Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

This is what happens when law enforcement is of a “There are two kinds of people out there; people in badges, and people who might kill people in badges" mentality.

(08-29-2016 10:29 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This is what happens when law enforcement is of a “There are two kinds of people out there; people in badges, and people who might kill people in badges" mentality.

Have you watched the video? She refused to comply with multiple verbal commands and physically intervened in a lawful arrest. What exactly were they supposed to do? What exactly would YOU have done since it's obvious that you are an expert in law enforcement and clearly believe that you could do much better.

What exactly is the problem?

Policing is a tough business.

I think there was probably a better way to take care of things but what these officers did was not wholly wrong.

Apple didn't fall too far from the tree with this example.

Child runs from police ,.. Mother does not comply with police requests.!

Play stupid games you win stupid prizes. This is either genetic or indoctrination to not respect authority.

too bad, comply with the request and you wont get pepper sprayed.

(08-29-2016 10:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  What exactly would YOU have done since it's obvious that you are an expert in law enforcement and clearly believe that you could do much better.

I'm not an expert in law enforcement.

I simply made a statement that when the police see everyone as a threat then we see pepper-spray to the face of grandma.

(08-29-2016 11:30 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 10:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  What exactly would YOU have done since it's obvious that you are an expert in law enforcement and clearly believe that you could do much better.

I'm not an expert in law enforcement.

I simply made a statement that when the police see everyone as a threat then we see pepper-spray to the face of grandma.

A grandma who was being non-compliant and was physically intervening in an arrest. In other words a threat to the safety of the officers.

So again I ask what would you have done to alleviate this threat to the safety of yourself and your fellow officers? Obviously you know a better way since you are so critical of this way so tell us what it is.

(08-29-2016 11:30 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 10:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  What exactly would YOU have done since it's obvious that you are an expert in law enforcement and clearly believe that you could do much better.

I'm not an expert in law enforcement.

I simply made a statement that when the police see everyone as a threat then we see pepper-spray to the face of grandma.

Seems like an odd causal relationship.

(08-29-2016 11:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Obviously you know a better way since you are so critical of this way so tell us what it is.

I never claimed to be an expert. I'm also not an expert at running a Foundation but know that taking foreign money while Secretary of State is wrong.

The police are not immune from criticism and on first glance I simply find it hard to believe that pepper spray was the best use of force against an old, frail woman.

You are more than welcome to support the use of force escalation against grandma and the issues and concerns that that brings up.

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

The age doesn't faze me; the elderly doesn't (and shouldn't) get a "pass" in the eyes of the law. I'd need to see or watch details to understand if the use of pepper spray was needed.

(08-29-2016 11:42 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

The age doesn't faze me; the elderly doesn't (and shouldn't) get a "pass" in the eyes of the law. I'd need to see or watch details to understand if the use of pepper spray was needed.

I disagree. I don't believe in a "one size fits all" kind of world. Every situation is different. While the office might have been within his right to use pepper spray in that situation doesn't mean that he had to do it.

I agree with Lord Standley that he didn't have to do it that way.

(08-29-2016 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 11:42 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

The age doesn't faze me; the elderly doesn't (and shouldn't) get a "pass" in the eyes of the law. I'd need to see or watch details to understand if the use of pepper spray was needed.

I disagree. I don't believe in a "one size fits all" kind of world. Every situation is different. While the office might have been within his right to use pepper spray in that situation doesn't mean that he had to do it.

I agree with Lord Standley that he didn't have to do it that way.

I kinda/sorta agree here, but in a different way?

If all I heard was "cop pepper sprayed an 84-year-old", I'm not going to automatically say that shouldn't have happened just because of the age. I'd need to understand the specifics.

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

need more input

(08-29-2016 11:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 11:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Obviously you know a better way since you are so critical of this way so tell us what it is.

I never claimed to be an expert. I'm also not an expert at running a Foundation but know that taking foreign money while Secretary of State is wrong.

The police are not immune from criticism and on first glance I simply find it hard to believe that pepper spray was the best use of force against an old, frail woman.

You are more than welcome to support the use of force escalation against grandma and the issues and concerns that that brings up.

Pathetic reasoning.! She was harborung a fugitive at that point. What don't. You get , especially since you are so good a critiquing and arm chair quarterbacking.

There are no special rules for special people even though we have several protected classes of people on this country.

I believe the officer that fumigated granny was a female as well.

(08-29-2016 11:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 11:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Obviously you know a better way since you are so critical of this way so tell us what it is.

I never claimed to be an expert. I'm also not an expert at running a Foundation but know that taking foreign money while Secretary of State is wrong.

The police are not immune from criticism and on first glance I simply find it hard to believe that pepper spray was the best use of force against an old, frail woman.

You are more than welcome to support the use of force escalation against grandma and the issues and concerns that that brings up.

So in other words you have absolutely nothing.

And you can harp on "grandma" all you want but the elderly can be just as dangerous as someone half their age, if not more so because they are more apt to utilize weapons. I know there's one woman here who owes her life to the first responding deputy being a combat vet who carried a CAT tourniquet on his duty belt because her mother in her late 70's cut her femoral artery with a butcher knife as a result of a fight over how long to fry fish. Or the man who looked like a road map from the elderly man he was arguing with out front of the liquor store sliced him multiple times with a linoleum knife. Or the call we ran at the assisted living facility where one resident stabbed the other multiple times with a dinner fork over the attentions of a female resident.

The escalation of force was began by the 84 year old when she physically intervened in the arrest. Once she physically engaged with the officers she became a threat to their safety and they had no choice but to remove said threat and they did so in probably the safest manner possible. The risk of further injury to the 84 year old was greater from using a taser or physically engaging with the subject. She took a shot to the face, went to the ground in a controlled manner and was quickly handcuffed thus removing the threat to the officers and the possibility of further injury to herself.

It's an unfortunate incident and as demonstrated by our resident race baiting and law enforcement hating poster rushing so much to create the thread that he couldn't even post a link shows those who are engaged in the war on law enforcement will try and use this as an example of law enforcement being out of control but the facts are they were well within their rights to do what they did, and had it been anybody other than "grandma" this isn't even a story. But because of this misguided thought that an 84 year old isn't a threat that many, including someone as intelligent as yourself, have it is going to be twisted as an example of "evil" cops.

(08-29-2016 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 11:42 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

The age doesn't faze me; the elderly doesn't (and shouldn't) get a "pass" in the eyes of the law. I'd need to see or watch details to understand if the use of pepper spray was needed.

I disagree. I don't believe in a "one size fits all" kind of world. Every situation is different. While the office might have been within his right to use pepper spray in that situation doesn't mean that he had to do it.

I agree with Lord Standley that he didn't have to do it that way.

So since LS can't answer I'll ask you.......how would you have handled it?

(08-29-2016 12:09 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops pepper-spray 84-year-old woman
Footage shows the moment police officers pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman while searching for her son.Source: KOKI

need more input

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/08/28/...n-pkg.koki

(08-29-2016 12:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So in other words you have absolutely nothing.

I am not sure why me admitting (for now the third time) that I am not an expert on how to handle this is getting missed. I was not there. Maybe she was a super duper dangerous grandma. Or maybe the police didn't need to use pepper spray on an 84 year old. My initial comment was more about the general "Us vs Them" mentality infecting many areas of American law enforcement.

(08-29-2016 12:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  as an example of "evil" cops.

No, cops are not evil.

Modern American police forces operate from a basis of “force protection" rather than “protecting and serving the community.” Force protection is pepper spraying an old lady and this is a concern.