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RE: What the heck is Texas' problem?
(08-25-2016 09:23 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(08-25-2016 04:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They should be in the top 25 every year just based on laundry (which says "Texas)" alone. Their basketball program should have been to about 5 Final Fours recently.

What's their beef?

In football it's hard to label them anything but an underachiever.

When you have those resources and only have what they do to show for it, substandard.

that is really not exactly true though

again Texas does not spend an outrageous sum on their actual football they spend well under what a number of top programs spend

also there are many more programs you can call out that are far worse in terms of "resources" Vs performance especially actual football spending Vs performance of football

UCLA, ND, A&M, Penn State, Arkansas

and if you want to look at modern times when budgets really took off UT is no different than Tennessee (claims 6 but one in 1967 then last in 1998)

hell Ohio State went from 1970 to 2002 before they won another and then a second in 2014 and while I will 100% say that "winning it matters" being there and losing one is not like you were just a terrible program

so there is 30+ seasons people could ask "what is wrong with tOSU"

LSU has 3, but that was 58, and then 2003 and 2007.....so there is decades of "what is wrong with LSU"

Georgia.....what the hell is their excuse

Miami.....they had a great run.....let us know if they ever get it back again and it is getting further and further away

Michigan....last one in 1997.....MSU 1966.....why do either of them get a pass are we trying to pretend they don't spend like Texas

and the fact is Texas fans will tell you that Texas sucks right now as much as anyone....that is the difference between programs like LSU, Alabama, Texas and tOSU and USC......at least the fans of those programs know they suck and admit they suck when they suck

are we pretending that Nebraska is still great or something.....are we now awarding greatness based on stings of seasons with no more (and no less) than 4 losses capped off by a 6-7 season and a spare bowl win

Iowa pays their coach outrageous money and they have a "Big 10 budget".....they pretty much suck by the standards of any top program......what the heck is their problem

the list is endless depending on what your criteria is for "their problem"

In terms of Texas over the entirety of the football program, not some arbitrary period.

Granted, the perception that Texas has everything is somewhat recent in relation to the whole 100+ year history.

Texas has really just zoomed to the top in revenue in the last 15 years or so. They weren't there when the Big 12 was formed.
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RE: What the heck is Texas' problem?
(08-25-2016 07:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 06:47 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Enjoy it while you can because they will be back.

Honestly I can't really remember them ever being a power other than the Vince Young and Colt McCoy years.

ON PAPER....Texas should be competitive every year in every sport. Somewhere in the lifespan of the original Big XII, Texas ascended to super power not just as a football school, but as an Athletic University. They SHOULD be Stanford in all sports, and Notre Dame in football.

But everything hasn't exactly evolved that way....they probably should have left the regional confines of the SWC/Big XII a long time ago. They want to be a National Brand. They have the network for it, but their sports suck....
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(08-25-2016 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 09:23 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 09:20 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 08:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 04:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They should be in the top 25 every year just based on laundry (which says "Texas)" alone. Their basketball program should have been to about 5 Final Fours recently.

What's their beef?

In football it's hard to label them anything but an underachiever.

When you have those resources and only have what they do to show for it, substandard.

that is really not exactly true though

again Texas does not spend an outrageous sum on their actual football they spend well under what a number of top programs spend

also there are many more programs you can call out that are far worse in terms of "resources" Vs performance especially actual football spending Vs performance of football

UCLA, ND, A&M, Penn State, Arkansas

and if you want to look at modern times when budgets really took off UT is no different than Tennessee (claims 6 but one in 1967 then last in 1998)

hell Ohio State went from 1970 to 2002 before they won another and then a second in 2014 and while I will 100% say that "winning it matters" being there and losing one is not like you were just a terrible program

so there is 30+ seasons people could ask "what is wrong with tOSU"

LSU has 3, but that was 58, and then 2003 and 2007.....so there is decades of "what is wrong with LSU"

Georgia.....what the hell is their excuse

Miami.....they had a great run.....let us know if they ever get it back again and it is getting further and further away

Michigan....last one in 1997.....MSU 1966.....why do either of them get a pass are we trying to pretend they don't spend like Texas

and the fact is Texas fans will tell you that Texas sucks right now as much as anyone....that is the difference between programs like LSU, Alabama, Texas and tOSU and USC......at least the fans of those programs know they suck and admit they suck when they suck

are we pretending that Nebraska is still great or something.....are we now awarding greatness based on stings of seasons with no more (and no less) than 4 losses capped off by a 6-7 season and a spare bowl win

Iowa pays their coach outrageous money and they have a "Big 10 budget".....they pretty much suck by the standards of any top program......what the heck is their problem

the list is endless depending on what your criteria is for "their problem"

In terms of Texas over the entirety of the football program, not some arbitrary period.

Granted, the perception that Texas has everything is somewhat recent in relation to the whole 100+ year history.

Texas has really just zoomed to the top in revenue in the last 15 years or so. They weren't there when the Big 12 was formed.

Nope, there was a real flipping of roles with Nebraska during those years....very interesting story

You stole Nebraska's mojo
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(08-25-2016 10:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All starts with the head ball coach. If you've got unlimited money to spend like a Michigan, Alabama, etc. then eventually you'll hire a big winner.

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Kind of mind boggling how they have been down (by their standards) for so long with all the money, support and inherent recruiting advantages.

I guess it really does show how thin the margin of error is in FBS football.

UT usually does less with more.
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(08-25-2016 11:52 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 07:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 06:47 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Enjoy it while you can because they will be back.

