(08-31-2016 09:44 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote: For gods sake they admitted to letting the RBs handle their own substitutions. That is indefensible.

At all levels of FB tapping your helmet means "I need to come out" and coaches work to get them out as soon as they can, at UC they felt deep enough to allow the players for this position group to decide. It might be a bit unusual but I am not that fired up about it.

I know this will sound sarcastic, but I really don't mean it that way, but did you ever play competitive sports? The last person that I want to have the power to take me out of the game is my less talented backup.

The way Boone was used, given his effectiveness was inexcusable. Just brutal from the staff last year.

We teach 'em to tackle high!

I have played competitively and have/do coach/ed many levels. I don't find you to be sarcastic. I am enjoying the back and forth, in person over a beer this would be even better... just sayin'

With that said some of the best players I have ever known, know when they need a break or breather. It comes down to trusting your players, which it appears the UC coaches did to a great deal. As a coach I have seen players tap their helmets and I have yelled back we need you for a few more plays and hope they could gut it out... however in years where you have a 1a / next man in option I would hustle the replacement on the field immediately.

The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Offense wasn't the problem last year. Turnovers and injuries were the problem (and Boone falls into the injury category).

From his BIO: Prior to UC: Played for coach Ryan Sulkowski at Baker County High School ... Helped Baker County to a 7-3 record as a senior, catching 57 passes for 1,068 yards and 18 touchdowns ... Had a school record 211 receiving yards in a game in 2013 ... Rated a two-star wide receiver by Rivals, Scout and 247 Sports, but expected to play running back at UC ... Chose the Bearcats over Florida International and Idaho, among others.

EDIT: What would the reaction be if UC signed this guy this year? A 2-star athlete that had offers from Idaho and Florida International

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys. Something like 50% of the running back touches would have even been reasonable. The way the coaches forgot about him even after huge plays and great results was astonishing.

(08-31-2016 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys. Something like 50% of the running back touches would have even been reasonable. The way the coaches forgot about him even after huge plays and great results was astonishing.

He certainly should have been getting more than the 25% he did get.

(08-31-2016 10:42 AM)crex043 Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys. Something like 50% of the running back touches would have even been reasonable. The way the coaches forgot about him even after huge plays and great results was astonishing.

He certainly should have been getting more than the 25% he did get.

Hell, use him as a slot guy occasionally. He was the most dangerous guy with the ball. Back to my original point, since TT clearly doesn't out coach anyone so he needs great talent. The way to land great talent is to get guys drafted. Boone may still have an NFL future, but he missed a great opportunity last year to really get his name out there and get some early attention on himself.

Boone was hurt last year early in the year up at Miami. He was not available or at full strength for a stretch last year that included some key games. If he's going to be a difference maker, he'll have to stay healthy.

(08-31-2016 09:54 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I have played competitively and have/do coach/ed many levels. I don't find you to be sarcastic. I am enjoying the back and forth, in person over a beer this would be even better... just sayin'

With that said some of the best players I have ever known, know when they need a break or breather. It comes down to trusting your players, which it appears the UC coaches did to a great deal. As a coach I have seen players tap their helmets and I have yelled back we need you for a few more plays and hope they could gut it out... however in years where you have a 1a / next man in option I would hustle the replacement on the field immediately.

If the coaches had told Boone, you're the guy until you need a breather and told Green and Williams, Boone is the guy you only sub when he needs a breather, then I would have been fine with that. Again my original point is that coaches like TT need to showcase their most talented guys and get their names out there. In Gunner's case his name is already out there and he has had NFL buzz in the past. If you, as a coach in the AAC have a chance to get a QB drafted in the NFL, IMO you do whatever is necessary to make that happen because of the publicity it gets you. Just my opinion.

