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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
(09-14-2016 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: I really don't believe Nippert expansion is economically viable even with a Big XII invite. UC still has to create long term demand for football to the point where the stadium is full for every game against every opponent. There is also the potential the adding more suites does nothing to increase revenue and everything to increase cost. The current size of the stadium is perfect because it creates a a big time atmosphere without destroying the feel of the stadium.
I don't think expansion IS needed. I simply think it CAN be done IF needed.
(09-14-2016 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: Its not like UC would be playing Texas and Oklahoma every week, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and the other mid range programs probably would have the same drawing power that USF, Syracuse, and UConn had during our Big East days.
While I understand and to a point, agree with that line of thinking…
We managed a sellout when Purdue… PURDUE… the bottom feeder of P5 conferences pulled into Clifton. ANY school in the BIG12 should garner as much respect as Purdue did, and sure as sh!t more respect than USF, Memphis, UCF, UConn, Temple… Need I go on?
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
(09-12-2016 04:49 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote: (09-02-2016 04:43 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: I think people have gotten carried away with this Nippert expansion idea - including the announcers last night. IIRC, Ono simply said that it is an idea that could be done if we entered the Big12. "Could" being the operative word. Unless the Big12 puts the screws to us as part of our requirements for acceptance (and I don't see why they would), I think we'll take at least a year or two in the Big12 (assuming it happens of course) to see how things go in terms of ticket sales including premium seat demand before even seriously taking a look at expanding Nippert.
In other words, it's OK to talk about it but don't expect any significant expansion to happen for at least several years (again unless the Big12 makes it a prerequisite which I doubt) even if we move to the Big12 next year.
I suppose there's some irony to the fact that some star architect was given the opportunity to put his ego architecture anywhere he wanted and he jammed it upside the football stadium so it would appear every time a game is on television - only to have it hidden by premium seating.
I never understood why UC allowed this to happen. I mean, they paid another high-falutin' architect to master plan the campus and give us a "Main Street" and such, then they cram expensive architecture between the football stadium and basketball arena?
Many of the architects Steger brought in designed buildings at a nominal cost.
Quote:Steger recalled his first strategy for the university was to redesign the campus. Old buildings were crumbling. For UC to become a national leader in research, buildings were going to have to function around what was going on inside: temperature and humidity- sensitive environments for the sensitive research in the labs. "We looked into the differential cost of using world-class architects, and it was about a percent-and-a-half to two percent. So we said, 'Let's make it different.'" Six signature architects designed UC's Master Plan, and Steger adds that not only are the buildings teaching tools, but also pathways through the campus.
http://www.uc.edu/profiles/steger.htm
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
(09-14-2016 09:22 AM)Bearcats_Forever Wrote: (09-14-2016 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: I really don't believe Nippert expansion is economically viable even with a Big XII invite. UC still has to create long term demand for football to the point where the stadium is full for every game against every opponent. There is also the potential the adding more suites does nothing to increase revenue and everything to increase cost. The current size of the stadium is perfect because it creates a a big time atmosphere without destroying the feel of the stadium.
I don't think expansion IS needed. I simply think it CAN be done IF needed.
(09-14-2016 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: Its not like UC would be playing Texas and Oklahoma every week, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and the other mid range programs probably would have the same drawing power that USF, Syracuse, and UConn had during our Big East days.
While I understand and to a point, agree with that line of thinking…
We managed a sellout when Purdue… PURDUE… the bottom feeder of P5 conferences pulled into Clifton. ANY school in the BIG12 should garner as much respect as Purdue did, and sure as sh!t more respect than USF, Memphis, UCF, UConn, Temple… Need I go on?
Purdue traveled pretty well. There are a lot of alums that live in Greater Cincinnati and just outside it. I would add that attendance was popping because there was excitement for the first game of the year and it was Tuberville's first game as coach.
With respect to the Big 12, it's my understanding that Iowa State and K-State travels pretty well in all sports-- much more than our former partners in the Big East sans WVU and Louisville.
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
When should UC expand?
1. If it is a condition of BIG 12 membership.
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2. When the marginal projected revenue created by expansion exceeds the marginal cost of expansion. The marginal costs are the interest carrying costs plus depreciation plus maintenance plus added other operating costs.
I would expect any 2nd year accounting, finance or econ major to know this.
The hardest part to determine is the revenue piece.
(This post was last modified: 09-14-2016 09:55 AM by doss2.)
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
(09-14-2016 09:54 AM)doss2 Wrote: When should UC expand?
1. If it is a condition of BIG 12 membership.
OR
2. When the marginal projected revenue created by expansion exceeds the marginal cost of expansion. The marginal costs are the interest carrying costs plus depreciation plus maintenance plus added other operating costs.
I would expect any 2nd year accounting, finance or econ major to know this.
The hardest part to determine is the revenue piece.
Agreed on BOTH!
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
If a 40k stadium became a legitimate problem (which would be a great thing), you can always increase ticket prices for the short-term. Then possibly look to expand the east second deck a bit. I don't think we'll ever need to go over 50k.
Not sure if this has been brought up anywhere, but I saw some long-term plans for the streetcar a day or two ago that have it running through Clifton on two rails (if I read the map right). That'd be huge for parking and stadium access.
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
(09-14-2016 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: I really don't believe Nippert expansion is economically viable even with a Big XII invite. UC still has to create long term demand for football to the point where the stadium is full for every game against every opponent. There is also the potential the adding more suites does nothing to increase revenue and everything to increase cost. The current size of the stadium is perfect because it creates a a big time atmosphere without destroying the feel of the stadium.
Its not like UC would be playing Texas and Oklahoma every week, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and the other mid range programs probably would have the same drawing power that USF, Syracuse, and UConn had during our Big East days.
Good analysis. With divisions, Texas and Oklahoma may only come to Cincinnati once every four years. While they may want more seats for their fans who travel you can't exactly do a $100 million expansion for that contingency. My guess is the rest of the B12 travels about the same as the Big East did.
Did the Lindner building limit Nippert expansion options? Probably. But remember when it was conceived the Big East was still in the future and there was no contingency in anyone's mind for the Big East imploding. From a recruiting standpoint, one of UC's major selling points is the centrality and compactness of the Varsity Village. There's a lot packed into the Lindner building that benefits all the varsity sports.
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RE: Nippert Expansion 2020
An expansion probably isn't viable...but if they were to replicate what they've done on the west, on the east side of the stadium, it would be both a financially smart move (given the types of marquee opponents we have) and a logistically smart move (since we could probably keep a similar number in the attendance figures while decreasing the amount of concourse traffic). Not to mention, that would be one of the most daunting looking stadiums ever if another press box the size of our current one was on the other side of the stadium. I'm not even sure sunlight would get to the field before 10am or after 2pm
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