Honestly I can't really remember them ever being a power other than the Vince Young and Colt McCoy years.

ON PAPER....Texas should be competitive every year in every sport. Somewhere in the lifespan of the original Big XII, Texas ascended to super power not just as a football school, but as an Athletic University. They SHOULD be Stanford in all sports, and Notre Dame in football.

But everything hasn't exactly evolved that way....they probably should have left the regional confines of the SWC/Big XII a long time ago. They want to be a National Brand. They have the network for it, but their sports suck....

How many schools have 52 national championships? I guarantee the list is very short. How many schools have national championships in 11 different sports? The list is shorter. How many have national championships in 11 different sports played by more than 50 schools? Probably just Texas. Maybe Stanford.
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One major difference between Texas and Stanford is the number of varsity sports offered.
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(08-25-2016 04:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  One major difference between Texas and Stanford is the number of varsity sports offered.

Stanford plays a lot of sports and a number of them are only played by a handful of schools.
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(08-25-2016 04:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 04:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  One major difference between Texas and Stanford is the number of varsity sports offered.

Stanford plays a lot of sports and a number of them are only played by a handful of schools.

that is something Texas really needs to address (along with the massive amount of AD administration overhead)

Texas should have beach volleyball, bowling, fencing and probably water polo

if not water polo then field hockey or lacrosse

when the replacement for the Drum is built Texas needs to have womens hockey

the money is there, it is crapped away in the Bellmont retirement center and it was crapped away on throw away facilities that never should have been built before they were torn down and replaced.....sometimes with something else that should not have been built and will eventually be torn down and replaced before the life span is over
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A part of it is how the money gap has narrowed.

UT has a huge budget but it was truly pronounced during the late 90s to the mid 00s which is the era of athletic dominance they are known for. Nobody could touch them in terms of spending on coaches, facilities and extras. For prospective athletes of that era it was like signing with a pro team.

Nowadays everybody is spending ludicrous amounts of money to the point where having a slightly cooler locker room/weight room is not much of a difference maker anymore.
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(08-25-2016 05:03 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 04:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 04:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  One major difference between Texas and Stanford is the number of varsity sports offered.

Stanford plays a lot of sports and a number of them are only played by a handful of schools.

that is something Texas really needs to address (along with the massive amount of AD administration overhead)

Texas should have beach volleyball, bowling, fencing and probably water polo

if not water polo then field hockey or lacrosse

when the replacement for the Drum is built Texas needs to have womens hockey

the money is there, it is crapped away in the Bellmont retirement center and it was crapped away on throw away facilities that never should have been built before they were torn down and replaced.....sometimes with something else that should not have been built and will eventually be torn down and replaced before the life span is over

No, there's really no need to play sports nobody in Texas is interested in. They should add men's soccer and women's gymnastics. A lot of Texas HSers get exported for college in those sports. Wrestling is probably the only other sport to be considered and it would be hard to be a national power there with the traditions of the Great Plains' states.
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(08-25-2016 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 11:52 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 07:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 06:47 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Enjoy it while you can because they will be back.

Honestly I can't really remember them ever being a power other than the Vince Young and Colt McCoy years.

ON PAPER....Texas should be competitive every year in every sport. Somewhere in the lifespan of the original Big XII, Texas ascended to super power not just as a football school, but as an Athletic University. They SHOULD be Stanford in all sports, and Notre Dame in football.

But everything hasn't exactly evolved that way....they probably should have left the regional confines of the SWC/Big XII a long time ago. They want to be a National Brand. They have the network for it, but their sports suck....

How many schools have 52 national championships? I guarantee the list is very short. How many schools have national championships in 11 different sports? The list is shorter. How many have national championships in 11 different sports played by more than 50 schools? Probably just Texas. Maybe Stanford.

And UCLA...
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One problem with Texas FB is they held onto a legendary coach too long - many schools have done that - FSU (Bobby Bowden), VT ( Frank Beamer), WVU (Don Nehlen), etc. If they are patient enough, two more years after this year, Strong will get them back to heights they have see before. Don't like it, but they will.
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Or Strong could be the Brady Hoke. And then they'll just throw a dump truck of cash at an elite name, next hire.

Point is, cash and fan support dictate that they can't remain down.
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(08-25-2016 04:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They should be in the top 25 every year just based on laundry (which says "Texas)" alone. Their basketball program should have been to about 5 Final Fours recently.

What's their beef?

Everyone thinks the flagship school in their state should be awesomez.

But the reality is that, Texas is only one fish in the pond when it comes to on the field results.
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(08-25-2016 04:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They should be in the top 25 every year just based on laundry (which says "Texas)" alone. Their basketball program should have been to about 5 Final Fours recently.

What's their beef?

So should UCLA, Florida, Buffalo (or Stony Brook or Syracuse), Penn State, UNC, Michigan and Ohio State.

People happen.

Just because these schools have the tremendous resources to succeed, they still need the right people to manage the resources.
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Buffalo? Really? More like Rutgers (and its proximity to NYC and Northern NJ).
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(08-31-2016 08:40 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Buffalo? Really? More like Rutgers (and its proximity to NYC and Northern NJ).

New Jersey is a mid-sized state. It is like saying Nevada should be big because it is close to California.
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Jersey is a pretty large state, especially given its proximity to the largest and fifth largest cities in the country and even Baltimore and DC, a relatively short train ride away. If Rutgers ever [cue the pointless refrain], they'd be pretty large.
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