http://constitution.com/cdc-says-gay-men...new-cases/

Quote:In a startling story that is sure to be overlooked by the mainstream media, the CDC’s latest report on HIV and AIDS reveals some important truths about the debate over sexuality and health in the world today.

Quote:Even as homosexuality becomes an ever more acceptable societal given; the mental and physical consequences of such behavior continue to persist. In fact, the CDC notes that even as the HIV/AIDS infection rates continue to generally drop, over the last ten years they actually rose in the homosexual male community. 

So much for that gay holocaust. Looks more like gay mass suicide.

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[quote='Hood-rich' pid='13502841' dateline='1472300946']
http://constitution.com/cdc-says-gay-men...new-cases/

Quote:In a startling story that is sure to be overlooked by the mainstream media, the CDC’s latest report on HIV and AIDS reveals some important truths about the debate over sexuality and health in the world today.

Overlooked as a euphemism for buried.

Actions have consequences. One would think that every gay man alive understands that having unprotected sex is like playing Russian Roulette.

(08-27-2016 07:29 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  http://constitution.com/cdc-says-gay-men...new-cases/

Quote:In a startling story that is sure to be overlooked by the mainstream media, the CDC’s latest report on HIV and AIDS reveals some important truths about the debate over sexuality and health in the world today.

Quote:Even as homosexuality becomes an ever more acceptable societal given; the mental and physical consequences of such behavior continue to persist. In fact, the CDC notes that even as the HIV/AIDS infection rates continue to generally drop, over the last ten years they actually rose in the homosexual male community. 

So much for that gay holocaust. Looks more like gay mass suicide.

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Yeah, I have a serious problem with comparing a self-inflicted epidemic with the attempted mass extermination of an entire population. Jews weren't gassing themselves in Europe.

Most of these new infections impact LGBT subsets of drug users, poor LGBT persons, and LGBT persons of color. Usually in some combination.

So when Texas defunded Planned Parenthood and replaced it with nothing, it helped feed this epidemic. Spending money on abstinence education does nothing to combat this epidemic.

Here's what needs to happen

1) There needs to be a strong law enforcement (right now its non-existant) mechanism targeting meth in the LGBT community. Its an epidemic
2) PReP needs to be more widely prescribed and available, especially to poor LGBT persons. Many plans, especially the cheaper ones, don't cover it.
3) Condom education for LGBT persons needs to be better emphasized, and done so in a way that reaches closeted youth.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that don't know about safer sex. Because they don't identify as Gay. This is a particular problem in communities where being Gay is considered especially stigmatizing. And in poor communities. Remember, if you're on the DL, you don't know a lot of Gay people, you don't talk about it with your family, you probably go to a poor school where there's no safer sex education that addresses homosexuality, and you probably live somewhere where there's little funding for education that reaches you in other ways.

Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

Add to it socialization pressures as well. Remember, Gay men aren't usually gradually acclimated to sex through growing up (straight kids are provided with socially supported dating mechanisms as youth). They are just largely left to figure it out on their own. The Gay thing is something to be hidden. Dating becomes difficult in such an environment. Maybe that will change as people become more accepting.

And Gay youth usually start the sex stuff later than straight people.

Who doesn't know unprotected sex, gay or straight, is a risk? Sorry, Tom, not buying that bull. They don't need special gay classes to explain that.

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(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

You've pinpointed the problem.

The more people one sleeps with the higher the chance of contracting a disease. Homosexuals have infection rates nearing prostitutes.

The problem is nothing more than folks sleeping with too many folks with little regard for these types of things.

I think that stupidity, drug culture, etc. contributes to the problem but the core issue remains promiscuity.

(08-27-2016 11:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Most of these new infections impact LGBT subsets of drug users, poor LGBT persons, and LGBT persons of color. Usually in some combination.

So when Texas defunded Planned Parenthood and replaced it with nothing, it helped feed this epidemic. Spending money on abstinence education does nothing to combat this epidemic.

Here's what needs to happen

1) There needs to be a strong law enforcement (right now its non-existant) mechanism targeting meth in the LGBT community. Its an epidemic
2) PReP needs to be more widely prescribed and available, especially to poor LGBT persons. Many plans, especially the cheaper ones, don't cover it.
3) Condom education for LGBT persons needs to be better emphasized, and done so in a way that reaches closeted youth.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that don't know about safer sex. Because they don't identify as Gay. This is a particular problem in communities where being Gay is considered especially stigmatizing. And in poor communities. Remember, if you're on the DL, you don't know a lot of Gay people, you don't talk about it with your family, you probably go to a poor school where there's no safer sex education that addresses homosexuality, and you probably live somewhere where there's little funding for education that reaches you in other ways.

Maybe Im just more educated and aware..but..I really thought that everyone knew what caused HIV and how to protect themselves from infection. Evidently...I am wrong. Despite this being pretty much mainstream knowledge...There still obviously is work to be done. I also wonder if there are people that suddenly think having HIV is not deadly anymore (Magic Johnson syndrome) and are not being as diligent as in the past protecting themselves. It is sad the this virus is still with us and killing people.