(08-31-2016 09:41 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 08:49 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 07:32 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 02:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  With the way TT has handled his most talented/future NFLers I have to think it is killing recruiting. Boone and Dowdy should be the main focus of the offense. Actually I'd even throw Gunner in there. If I am a good recruit and I see that TT is benching a possible NFL QB I'd completely ignore a UC offer. I know we all worry about winning, but recruits worry about getting to the NFL so the staff should worry about that also and they clearly do not.

Last I checked UC has not played a game yet this season.

Well he already made the call on Gunner. He barely used Boone, far and away the most talented guy on the roster, last year. And don't give me this Gran crap. A Head coach needs to step in and say, "Get these guys more involved."

I have fully embraced the John Calipari method. Make it all about getting them paid in the pros. The talent loves that and the wins will follow the talent.

Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

I don't remember Boone having the nagging injury. What I do remember was him making a ridiculous play and then not being seen for the next two drives, then coming in again and making more great plays. For gods sake they admitted to letting the RBs handle their own substitutions. That is indefensible.

Look I get that the reasons for benching Gunner are legit. I am saying that IN MY OPINION it is the wrong move. People, including recruits and possible transfers, know who Gunner is and if he could have a good year and get drafted that would be great advertising to recruits and possible transfers.

Boone got a nasty ankle sprain against Miami Oh. He missed multiple games and
playing time.

(08-31-2016 09:44 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote: For gods sake they admitted to letting the RBs handle their own substitutions. That is indefensible.

At all levels of FB tapping your helmet means "I need to come out" and coaches work to get them out as soon as they can, at UC they felt deep enough to allow the players for this position group to decide. It might be a bit unusual but I am not that fired up about it.

Yeah and they often do the tapping on their way to the sidelines (meaning that it is more about signalling another RB to get in there as opposed to asking) after a play when they need a breather. Sure some coaches might do it differently ( I kinda recall BK not letting a RB come out - maybe Pead - on a drive one time.), but it's pretty common for RBs to take themselves in and out of games from what I see. Jeremy Hill was doing it in the last Bengals exhibition for example.

(08-31-2016 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys...

C'mon. If you are going to make stuff up at least make it harder to check:
Hosey Williams 5.6 ypc
Mike Boone 7.2 ypc
Tion Green 4.8 ypc

Listen, I love watching Boone run the ball. I think everyone can agree that they'd like to get the ball in Boone's hands more IF he's healthy and knows the playbook backwards and forwards. It would also help if he was better at pass blocking so our play calling wasn't at times a dead give-away when he was in the game. But those other parts are key and seem to keep getting ignored. I'm not attacking Boone. Everybody's got some things to work on, especially when they are relatively new to a position. His blocking seemed to get a bit better as the season went on to my eyes fwiw and I think I read he put on some muscle this offseason. Kudos to him. I hope he gets a bunch more productive carries this year than he had last year.

But some of you guys seem to act like the coaches are truly idiots who really don't want to win - as if their jobs and their families don't depend upon it (that's not directed at you in particular btw).

(08-31-2016 09:45 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:41 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 08:49 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

How the heck people keep forgetting he was injured (by his own admission) is beyond me.

It was also reported last year that at times when he was in (maybe related to Jackie's playbook statement) he had trouble blocking on pass plays. Also playbook related as I understand it he was not a RB in HS and was converted by UC.

I just don't get if he was injured then he should not have been in the game at all, but that's not what happened. He'd play then sit long stretches, then play again. It would seem that would be the worst thing for a nagging ankle injury.

This is exactly what I'm saying though. Yes, I'd love for him to know the playbook backwards and forwards and be the best pass blocker on the team, but even if neither of those happen to be the case he needs to be on the field as much as possible because he was hands down the most explosive player we had. When you have a talent ike that on your team, you find a way to get the ball in his hands.

You can debate yourself over the treatment of Boone's injury, but it was a factor in why he didn't play as much as people would have liked. Also, I remember Gran saying at a Bearcat faithful lunch that he was gonna play the RB who knew the playbook best because he would not tolerate someone who brain cramps and gets the QB killed by blowing assignments. He point blank said that's why Hosey was starting. Again, you can argue about it, but that was the reality of the situation at the time.

