"ACC could be one of the nation's strongest football conferences, with Clemson, Florida State leading way" - LA Times.

"There's still a gap between ACC football and SEC football, but it's definitely shrinking." - Bleacher Report

Poll: What do you think the ACC's future ceiling is as a football conference?
* Contend with SEC for #1 conference in CFB: 55.5%
* Become a clear-cut #2 behind the SEC: 30.5%
* Compete with B1G, Big XII and Pac-12 for #2: 11.0%
* #3 or lower in terms of power conferences: 3.0%

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...t-acc.html

Clemson and FSU are undeniably "there"

It's also undeniable that the ACC made some big splash coaching hires this off season - even at key schools like VT and Miami

I have a hard time seeing the ACC w/o at least 3 elite schools + ND and 4-5 solid good programs.

(08-29-2016 11:48 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Clemson and FSU are undeniably "there"

It's also undeniable that the ACC made some big splash coaching hires this off season - even at key schools like VT and Miami

I have a hard time seeing the ACC w/o at least 3 elite schools + ND and 4-5 solid good programs.

Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

Kiss of Death:

Quote:"The ACC is actually ... wait for it ... favored in two of the three ACC-SEC matchups that highlight Kickoff Week. But I am here to tell you the oddsmakers are wrong. Because the ACC teams will sweep their SEC opponents. How is that for a statement?"

- Andrea Adelson, ESPN

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

(08-30-2016 05:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

I could go into a long winded reply but here's a perfect article for you to read and maybe understand what I am talking about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18783...ll-program

Unless you are going to try and tell me that there was a will to win in football at Duke between the Spurrier and Cutcliffe eras.

(08-30-2016 05:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

I could go into a long winded reply but here's a perfect article for you to read and maybe understand what I am talking about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18783...ll-program

Unless you are going to try and tell me that there was a will to win in football at Duke between the Spurrier and Cutcliffe eras.

Can you win more games by going from totally deemphasizing and underfunding football to emphasizing and funding it? Sure but how do you improve from there? Will Duke or NCSU win more games by paying their coaches more or renovating their football buildings? NCSU just built a nice indoor practice facility. How many wins is that worth? Talking about winning more games being a question of "will" is about as simplistic as saying one team won a game because "they wanted it more."

(08-30-2016 09:41 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

I could go into a long winded reply but here's a perfect article for you to read and maybe understand what I am talking about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18783...ll-program

Unless you are going to try and tell me that there was a will to win in football at Duke between the Spurrier and Cutcliffe eras.

Can you win more games by going from totally deemphasizing and underfunding football to emphasizing and funding it? Sure but how do you improve from there? Will Duke or NCSU win more games by paying their coaches more or renovating their football buildings? NCSU just built a nice indoor practice facility. How many wins is that worth? Talking about winning more games being a question of "will" is about as simplistic as saying one team won a game because "they wanted it more."

When Duke emphasized basketball and poured resources many years ago, where did they go from there?

(08-31-2016 07:24 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:41 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

I could go into a long winded reply but here's a perfect article for you to read and maybe understand what I am talking about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18783...ll-program

Unless you are going to try and tell me that there was a will to win in football at Duke between the Spurrier and Cutcliffe eras.

Can you win more games by going from totally deemphasizing and underfunding football to emphasizing and funding it? Sure but how do you improve from there? Will Duke or NCSU win more games by paying their coaches more or renovating their football buildings? NCSU just built a nice indoor practice facility. How many wins is that worth? Talking about winning more games being a question of "will" is about as simplistic as saying one team won a game because "they wanted it more."

When Duke emphasized basketball and poured resources many years ago, where did they go from there?

Duke always emphasized basketball. They had already been to four final fours before Coach K got there. That history is why Duke is in the top four in all time basketball wins.

Do you think any school could have Duke's basketball success or Clemson's football success just by throwing money at the problem?

For success in college athletics money is needed, to be sure, but there are other things that are even more important such as strong alumni and student interest in a sports team and a history of success in that sport. It's very hard to create that history of success. That's why the history of success built at Va. Tech and FSU in football in recent decades is so impressive. They started from nothing. Building that kind of success takes a lot of luck. You can't just do it by shoveling money into a program.

While it is true that you can't buy football tradition, you can certainly kill it by not feeding it. Don't "throw" money at it; do invest wisely over a period of many years.

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(08-30-2016 09:41 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:09 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville and Miami have the potential to jump and be consistent top 15 teams if not more

They and several others have always had the ability. What they have lacked is the willpower. It remains to be seen if any beyond Louisville do.

Willpower? How does a football program display such willpower? In what way does Clemson demonstrate more willpower than NCSU, for instance, apart from simply winning more games?

I could go into a long winded reply but here's a perfect article for you to read and maybe understand what I am talking about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18783...ll-program

Unless you are going to try and tell me that there was a will to win in football at Duke between the Spurrier and Cutcliffe eras.

