(08-31-2016 01:40 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:50 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 11:44 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  This was my thought as well.

I think any notion that Arkansas and South Carolina haven't been integrated is overblown at best. Everybody deals with things that annoy them about other college fans. It's one of the things that's so much fun about these sports. Our schools represent communities and institutions rather than billionaires and unions. When flawed human beings deal with other flawed human beings, we tend to get on each other nerves. It's life, but it's not that big of a deal.

That and there's the fact that every college fan in the nation is thoroughly biased. We take every slight personally and magnify every positive.

I've lived in Alabama all my life and I've never met a soul that thought Arkansas or South Carolina didn't belong in the league. Every now and then you run into someone like that online, but the internet is a place where people can express ideas anonymously without repercussions for the most part. That and it offers a voice to people who might not otherwise have one. If we judged society by every idea expressed online then we'd have no logical recourse but to conclude our entire society and the world as a whole was on the brink of implosion for any one of a million complementary or contradictory reasons. Take your pick whichever one you want to focus on. Every persuasion in the book has their own doomsday scenario.

Texas A&M and Missouri are the new guys on the block and it will take some time for everyone to get used to them. For the most part, I think that's already occurred. I've been a little bit baffled at the backlash to Mizzou, however, but when it comes down to it the only reason any SEC fan is bothered by their inclusion is because Missouri isn't really viewed as a Southern state. The SEC has always been about cultural cohesion and there's nothing wrong with that, but there's nothing wrong with a fresh perspective every now and then either. The country is becoming more culturally uniform. For good or ill, it's happening and there's really nothing that can be done to stop it. That's assuming it would be a good idea to stop it in the first place. So when a league like the SEC starts reaching into the Plains states for members, it might seem a little odd at first, but the people from state to state aren't that different. One would need to travel to a foreign country, other than Canada, to experience a fundamentally different culture. We're really not going to find it by traveling across state lines. There are differences, yes, but we are far more alike than not.

The only real holdouts to change are going to be the old school guys that are used to doing things a certain way. Whenever the established pattern gets upset then that person tends to bristle because change was not desired. Again, it's life. Change is the only constant. Anyway, everybody will get over it eventually.

I think it's highly unlikely that we would take 6 Big 12 schools, but it is fun to think about. That and it wouldn't happen for another 8 years anyway. By that time Mizzou and A&M will have been around for 12 years, Arkansas and South Carolina for 32. Probably about half the fans of the league will not have even been born in a time before the 92 expansion. Just like a couple of generations have passed since Georgia Tech left...it becomes a matter of history more than memory.

Missouri is more "southern" than you might think. We grow tobacco, cotton, and watermelons. We have a ton of hillbillies too. lol We border Tennessee and Arkansas, and located 66 miles from MS. Then there are those two extra stars on the rebel battle flag, for "occupied" KY and MO. Just saying you can make the cultural case for inclusion in the SEC. I think we may be the end of the line geographically and culturally though.

I'm right there with you. I just think most people don't think "Southern" when they think of the state of Missouri. It's a blending of Southern culture and Midwestern culture. Nothing wrong with that of course.

I for one and am very happy to have Mizzou on board.

True. Northern Missouri is polar opposite to Southern Missouri. If you all heard my family's accents you would be sold. lol. I think Midwest values pretty much parallel Southern values... God, country, guns, and family.

All about perspective, my wife and her family from Minnesota refer to Kansas City as "the south"...while I mostly grew up in Oklahoma and wouldn't even call Oklahoma "the south"

Your wife and her family are crazy. I was born, raised, and live in Minnesota and I've never met someone that thinks KC is the south. KC is the Midwest.

(09-01-2016 10:01 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:40 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:50 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri is more "southern" than you might think. We grow tobacco, cotton, and watermelons. We have a ton of hillbillies too. lol We border Tennessee and Arkansas, and located 66 miles from MS. Then there are those two extra stars on the rebel battle flag, for "occupied" KY and MO. Just saying you can make the cultural case for inclusion in the SEC. I think we may be the end of the line geographically and culturally though.

