Big 12: Existing member ranking in bold, expansion candidates not bolded.

Pretty sure this subjective list will lead to a calm, reasoned discussion.

OU 1
UT 7
BYU 27
TCU 31
OSU 32
WVU 44
KState 47
TT 56
Baylor 59
UH 63
ISU 69
Cinci 69
CSU 68
Kansas 76
Memphis 80
UCF 83
USF 93
UConn 101

ESPN: Which schools should be considered college football royalty

I'd say that's pretty close to where I would have ranked WVU....30's- 40's range.

I think ESPN has identified 3 groups in reality here.

(08-25-2016 03:36 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Big 12: Existing member ranking in bold, expansion candidates not bolded.

Pretty sure this subjective list will lead to a calm, reasoned discussion.

OU 1
UT 7
BYU 27
TCU 31
OSU 32
WVU 44
KState 47
TT 56
Baylor 59
UH 63
ISU 69
Cinci 69
CSU 68
Kansas 76
Memphis 80
UCF 83
USF 93
UConn 101

ESPN: Which schools should be considered college football royalty

Ummmm no NIU on this list?! Blasphemy

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that list is a little outdated IMO....

1st off, there's only 3 "King" programs.....Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma. They are the royalty of the bluebloods

I'd have USC and Ohio State tied in the next spot

As for Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, and Penn State....are you kidding me?? The Florida schools are better than this group now. Sorry traditionalists...Miami, FSU, and Florida have 11 National Championships, multiple dynasties, some of the best teams to play the game (2001 Miami, 1999 FSU, 1993 FSU).

What exactly has Penn State done lately? They had a good year in '05...

Georgia above FSU and Miami is laughable

Also absurd that Pitt and BYU aren't higher.

BYU has won a championship and had a heisman winner....is Oregon really better than them? just cause Oregon has had some fancy jerseys and lost a few championship games?

Looks like a number of other objective lists, like average home football attendance and gate revenue, number of ranked seasons, national award winners, etc.

(08-25-2016 03:36 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Big 12: Existing member ranking in bold, expansion candidates not bolded.

Pretty sure this subjective list will lead to a calm, reasoned discussion.

OU 1
UT 7
BYU 27
TCU 31
OSU 32
*Boise State 35*
WVU 44
KState 47
TT 56
Baylor 59
UH 63
ISU 69
Cinci 69
CSU 68
Kansas 76
Memphis 80
UCF 83
USF 93
UConn 101

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Once again, tremendously unfortunate that on-field success seems to be the least important factor in terms of being able to compete at the highest level.

Boise State 35 (tied) according to this list.


In related news, life still isn't fair...

(08-25-2016 03:59 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...
BYU has won a championship and had a heisman winner....is Oregon really better than them? just cause Oregon has had some fancy jerseys and lost a few championship games?

In Oregon's defense, their Heisman winner is recent, they played in a BCS national championship game, and they have played in the modern-day CFP...

If you are going by National Championships, Army has 5. We are ahead of Penn State and others.

(08-25-2016 04:06 PM)ragincajun019 Wrote:  Boise State 35 (tied) according to this list.

In related news, life still isn't fair...

ESPiN's list overvalues long-ago success (ie before today's CFB players were born) and undervalues recent success (ie during the lifetimes of today's CFB players).

Also in related news: wins are basically meaningless in realignment.

(08-25-2016 04:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Also in related news: wins are basically meaningless in realignment.

Only when wins haven't been converted into value.

Another look here, my dick is bigger then your dick thread. Thank god the football season is here again.

Southern Miss ranked above most AAC programs. Lulz.

Miami highest in the MAC and only behind Houston and UC in AAC. Also ahead of many P5 programs.

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Notwithstanding the current ESPN value of Army, Navy & even some of the current auto 5 schools like Purdue, Indiana, BC, Wake Forest, NC St, Kansas, Cal, Wash St etc, the more important consideration for most G5 schools hoping to be recognized as playing top level D-1 FB is whether their school will be included in the eventual top 64-65 schools that will make up the future autonomous group that will garner the majority of the $$, the TV & the recognition in major college FB. Certainly if current conference membership is the determining factor, and it likely will be, then many deserving programs will not be included.

(08-25-2016 03:59 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  that list is a little outdated IMO....

1st off, there's only 3 "King" programs.....Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma. They are the royalty of the bluebloods

I'd have USC and Ohio State tied in the next spot

As for Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, and Penn State....are you kidding me?? The Florida schools are better than this group now. Sorry traditionalists...Miami, FSU, and Florida have 11 National Championships, multiple dynasties, some of the best teams to play the game (2001 Miami, 1999 FSU, 1993 FSU).

What exactly has Penn State done lately? They had a good year in '05...

Georgia above FSU and Miami is laughable

Also absurd that Pitt and BYU aren't higher.

BYU has won a championship and had a heisman winner....is Oregon really better than them? just cause Oregon has had some fancy jerseys and lost a few championship games?

Excuse me, what makes OU a "King" program and not USC? We have more claimed national titles, 12 more Heisman winners, more all americans, and a better bowl record.

OU is not even the King of their own conference.

(08-26-2016 11:34 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:59 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  that list is a little outdated IMO....

1st off, there's only 3 "King" programs.....Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma. They are the royalty of the bluebloods

I'd have USC and Ohio State tied in the next spot

As for Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, and Penn State....are you kidding me?? The Florida schools are better than this group now. Sorry traditionalists...Miami, FSU, and Florida have 11 National Championships, multiple dynasties, some of the best teams to play the game (2001 Miami, 1999 FSU, 1993 FSU).

What exactly has Penn State done lately? They had a good year in '05...

Georgia above FSU and Miami is laughable

Also absurd that Pitt and BYU aren't higher.

BYU has won a championship and had a heisman winner....is Oregon really better than them? just cause Oregon has had some fancy jerseys and lost a few championship games?

Excuse me, what makes OU a "King" program and not USC? We have more claimed national titles, 12 more Heisman winners, more all americans, and a better bowl record.

OU is not even the King of their own conference.

.........ESPN

(08-26-2016 12:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 11:34 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:59 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  that list is a little outdated IMO....

1st off, there's only 3 "King" programs.....Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma. They are the royalty of the bluebloods

I'd have USC and Ohio State tied in the next spot

As for Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, and Penn State....are you kidding me?? The Florida schools are better than this group now. Sorry traditionalists...Miami, FSU, and Florida have 11 National Championships, multiple dynasties, some of the best teams to play the game (2001 Miami, 1999 FSU, 1993 FSU).

What exactly has Penn State done lately? They had a good year in '05...

Georgia above FSU and Miami is laughable

Also absurd that Pitt and BYU aren't higher.

BYU has won a championship and had a heisman winner....is Oregon really better than them? just cause Oregon has had some fancy jerseys and lost a few championship games?

Excuse me, what makes OU a "King" program and not USC? We have more claimed national titles, 12 more Heisman winners, more all americans, and a better bowl record.

OU is not even the King of their own conference.

.........ESPN

ESPN has OU & USC both ranked as 1s. Evil Vodka not so much.

(08-25-2016 03:36 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Big 12: Existing member ranking in bold, expansion candidates not bolded.

Pretty sure this subjective list will lead to a calm, reasoned discussion.

OU 1
UT 7
BYU 27
TCU 31
OSU 32
WVU 44
KState 47
TT 56
Baylor 59
UH 63
ISU 69
Cinci 69
CSU 68
Kansas 76
Memphis 80
UCF 83
USF 93
UConn 101

ESPN: Which schools should be considered college football royalty

You left off Boise State as 35. That puts them in between Oklahoma State and West Virginia.