Damn that holocaust...


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(08-27-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

Add to it socialization pressures as well. Remember, Gay men aren't usually gradually acclimated to sex through growing up (straight kids are provided with socially supported dating mechanisms as youth). They are just largely left to figure it out on their own. The Gay thing is something to be hidden. Dating becomes difficult in such an environment. Maybe that will change as people become more accepting.

And Gay youth usually start the sex stuff later than straight people.

I don't know what we can do to educate people more. Evidently something is missing from the equation I cant see.

(08-27-2016 12:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

Add to it socialization pressures as well. Remember, Gay men aren't usually gradually acclimated to sex through growing up (straight kids are provided with socially supported dating mechanisms as youth). They are just largely left to figure it out on their own. The Gay thing is something to be hidden. Dating becomes difficult in such an environment. Maybe that will change as people become more accepting.

And Gay youth usually start the sex stuff later than straight people.

I don't know what we can do to educate people more. Evidently something is missing from the equation I cant see.

The thing that is missing is not accounting for willful ignorance and lack of self-responsibility.

Everyone knows the risks and what they need to do if they want to protect themselves. Just another lie that there is all this ignorance out there. It's a fraud used to get more open discussions, mostly with our youth, leading to more acceptance brainwashing.

(08-27-2016 12:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

Add to it socialization pressures as well. Remember, Gay men aren't usually gradually acclimated to sex through growing up (straight kids are provided with socially supported dating mechanisms as youth). They are just largely left to figure it out on their own. The Gay thing is something to be hidden. Dating becomes difficult in such an environment. Maybe that will change as people become more accepting.

And Gay youth usually start the sex stuff later than straight people.

I don't know what we can do to educate people more. Evidently something is missing from the equation I cant see.

1) No one is pushing condoms anymore. That could be changed
2) No one is talking about same sex activity in sex ed. That could be changed
3) Shutting down programs that reach marginalized and hard to reach communities and replacing them with - nothing is also a bad idea. That could be stopped.
4) Spending millions and millions on stupid and completely ineffective 'abstinence' "education" siphons off critically needed resources for public health. Its just payola for the political allies of certain religions.

Stigma is still a huge part of the equation. If being Gay is something that carries a stigma, it drives activity underground where its harder to reach people and educate them. This is especially a problem in poorer communities and among persons of color. These are the same groups that frequently rely on more government based solutions. If you're poor, you're of color, and your culture has a big problem with being Gay, then you are at risk.

And then there's the f*cking meth. Its a huge problem and one that gets virtually ZERO attention. I can find 20 people looking to use it in about 3 minutes on any number of 'networking' apps. I'll bet if I tried, I could get narcotics quicker than I could get a pizza. And I loathe drugs and try to stay away from it as much as possible. Part of that is the fact that there appears to be zero law enforcement priority on this in the LGBT community and part of it is that the LGBT community doesn't try to police it themselves. Seriously, why can't someone in law enforcement just go on Scruff or Grindr and start investigating those using capital T's (for Tina - or Meth) or looking for PNP in their profiles. Its obvious that they're looking for meth. Shutting down the apps won't do much good because 6 more apps will immediately appear. The key is to try and get the people who appear to be effectively using these apps to transact in drugs to face some enforcement. And even in the odd cases where someone does get arrested, they aren't taken off the streets for more than a day. To solve the seroconversion problem, one has to look at the meth problem. They seem to operate in tandem with each other. Non-enforcement of drug laws in certain communities is a form of discrimination. And carries a real cost to the communities where there is virtually no enforcement.

The good news is that people usually don't die of HIV anymore. The bad news is that every single new infection will cost the taxpayers close to a million bucks in costs. And since the majority of those becoming infected don't have resources (as they tend to be poorer), we will be paying for most, if not all, of those costs.

By the way, I see this as a meth problem, just as much if not more than a sex issue. People "slam" (use needles to inject meth in to their bloodstreams) too. It wouldn't surprise me if over half of these infections came from needle sharing.

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The overwhelming majority of LGBT people are responsible. But there's a culture of permissiveness that exists (some permissiveness is good - some of it is unquestionably bad). Part of that is the fault of the LGBT community itself (for refusing to judge things that are obviously bad for the community). But part of involves a lack of enforcement effort on the part of the government as well as a lack of resources provided to reach less visible cohorts within the community. Understand that divisions in the greater society exist within the LGBT community too. A white, well off, educated Gay man isn't much more likely to hang out with an uneducated, poor, person of color than in the straight world.

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Negative consequences from unprotected sex isn't only an issue for gays. For gays, it's HIV, but there is also an issue in many places in this country with unwanted pregnancies......

In both cases, I guess "it just doesn't feel as good" is the likely culprit.

(08-27-2016 02:12 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Negative consequences from unprotected sex isn't only an issue for gays. For gays, it's HIV, but there is also an issue in many places in this country with unwanted pregnancies......

In both cases, I guess "it just doesn't feel as good" is the likely culprit.