I'm right there with you. I just think most people don't think "Southern" when they think of the state of Missouri. It's a blending of Southern culture and Midwestern culture. Nothing wrong with that of course.

I for one and am very happy to have Mizzou on board.

True. Northern Missouri is polar opposite to Southern Missouri. If you all heard my family's accents you would be sold. lol. I think Midwest values pretty much parallel Southern values... God, country, guns, and family.

All about perspective, my wife and her family from Minnesota refer to Kansas City as "the south"...while I mostly grew up in Oklahoma and wouldn't even call Oklahoma "the south"

Your wife and her family are crazy. I was born, raised, and live in Minnesota and I've never met someone that thinks KC is the south. KC is the Midwest.

Trust me I find it hilarious, they are from northern MN so maybe that adds to it...who knows. I've also heard them refer to someone from just a bit south of Columbus, OH as southern.

(09-01-2016 02:15 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 10:01 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:40 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I'm right there with you. I just think most people don't think "Southern" when they think of the state of Missouri. It's a blending of Southern culture and Midwestern culture. Nothing wrong with that of course.

I for one and am very happy to have Mizzou on board.

True. Northern Missouri is polar opposite to Southern Missouri. If you all heard my family's accents you would be sold. lol. I think Midwest values pretty much parallel Southern values... God, country, guns, and family.

All about perspective, my wife and her family from Minnesota refer to Kansas City as "the south"...while I mostly grew up in Oklahoma and wouldn't even call Oklahoma "the south"

Your wife and her family are crazy. I was born, raised, and live in Minnesota and I've never met someone that thinks KC is the south. KC is the Midwest.

Trust me I find it hilarious, they are from northern MN so maybe that adds to it...who knows. I've also heard them refer to someone from just a bit south of Columbus, OH as southern.

Well, then I guess is you live in Minneapolis / St. Paul you are Canadian!

(09-01-2016 02:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 02:15 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 10:01 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:40 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  True. Northern Missouri is polar opposite to Southern Missouri. If you all heard my family's accents you would be sold. lol. I think Midwest values pretty much parallel Southern values... God, country, guns, and family.

All about perspective, my wife and her family from Minnesota refer to Kansas City as "the south"...while I mostly grew up in Oklahoma and wouldn't even call Oklahoma "the south"

Your wife and her family are crazy. I was born, raised, and live in Minnesota and I've never met someone that thinks KC is the south. KC is the Midwest.

Trust me I find it hilarious, they are from northern MN so maybe that adds to it...who knows. I've also heard them refer to someone from just a bit south of Columbus, OH as southern.

Well, then I guess is you live in Minneapolis / St. Paul you are Canadian!

Seems fair to me

(09-01-2016 02:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 02:15 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 10:01 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:40 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:48 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  True. Northern Missouri is polar opposite to Southern Missouri. If you all heard my family's accents you would be sold. lol. I think Midwest values pretty much parallel Southern values... God, country, guns, and family.

All about perspective, my wife and her family from Minnesota refer to Kansas City as "the south"...while I mostly grew up in Oklahoma and wouldn't even call Oklahoma "the south"

Your wife and her family are crazy. I was born, raised, and live in Minnesota and I've never met someone that thinks KC is the south. KC is the Midwest.

Trust me I find it hilarious, they are from northern MN so maybe that adds to it...who knows. I've also heard them refer to someone from just a bit south of Columbus, OH as southern.

Well, then I guess is you live in Minneapolis / St. Paul you are Canadian!

Twin cities resident here. I like it up here but I hoping to move down to Texas. I could get a bigger place and have cheaper taxes.

To bounce back to TCUfrog, I think everyone up in northern Minnesota considers everyone south of Duluth to be Southerns so that checks out haha.