Can you win more games by going from totally deemphasizing and underfunding football to emphasizing and funding it? Sure but how do you improve from there? Will Duke or NCSU win more games by paying their coaches more or renovating their football buildings? NCSU just built a nice indoor practice facility. How many wins is that worth? Talking about winning more games being a question of "will" is about as simplistic as saying one team won a game because "they wanted it more."

So in the very same post you admit that there wasn't a will to win in football at Duke in the past then question the premise of programs not having a will to win?

Back to the OP: So far this season, they are writing good things.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-seminoles

Here's an article you wouldn't have seen on ESPN a few years ago:

ACC Kickoff Week game picks: Will the ACC sweep the SEC?

(08-29-2016 10:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "ACC could be one of the nation's strongest football conferences, with Clemson, Florida State leading way" - LA Times.

"There's still a gap between ACC football and SEC football, but it's definitely shrinking." - Bleacher Report

Poll: What do you think the ACC's future ceiling is as a football conference?
* Contend with SEC for #1 conference in CFB: 55.5%
* Become a clear-cut #2 behind the SEC: 30.5%
* Compete with B1G, Big XII and Pac-12 for #2: 11.0%
* #3 or lower in terms of power conferences: 3.0%

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...t-acc.html

The SEC east is hot garbage this year. UT went to overtime at home against App State last night and USCjr and Vandy had an embarassing pillow fight. UGA and UF may be decent but throw in UK and Missouri and that half of the SEC is as weak as any division in the P5.

(09-02-2016 07:45 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 10:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "ACC could be one of the nation's strongest football conferences, with Clemson, Florida State leading way" - LA Times.

"There's still a gap between ACC football and SEC football, but it's definitely shrinking." - Bleacher Report

Poll: What do you think the ACC's future ceiling is as a football conference?
* Contend with SEC for #1 conference in CFB: 55.5%
* Become a clear-cut #2 behind the SEC: 30.5%
* Compete with B1G, Big XII and Pac-12 for #2: 11.0%
* #3 or lower in terms of power conferences: 3.0%

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...t-acc.html

The SEC east is hot garbage this year. UT went to overtime at home against App State last night and USCjr and Vandy had an embarassing pillow fight. UGA and UF may be decent but throw in UK and Missouri and that half of the SEC is as weak as any division in the P5.

UNC needs to beat Jawja Saturday, and VT needs to beat Ole Yeller next week. THEN it will be undeniable: ACC Coastal > SEC East.

Meanwhile, Clemson and FSU need to establish their positions above the SEC West (well, teams not named Alabama at least).

Although Kaplony ruffles feathers, he has a point in this case. No matter what word he used, you can not deny that Duke, UNC and State did not place an emphasis on the sport of football like other universities. The programs could have been much stronger if that was not the case. I look at the Mack Brown era at Carolina and how it turned from mediocrity to a top 5 ranked program back to mediocrity because of the wrong hire. Mack actually changed the culture in Chapel Hill by showing you can have both an elite basketball programs as well as a football program that was trying to compete against FSU. Mack had closed the state's borders and top recruits were wanting to stay to play for him.

I also point to the Oregon Ducks who came out of nowhere to become the class of the PAC. OSU, with T Boone Pickens money improved vastly. There is no doubt that the "will" when applied to certain improvements can bring about a positive change in a sport that was dormant. If you don't believe that shiny new practice facilities, uniforms, etc don't attract top notch talent, then I really don't know what to believe. Only Miami, in that bastion of football talent, can sustain a program with local talent and not without the bells and whistles. They just need the right coach and even they are building a IPF.

What does it say that "the SEC's best QB... Chad Kelly" couldn't win the starting job at Clemson?

ACC football is winning, in large part, because of superior quarterback play.

(09-02-2016 09:48 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  Although Kaplony ruffles feathers, he has a point in this case. No matter what word he used, you can not deny that Duke, UNC and State did not place an emphasis on the sport of football like other universities. The programs could have been much stronger if that was not the case. I look at the Mack Brown era at Carolina and how it turned from mediocrity to a top 5 ranked program back to mediocrity because of the wrong hire. Mack actually changed the culture in Chapel Hill by showing you can have both an elite basketball programs as well as a football program that was trying to compete against FSU. Mack had closed the state's borders and top recruits were wanting to stay to play for him.

I also point to the Oregon Ducks who came out of nowhere to become the class of the PAC. OSU, with T Boone Pickens money improved vastly. There is no doubt that the "will" when applied to certain improvements can bring about a positive change in a sport that was dormant. If you don't believe that shiny new practice facilities, uniforms, etc don't attract top notch talent, then I really don't know what to believe. Only Miami, in that bastion of football talent, can sustain a program with local talent and not without the bells and whistles. They just need the right coach and even they are building a IPF.

Glad to know there's a simple formula for athletic success: Demonstrate "will" by hiring a great coach. Since we all know the secret now I guess every school can enjoy athletic success.