If Cincinnati leaves, there's no guarantee its replacement will be in the Midwest.

If Houston leaves, my bet on a replacement would be Rice. Same market, biggest athletic budget in CUSA, and strong existing relationship with SMU, Tulane and Tulsa.

2017 AAC is 2016 AAC. Moves could happen in 2018, but 2017 is not practical for going to the Big12 and even less for leaving CUSA for the American.

(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  If Cincinnati leaves, there's no guarantee its replacement will be in the Midwest.

Given Cinci's position on the border bewteen the Miidwest and bordrr South, there isn't an equivalent replacement available. Indeed, in major conference terms, it is in the boundary between Big Ten and SEC country. Which is more to the point, it wouldn't be all that useful to any of the remaining members of the American Eastern division to have an outpost somewhere embedded within and surrounded by the Big Ten.

I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

(08-29-2016 03:09 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Not sure if UConn will be there -- could be in P5 -- but I would add Army, Rice and Air Force if needed.

Might work for the College Bowl - do they still have that academic quiz show?

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

And how many times is Miami brought up in realignment as a potential candidate?

Zero

Also football is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of business. Miami hasn't been relevant in ages... a Bowling Green fan or Toledo fan can come in here and have an argument that holds water, a Miami fan cannot. Now shoo fly, don't bother me

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(08-29-2016 02:59 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 02:15 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 02:14 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  If its Cincy gone, then I think we see NIU added instead of ODU.

Why would that be a factor?

Replace a Midwestern school with the most deserving Midwestern school left

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That's the obvious logic........

Why would that matter?

(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  If Cincinnati leaves, there's no guarantee its replacement will be in the Midwest.

I'd go further: I'd suggest it is unlikely. Why pick up a team in the MAC's footprint when the nearest conference rival would be in Memphis or Tulsa?

(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  If Cincinnati leaves, there's no guarantee its replacement will be in the Midwest.

You're right but did you read this thread thinking you were going to get guarantees? Sorry but you'll get everyone's guesses. Some based upon geographic logic, some athletic performance, some are heavy on the academic qualifications and for some there is no logic at all other than just some home team rah rah. For me, I'm just killing time until I leave for Memphis on Friday for the opener. Go Tigers!

(08-29-2016 04:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

And how many times is Miami brought up in realignment as a potential candidate?

Zero

Also football is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of business. Miami hasn't been relevant in ages... a Bowling Green fan or Toledo fan can come in here and have an argument that holds water, a Miami fan cannot. Now shoo fly, don't bother me

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And how many times is NIU brought up in alignment by anybody except you? Or your school hoping and hoping. A Eastern Illinois could have applied to Big 12 the way they were doing it.

Look, I know you are the assistant to the assistant's assistant of the NIU ticket sales rep. and think you have some insight, but you really are just in-to-wishing more than intuition.

Admit Illinois State is preferred by Comcast SportsNet Chicago all-day, everyday and they have more support on Chicago. NIU's attendance reflects that. If NIU's attendance is this dismal now during their greatest run ever, what happens once NIU reverts back to their historic norm?

.

(08-29-2016 05:03 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

And how many times is Miami brought up in realignment as a potential candidate?

Zero

Also football is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of business. Miami hasn't been relevant in ages... a Bowling Green fan or Toledo fan can come in here and have an argument that holds water, a Miami fan cannot. Now shoo fly, don't bother me

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And how many times is NIU brought up in alignment by anybody except you? Or your school hoping and hoping. A Eastern Illinois could have applied to Big 12 the way they were doing it.

Look, I know you are the assistant to the assistant's assistant of the NIU ticket sales rep. and think you have some insight, but you really are just in-to-wishing more than intuition.

Admit Illinois State is preferred by Comcast SportsNet Chicago all-day, everyday and they have more support on Chicago. NIU's attendance reflects that. If NIU's attendance is this dismal now during their greatest run ever, what happens once NIU reverts back to their historic norm?

.

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(08-29-2016 02:20 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Connecticut
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa

Agreed. No change for 2017. Probably no change until 2025.

(08-29-2016 05:03 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

And how many times is Miami brought up in realignment as a potential candidate?

Zero

Also football is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of business. Miami hasn't been relevant in ages... a Bowling Green fan or Toledo fan can come in here and have an argument that holds water, a Miami fan cannot. Now shoo fly, don't bother me

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And how many times is NIU brought up in alignment by anybody except you? Or your school hoping and hoping. A Eastern Illinois could have applied to Big 12 the way they were doing it.