I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Yeah, unfortunately politics do play a major role in college athletics. The most recent example is Houston being considered for the Big 12. Several others in the past. Whatever happens, I just hope it happens soon so we can enjoy some stable college football for a while.

(09-01-2016 03:37 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Yeah, unfortunately politics do play a major role in college athletics. The most recent example is Houston being considered for the Big 12. Several others in the past. Whatever happens, I just hope it happens soon so we can enjoy some stable college football for a while.

If it is stability you want, the game of music chairs for the P5 teams truly stops dead if (when?) this happens:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

Other Definite Megaconferences: B1G+Pac-12+UCONN+ND+BC+Cuse
Plausible Other Megaconferences: SE Sun Belt + SE C-USA + SE AAC || MWC + Gulf Sun Belt + Gulf C-USA + Gulf AAC + Plausible FCS callups (NDSU/Montana/etc)
Surviving Largely Unchanged: MAC
Surviving Independents: Service Academies

- Nobody screwed over, everybody still in, everybody makes more money. This also means no political moves to stop/change things.
- IDEAL conference scheduling. You can have 4 division games and 4 teams with a bye, or 4 division games and 2 crossover games.
- Spring game replaced by exhibition game against FCS that does not count against standings. Game sold as part of season ticket sales at near game prices.
- No more games against FCS during the regular season.
- Out of conference scheduling would likely creep down to just one game a year (a big pre-season game at a neutral site or OOC rivalry) to maximize TV inventory and minimize scheduling costs by eliminating "paycheck" games and expensive cancellation replacements.
- The two megaconferences have four TV channels dedicated just to them with divisional representative HQ locations
--- ACC/SEC/Big12: Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte
--- B1G/Pac12/ND/BC/UCONN/Cuse: New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, (Denver/Seattle/Boston/San Francisco)

... How convenient that there are already ESPN and FOX studios in nearly all of those cities ...

(09-01-2016 03:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:37 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Yeah, unfortunately politics do play a major role in college athletics. The most recent example is Houston being considered for the Big 12. Several others in the past. Whatever happens, I just hope it happens soon so we can enjoy some stable college football for a while.

If it is stability you want, the game of music chairs for the P5 teams truly stops dead if (when?) this happens:

#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

Other Definite Megaconferences: B1G+Pac-12+UCONN+ND+BC+Cuse
Plausible Other Megaconferences: SE Sun Belt + SE C-USA + SE AAC || MWC + Gulf Sun Belt + Gulf C-USA + Gulf AAC + Plausible FCS callups (NDSU/Montana/etc)
Surviving Largely Unchanged: MAC
Surviving Independents: Service Academies

- Nobody screwed over, everybody still in, everybody makes more money. This also means no political moves to stop/change things.
- IDEAL conference scheduling. You can have 4 division games and 4 teams with a bye, or 4 division games and 2 crossover games.
- Spring game replaced by exhibition game against FCS that does not count against standings. Game sold as part of season ticket sales at near game prices.
- No more games against FCS during the regular season.
- Out of conference scheduling would likely creep down to just one game a year (a big pre-season game at a neutral site or OOC rivalry) to maximize TV inventory and minimize scheduling costs by eliminating "paycheck" games and expensive cancellation replacements.
- The two megaconferences have four TV channels dedicated just to them with divisional representative HQ locations
--- ACC/SEC/Big12: Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte
--- B1G/Pac12/ND/BC/UCONN/Cuse: New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, (Denver/Seattle/Boston/San Francisco)

... How convenient that there are already ESPN and FOX studios in nearly all of those cities ...

So 4 divisions within each Mega Conference. That would make for an 8 team playoff for the National Championship? Also, what would the old G-5 (The other Mega conference or the MAC) get out of it? Do we just toss them the same thing a bowl game no chance at a playoff or is it going to be rankings based?

Looks big but as I said before if things aren't staying the same then I will choice stability everytime. I just wonder how the post season/bowls would look.