(08-31-2016 11:40 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys...

C'mon. If you are going to make stuff up at least make it harder to check:
Hosey Williams 5.6 ypc
Mike Boone 7.2 ypc
Tion Green 4.8 ypc

Listen, I love watching Boone run the ball. I think everyone can agree that they'd like to get the ball in Boone's hands more IF he's healthy and knows the playbook backwards and forwards. It would also help if he was better at pass blocking so our play calling wasn't at times a dead give-away when he was in the game. But those other parts are key and seem to keep getting ignored. I'm not attacking Boone. Everybody's got some things to work on, especially when they are relatively new to a position. His blocking seemed to get a bit better as the season went on to my eyes fwiw and I think I read he put on some muscle this offseason. Kudos to him. I hope he gets a bunch more productive carries this year than he had last year.

But some of you guys seem to act like the coaches are truly idiots who really don't want to win - as if their jobs and their families don't depend upon it (that's not directed at you in particular btw).

Seemed like Gunner and Hayden Moore got shellacked plenty last year regardless of who was the blocking back. And why do you need your best pass blocker in the game when it's 3rd and 1?

(08-31-2016 12:45 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:40 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 10:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The coaches are idiots for playing two guys who could only muster 5 to 5.5 yards a carry (Green and Williams). What were they thinking? Boone should have had 90% of the carries last year.

* sarcasm alert is on folks

Nobody is saying Boone should have had "90%" of the carries. But Boone was far and away the most effective back and would spend large portions of the game on the Bench. He was getting 3 more YPC than the other guys...

C'mon. If you are going to make stuff up at least make it harder to check:
Hosey Williams 5.6 ypc
Mike Boone 7.2 ypc
Tion Green 4.8 ypc

Listen, I love watching Boone run the ball. I think everyone can agree that they'd like to get the ball in Boone's hands more IF he's healthy and knows the playbook backwards and forwards. It would also help if he was better at pass blocking so our play calling wasn't at times a dead give-away when he was in the game. But those other parts are key and seem to keep getting ignored. I'm not attacking Boone. Everybody's got some things to work on, especially when they are relatively new to a position. His blocking seemed to get a bit better as the season went on to my eyes fwiw and I think I read he put on some muscle this offseason. Kudos to him. I hope he gets a bunch more productive carries this year than he had last year.

But some of you guys seem to act like the coaches are truly idiots who really don't want to win - as if their jobs and their families don't depend upon it (that's not directed at you in particular btw).

Seemed like Gunner and Hayden Moore got shellacked plenty last year regardless of who was the blocking back.

Agreed. Not sure how that makes the case to play the RB who seemingly struggles the most with the playbook and pass-blocking even more though?

Quote: And why do you need your best pass blocker in the game when it's 3rd and 1?

You frequently don't, but you often do want your biggest most physical back in there when it's 3rd and 1. IMO, and I suspect that of many others, Tion was our biggest most physical back. But even if you disagree, surely you understand the vast majority of plays aren't 3rd and 1, so I'm not following your logic.

(08-31-2016 11:40 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  But some of you guys seem to act like the coaches are truly idiots who really don't want to win - as if their jobs and their families don't depend upon it (that's not directed at you in particular btw).

Munchie

(08-31-2016 04:05 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 11:40 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  But some of you guys seem to act like the coaches are truly idiots who really don't want to win - as if their jobs and their families don't depend upon it (that's not directed at you in particular btw).

Munchie

CBJ benched him during the Cuse game and inserted Jordan ???? and he ran the ball mainly and hit a couple of decent passes. Munchie became a decent QB.

One of the reasons Boone has been effective inside the 20 is he has fresh legs. Rb's are a different cut. Some guys do wear folks down and get better with more carries. Some not so much and are much better when used in situational substitutions. Boone is a strong guys physically, but he isn't one to run away from guys with his speed.