Look, I know you are the assistant to the assistant's assistant of the NIU ticket sales rep. and think you have some insight, but you really are just in-to-wishing more than intuition.

Admit Illinois State is preferred by Comcast SportsNet Chicago all-day, everyday and they have more support on Chicago. NIU's attendance reflects that. If NIU's attendance is this dismal now during their greatest run ever, what happens once NIU reverts back to their historic norm?

.

Again, NIU's attendance was spectacular until the MAC made us play our biggest games at 6 PM on Tuesday's. Our attendance to this day is excellent for weekend games and back when we played all our games on Friday or the weekend we had one of if not the highest attendances in our conference. I don't care which G5 you root for, good luck getting fans in the stands on Tuesday night at 6pm. Let alone when it's 25 degrees outside.

Also, Comcast sportsnet doesn't have a deal with NIU, we have a deal with ESPN. Also, Illinois State....HAHAHAHAHHAHHAA

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

8 - 9 all time against NIU and 1 - 7 since 2000.

http://www.winsipedia.com/northern-illinois/vs/miami-oh

(08-29-2016 06:30 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 04:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I can't see how NIU could be a serious candidate, their attendance is atrocious even while winning and they don't carry the Chicago market whatsoever. Illinois State has more hold on Chicago market and better school. Comcast SportsNet Chicago always has ISU games and rarely NIU.

Don't worry, we'll smack your program around one more time before we move on to bigger and better things =)

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Just stating the obvious.

Btw, what is Miami's all-time record vs NIU? Who has more championships (you can even count Big West champs)? Who has won more bowl games?

Yep, Miami

.

8 - 9 all time against NIU and 1 - 7 since 2000.

http://www.winsipedia.com/northern-illinois/vs/miami-oh

Burn

I think the key stat to look at for potential schools for the American is athletic budgets. What are schools spending in order to move up? NIU didn't even have a $30 million operating budget for this past year ($27 million), where the lowest school budget in the AAC was still $43 million (Memphis). Old Dominion has/had a larger athletic budget, nearing $44 million, as does UMass ($36 million), Boise State ($43 million), and Army ($41 million).

Even if the AAC doesn't lose any members, they still have established themselves as the "on-deck" conference - a league that presents opportunity when that opportunity is taken advantage of. In order to do that, you need to be able to spend on facilities, coaches and other amenities to make yourself favorable to the P5.

NIU, according to the numbers, has not done that - despite their success in football. NIU finished behind Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Miami, Buffalo, Akron, Ohio and Central Michigan in national athletic budgets. They are not even in the top half of their own league at the moment in spending. That, to me, would be a significant red flag for the AAC.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

(08-29-2016 06:42 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I think the key stat to look at for potential schools for the American is athletic budgets. What are schools spending in order to move up? NIU didn't even have a $30 million operating budget for this past year ($27 million), where the lowest school budget in the AAC was still $43 million (Memphis). Old Dominion has/had a larger athletic budget, nearing $44 million, as does UMass ($36 million), Boise State ($43 million), and Army ($41 million).

Even if the AAC doesn't lose any members, they still have established themselves as the "on-deck" conference - a league that presents opportunity when that opportunity is taken advantage of. In order to do that, you need to be able to spend on facilities, coaches and other amenities to make yourself favorable to the P5.

NIU, according to the numbers, has not done that - despite their success in football. NIU finished behind Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Miami, Buffalo, Akron, Ohio and Central Michigan in national athletic budgets. They are not even in the top half of their own league at the moment in spending. That, to me, would be a significant red flag for the AAC.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I am not a fan of adding NIU (or any other school) to AAC if we were to lose couple of schools. In defense of NIU, however, the budget argument is the same argument that AAC schools including Memphis makes when talking about joining the B12. I do believe that if UC, UH or Memphis joins the B12, there budget will increase to be competitive in the B12. Similarly I believe NIU over time will increase their budget if they were given the opportunity to join AAC.
As far as what AAC should do if we were to lose couple of schools, lets say Cincy and Houston, then I would prefer for us to stay put at 10 for football and add Wichita State for basketball only.

(08-29-2016 06:42 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I think the key stat to look at for potential schools for the American is athletic budgets. What are schools spending in order to move up? NIU didn't even have a $30 million operating budget for this past year ($27 million), where the lowest school budget in the AAC was still $43 million (Memphis).

This is why some schools are more or less saying they aren't interested in the American. Buffalo sent that signal to the Buffalo News in a story published this past week. Marshall basically said as much this week.

I don't see how Northern Illinois would pursue this when Buffalo and Marshall are basically saying they can't afford it.