(09-01-2016 04:10 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  So 4 divisions within each Mega Conference. That would make for an 8 team playoff for the National Championship? Also, what would the old G-5 (The other Mega conference or the MAC) get out of it? Do we just toss them the same thing a bowl game no chance at a playoff or is it going to be rankings based?

Looks big but as I said before if things aren't staying the same then I will choice stability everytime. I just wonder how the post season/bowls would look.

16 team playoff, just like with FCS.

Each division champ in the power megaconferences are autobid => 8 teams.

If G5 conferences remain unchanged ... autobid from any undefeated G5.

If the G5 reorganizes into megaconferences, then they can get conference based autobids. I could see that rule leading to a world where the G5 becomes two megaconferences:
1) MAC + NE AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt + MWC
2) SE/Gulf AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt

The service academies could go either way or broker a deal between them to stay independent.

Fill remaining slots at large by committee.



So, ultimately what the G5 gets out of it is:
- Increased revenue due to above restructuring of rules/pre-season/etc
- If they're willing to play ball and form their own megaconferences, they get the bonuses of:
--- Guaranteed playoff access and thus a guaranteed big paycheck
--- Guaranteed national exposure via playoff
--- Guaranteed big time game against big boys via playoff
--- Decreased travel costs
--- Increased gate/TV revenue due to better more regional schedule

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I see allllllllll these threads you guys are doing about how you can grab the most desirable parts of the Big 12 and/or ACC and/or where-ever else.

Just remember ... your moves have to pass political muster as well. And that means anybody you DON'T choose cannot have the political power and/or influence to get state / federal politicians involved. Of particular note is if you screw over a major state school while putting the other state school at a big advantage. So keep that in mind.

(This is also why I toss out my megaconference layout so often ... it doesn't screw over ANYBODY, and EVERYBODY gets dramatically more money.)

Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

Medic, I'm not anti Mizzou. I welcomed a bunch of them their first year when they came to Auburn for a baseball series. They were enthusiastic, nice folks. But you have to understand that until Missouri there was no conversation anywhere that any of our schools were unhappy or preferred to be somewhere else. That's not the kind of press you want. And only recently have some old Hogs aired views to the contrary and then they are simply longing for old rivals which I get.

(09-01-2016 11:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

Medic, I'm not anti Mizzou. I welcomed a bunch of them their first year when they came to Auburn for a baseball series. They were enthusiastic, nice folks. But you have to understand that until Missouri there was no conversation anywhere that any of our schools were unhappy or preferred to be somewhere else. That's not the kind of press you want. And only recently have some old Hogs aired views to the contrary and then they are simply longing for old rivals which I get.

Old hogs die off I guess. Not sure if you were referring to old Mizzou leaders, or Arkansas folks. They lost the battle anyway. Missouri voted to join the SEC, and it was decided by the majority of the leaders. There will always be a few. There were probably a few A&M leaders fussing about leaving the Big XII, and I might be wrong. Anyway, lets play football.

(09-01-2016 11:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

Medic, I'm not anti Mizzou. I welcomed a bunch of them their first year when they came to Auburn for a baseball series. They were enthusiastic, nice folks. But you have to understand that until Missouri there was no conversation anywhere that any of our schools were unhappy or preferred to be somewhere else. That's not the kind of press you want. And only recently have some old Hogs aired views to the contrary and then they are simply longing for old rivals which I get.

I've actually noticed some Arkansas fans wanting to be a part of the Big 12 going back several years. I think that had something to do with geography and rejoining old SWC rivals was a part of it too. I haven't heard much of that since the Big 12 started to break apart and basically nothing since Mizzou and A&M joined although I'm sure there are a few out there that would prefer to be a part of a Midwestern/Mid-South league.

This is actually one of the reasons I wanted those 6 from the Big 12. I think incorporating an entire region is better for cohesion than simply tapping a region.