There is a small but very annoying and extremely obnoxious group in the LGBT community that advocates AGAINST condom usage. Its pretty small, but they're really obnoxious and loud about it. They're usually too young to remember the AIDS "Holocaust" (or if you'd prefer - that time when up to half the entire population of openly Gay males between 20 and 50 just up and dropped dead in a period of about 7 years) and don't see AIDS or HIV as an existential threat.

But I think that even those assclowns aren't as dangerous as the 'no judgement' people regarding meth.

(08-27-2016 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 12:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 11:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Two main reasons why this happens.

1. Men are much more likely to spread the disease than women are. You have sex with males whose other partners are males you're at a higher risk than if you are an exclusively straight guy.

2. Gay men are just more promiscuous. It's not that they're somehow all a bunch of hedonistic perverts. Gay men don't have to navigate a maze to get laid like most straight guys do.

Add to it socialization pressures as well. Remember, Gay men aren't usually gradually acclimated to sex through growing up (straight kids are provided with socially supported dating mechanisms as youth). They are just largely left to figure it out on their own. The Gay thing is something to be hidden. Dating becomes difficult in such an environment. Maybe that will change as people become more accepting.

And Gay youth usually start the sex stuff later than straight people.

I don't know what we can do to educate people more. Evidently something is missing from the equation I cant see.

1) No one is pushing condoms anymore. That could be changed
2) No one is talking about same sex activity in sex ed. That could be changed
3) Shutting down programs that reach marginalized and hard to reach communities and replacing them with - nothing is also a bad idea. That could be stopped.
4) Spending millions and millions on stupid and completely ineffective 'abstinence' "education" siphons off critically needed resources for public health. Its just payola for the political allies of certain religions.

Stigma is still a huge part of the equation. If being Gay is something that carries a stigma, it drives activity underground where its harder to reach people and educate them. This is especially a problem in poorer communities and among persons of color. These are the same groups that frequently rely on more government based solutions. If you're poor, you're of color, and your culture has a big problem with being Gay, then you are at risk.

And then there's the f*cking meth. Its a huge problem and one that gets virtually ZERO attention. I can find 20 people looking to use it in about 3 minutes on any number of 'networking' apps. I'll bet if I tried, I could get narcotics quicker than I could get a pizza. And I loathe drugs and try to stay away from it as much as possible. Part of that is the fact that there appears to be zero law enforcement priority on this in the LGBT community and part of it is that the LGBT community doesn't try to police it themselves. Seriously, why can't someone in law enforcement just go on Scruff or Grindr and start investigating those using capital T's (for Tina - or Meth) or looking for PNP in their profiles. Its obvious that they're looking for meth. Shutting down the apps won't do much good because 6 more apps will immediately appear. The key is to try and get the people who appear to be effectively using these apps to transact in drugs to face some enforcement. And even in the odd cases where someone does get arrested, they aren't taken off the streets for more than a day. To solve the seroconversion problem, one has to look at the meth problem. They seem to operate in tandem with each other. Non-enforcement of drug laws in certain communities is a form of discrimination. And carries a real cost to the communities where there is virtually no enforcement.

The good news is that people usually don't die of HIV anymore. The bad news is that every single new infection will cost the taxpayers close to a million bucks in costs. And since the majority of those becoming infected don't have resources (as they tend to be poorer), we will be paying for most, if not all, of those costs.

By the way, I see this as a meth problem, just as much if not more than a sex issue. People "slam" (use needles to inject meth in to their bloodstreams) too. It wouldn't surprise me if over half of these infections came from needle sharing.

---

The overwhelming majority of LGBT people are responsible. But there's a culture of permissiveness that exists (some permissiveness is good - some of it is unquestionably bad). Part of that is the fault of the LGBT community itself (for refusing to judge things that are obviously bad for the community). But part of involves a lack of enforcement effort on the part of the government as well as a lack of resources provided to reach less visible cohorts within the community. Understand that divisions in the greater society exist within the LGBT community too. A white, well off, educated Gay man isn't much more likely to hang out with an uneducated, poor, person of color than in the straight world.

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I have no problem with contraception and safe sex education. I think the ROI is very good with the money spent on it. Everyone is responsible for their actions when it comes to sex...not just gays. This irresponsible behavior cost us untold billions of dollars per year in health care, social services and even law enforcement. When you throw into it Meth? Damn...You have a toxic situation beyond belief. I was not aware of this problem was so prevalent in this demographic. I wonder why?

I appreciate your candor on this Tom.

(08-27-2016 01:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Everyone knows the risks and what they need to do if they want to protect themselves. Just another lie that there is all this ignorance out there. It's a fraud used to get more open discussions, mostly with our youth, leading to more acceptance brainwashing.

There must be some reason for the failure to get people to practice contraception/safe sex. Im really baffled why anyone would take such risks with futures (unwanted children) and their lives (unsafe sex). I just don't get it.

(08-27-2016 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They're usually too young to remember the AIDS "Holocaust" (or if you'd prefer - that time when up to half the entire population of openly Gay males between 20 and 50 just up and dropped dead in a period of about 7 years) and don't see AIDS or HIV as an existential threat.

You go stark raving mad over tranny.