talk college football with his customers in the 50s and 60s. He held a soft spot for Mississippi Southern and I was raised up hearing stories about how much respect they had from all the southern college fans and how everyone of the biggies was scared to play them.

Too bad that "deserving" has nothing to do with realignment.

The problem with CUSA is that teams that were decent to good in CUSA 2.0 in the years immediately preceding the tv deal (UTEP, Rice save 2013, USM until last year, and the UAB debacle hurt us terribly... Then, most of the adds have not come as advertised have fallen flat on their faces... UNT, UTSA, FIU, FAU, Charlotte, and ODU. Now due to the upper teams' performances in conference and attaining national ranking for our top team, we have managed to stay ahead of the belt...

But tv views us as incredibly unstable.. Unlike other g5s... We have to win ooc.. Period. We can't add 8 teams and have 5 not produce... WKU, MTSU and LaTech have helped keep us above the basement..but others have to win our G5 games..including Marshall.

(08-31-2016 06:32 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 05:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 02:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 12:34 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I stopped reading about 3/4 down the page...hell that is a book. But what I took from it is the following...

1. Any fan/homer of any team can point out their highlights

2. 3/4 of the 3/4 I read was about the PAST

3. If the S. Miss brand was so much better than ODU, UNCC, FIU, ...big market schools our current contract would show it. What it does show is while schools in major markets didn't deliver. The same can be said for the "brand school"

4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

5. Not much about the current years (unless it's in the 1/4 I did not read)...last 5 is current to me. I would think 3-5 would be current to most sports fan.

S. Miss can't live on their past and build today off that credit. I say this because Western is the same in basketball. Make no mistake about it Western's basketball program at one time was light years ahead of where S. Miss football program ever was. Western truely had a national program up till the early to mid 80s.

Just like Western in basketball....S. Miss has not built on their past. Can't keep living off years no one outside of your fanbase cares about.

I look at it differently. USM has had the sustain success over the years to build a good winning program and to recover from a terrible hire.

WKU I just consider flash in the pan success so far. The stars aligned last year, when Doughty was granted another year and WKU got the UAB transfers, to plug major holes in their defense.

I'm not going to let you bait me mainly because I just don't have time for it right now...that flash in a pan has 5 and soon to be hopefully 6 7+ winning season in as many years. You can count on ONE HAND the G5 schools that can match that over the last 5 seasons

No where was I comparing Western football to S. Miss...

it was Western;s basketball program that has more conference championships than all but 3 schools. More wins than all but I believe 16 schools. Top 10 winning %. Ranked 11 times in the finial AP poll and a total of 111 weeks. Eight top 10 finishes in the AP poll,

The point was S. Miss has not built on their winning seasons and all of those are in the past. Just as Western did not build on our national basketball program....

You can only cash so many checks on your history....

As you know any Sunbelt winning season isnt worth much if anything. Those dont count, just ask Arky state that went undefeated in the Sunbelt but got manhandled by Tech

We will see if WKU success can be maintained from last year if not well it will be view as flash in the pan season

the Sun Belt actually beat out CUSA the past few seasons that WKU was there. Since WKU moved to CUSA that trend followed us and CUSA had beat out the Belt head to head. The Belt had been decently strong .... With FIU FAU ARKST MT ULL ULM TROY NT all field strong teams most seasons.

? Just looked it up 2009, 2010, 2011 Sunbelt was last as usual. CUSA was better all those years, much better in 2011. Anomaly year was 2012.

Ironically the WAC was always rated higher than the Sunbelt and was the best G5 in 2012 the last year of existence for the WAC

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  4. pointing out teams S. Miss beat in long ago years and trying to get the glory as if those wins came against the team they are today...well they're not. TCU and Baylor and UofL are not the same programs today as when S. Miss beat them.

1. That TCU team in 03 was pretty stout. Wouldn't expect you to realize that, as you probably didn't watch C-USA football back then. You know, because it wasn't "big time football"

2. The point of the article is this. When these schools had the same resources as USM, we were beating them on a regular basis....Even beat teams with more resources fairly often. Those schools leave, get better resources, and look what happens.


Lest we forget that we could/should have beat UL in 2012.....You know, the same season we went 0-12 and UL went to the Orange Bowl.

The point is the same as what USM fans have told MSU and Ole Miss all of these years. Give us the same advantages these other schools have (TV/bowl money), and watch what happens. I think it's fairly common knowledge to educated college football fans that USM has done more with less, for much longer, than any other school in this nation. You can try and refute that if you'd like, but you'd probably reach a dead end searching for your rebuttal.

(09-01-2016 02:05 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  ? Just looked it up 2009, 2010, 2011 Sunbelt was last as usual. CUSA was better all those years, much better in 2011. Anomaly year was 2012.

And what happened to USM in 2012? Proof that USM is the most vital/important program in C-USA regarding football.

Would love to move to the AAC with USM

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