The core of the SEC has been together so long that we forget that some of these other schools just don't have the longevity. It's not just that they formerly played different rivals, they are used to playing schools that are closer. For a long time we were the most geographically compact league there was. Now we are spreading out a little more like everyone else. We may need to spread out a little more for everyone to be comfortable.

(09-01-2016 11:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Occam's Razor: We move to 16 before we form leagues. It is why I consider Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC to be viable at some point. It's why I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC landing two brands from the Big 12 and leaving others behind.

But GTS the ending of the GOR in the Big 12 could be a more politically friendly way for things to end for some of them. At least the ACC has extended their's which is what has the fuss kicked up in Austin.

Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

Medic, I'm not anti Mizzou. I welcomed a bunch of them their first year when they came to Auburn for a baseball series. They were enthusiastic, nice folks. But you have to understand that until Missouri there was no conversation anywhere that any of our schools were unhappy or preferred to be somewhere else. That's not the kind of press you want. And only recently have some old Hogs aired views to the contrary and then they are simply longing for old rivals which I get.

The SEC schools have not relocated to another to any other conference so I am sure the integration process into another conference is something they will probably never have to go through. I heard it took Arky and USC a while to get fully integrated. It will happen as time moves on.

(09-02-2016 07:07 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 11:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Jr, you mentioned some Missouri leaders still longing for the B1G, and while there may be a few, there are many more at OU who actually look down at the SEC. If Missouri is a problem, as you have eluded to, can you imagine the uproar with OU?

That's going to be true of any big brand added at this time. It's also why taking Okie State would help shut them up a bit. But you are correct. OU will be divided no matter where they go. And I might add because so many want to leave the Big 12 they are divided even if they stay.

Takes time to fully integrate into a new conference. I have not really heard much about Missouri and the B1G, except for the posters here that want to trade us to the B1G. lol I believe a lot of Mizzou fans were nervous at first about being accepted by the SEC. I guess the SEC was a little concerned about some Missouri hard line B1Gers. From what I have seen and heard, the fans are getting along great on game day. Lot of excitement for the SEC. Missouri was a member of their old conference for 100 years. I do not see them jumping ship anytime soon. Have a great holiday weekend.

Medic, I'm not anti Mizzou. I welcomed a bunch of them their first year when they came to Auburn for a baseball series. They were enthusiastic, nice folks. But you have to understand that until Missouri there was no conversation anywhere that any of our schools were unhappy or preferred to be somewhere else. That's not the kind of press you want. And only recently have some old Hogs aired views to the contrary and then they are simply longing for old rivals which I get.

I've actually noticed some Arkansas fans wanting to be a part of the Big 12 going back several years. I think that had something to do with geography and rejoining old SWC rivals was a part of it too. I haven't heard much of that since the Big 12 started to break apart and basically nothing since Mizzou and A&M joined although I'm sure there are a few out there that would prefer to be a part of a Midwestern/Mid-South league.

This is actually one of the reasons I wanted those 6 from the Big 12. I think incorporating an entire region is better for cohesion than simply tapping a region.

The core of the SEC has been together so long that we forget that some of these other schools just don't have the longevity. It's not just that they formerly played different rivals, they are used to playing schools that are closer. For a long time we were the most geographically compact league there was. Now we are spreading out a little more like everyone else. We may need to spread out a little more for everyone to be comfortable.

Our road trips got much longer when the old SWC schools joined the Big 8. We have some close schools in the SEC. Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, MS, and Ky. The others are just about as close to Missouri as Austin, College Station, and Lubbock. I see your point though.

I do think that cultural cohesiveness has been an essential part of the SEC's strength. Missouri is not a bad fit - in fact, I think it's a good fit for the SEC, the B1G, and the Big 12/Whatever-form-a-plains-conference-takes. The fact that it could fit well in 3 different scenarios does mean that there may be some who are more comfortable in one or two more than another, but it's still a good fit. I think it's particularly energized the football side of their fanbase - we'll see how well Odom can maintain/build on Pinkle's success.