via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)

Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10

Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

Big 12

Oklahoma & Baylor 45-25 (.643)
Rest of B12 86-200 (.301)

P12

Oregon & Stanford 55-24 (.696)
Rest of P12 103-244 (.297)

SEC

Alabama & LSU 62-22 (.738)
Rest of SEC 135-266 (.337)

If you're not the lead dog the view never changes.

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Yep, Clemson and FSU need to lose more to narrow that gap, I guess......

Without looking up the data, I suspect that the gap was probably smaller in the five years before that, when Va Tech and Ga Tech had the best conference records. If that is the case, does that make the league stronger then, or now? I'm not real sure what this "stat" is supposed to demonstrate.

(08-23-2016 06:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  Without looking up the data, I suspect that the gap was probably smaller in the five years before that, when Va Tech and Ga Tech had the best conference records. If that is the case, does that make the league stronger then, or now? I'm not real sure what this "stat" is supposed to demonstrate.

That the B1G is the weakest P5 & that the B12 is the most balanced?

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)

Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10

Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

Big 12

Oklahoma & Baylor 45-25 (.643)
Rest of B12 86-200 (.301)

P12

Oregon & Stanford 55-24 (.696)
Rest of P12 103-244 (.297)

SEC

Alabama & LSU 62-22 (.738)
Rest of SEC 135-266 (.337)

Why stop there? Let's see everyone's record.

Don't worry we will help FSU lose a little more this year!! :)

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?
CARRY ON.

The last holdouts in the ACC Misery Society need a 20-year supply of Prozac now.

So you are saying Clemson & FSU play an average of 5 teams per year with losing records?

I don't know how we all survived without Kaplony and his incredible insight the last few weeks.

That is a sobering stat. The rest of us better get our collective act together or Florida State and Clemson are going to leave…. Nah, I'm just kidding. Where else are they going to go?

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Exactly my immediate thought as well. This stat is kudos to Clemson and FSU. Other than that??? Not worth much of anything.

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Typical.

"Hey, we might be bad but at least we aren't the worst!"

#goacc in a nutshell

(08-24-2016 06:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Typical.

"Hey, we might be bad but at least we aren't the worst!"

#goacc in a nutshell

Except we're not bad. How is having the best top 2 a bad thing? If you're claiming that the other 12 are the worst - even 2nd worst - this data simply doesn't back that up at all.

We all know the ACC is still top-heavy, but the bottom part of the B12, PAC12, and B1G aren't much better. Kinda seems like splitting hairs to me. Note that the bottom parts of the B1G and B12 have played a lot less P5 teams with winning records.

(08-24-2016 06:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Typical.

"Hey, we might be bad but at least we aren't the worst!"

#goacc in a nutshell

USC, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, a top 10 Mississippi State team

all teams beat by non-FSU and Clemson ACC teams in the last 2 years.

We all get the ACC isn't the SEC in terms of depth, and we want to see it improve, but stop acting like there isn't legit football being played elsewhere in the conference.

(08-24-2016 06:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  via ESPN's David Hale on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status...5512581120
VS P5 teams that finished with a winning record the past 5 years:

Clemson & FSU 55-18 (.753)
Rest of the ACC 101-272 (.271)

The .482 difference is the largest gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference in the P5

Other P5 conferences:

Big 10
Ohio State & Michigan St 45-23 (.662)
Rest of B10 89-253 (.260)

STOP RIGHT THERE! So the reason the ACC is more top heavy is NOT because the bottom 12 are weaker than the Big Ten (they aren't), but because the top 2 are better... and this is supposed to be a problem?

CARRY ON.

Typical.

"Hey, we might be bad but at least we aren't the worst!"

#goacc in a nutshell

(08-24-2016 11:27 AM)GTTiger Wrote:  USC, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, a top 10 Mississippi State team

all teams beat by non-FSU and Clemson ACC teams in the last 2 years.

We all get the ACC isn't the SEC in terms of depth, and we want to see it improve, but stop acting like there isn't legit football being played elsewhere in the conference.

(08-24-2016 06:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Typical.
"Hey, we might be bad but at least we aren't the worst!"
#goacc in a nutshell

Take 20 years of these and stay away from sharp objects.