I thought Bush couldn't offer aid because it would be considered as act or war or illegal because the mayor of New Orleans didn't request it?

Or am I remembering wrong,?

Louisiana is about to be flooded with crap a lot worst than floodwaters.

(08-19-2016 08:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I thought Bush couldn't offer aid because it would be considered as act or war or illegal because the mayor of New Orleans didn't request it?

Or am I remembering wrong,?

You're opening a big ol' can of worms there.

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(08-19-2016 09:34 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 08:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I thought Bush couldn't offer aid because it would be considered as act or war or illegal because the mayor of New Orleans didn't request it?

Or am I remembering wrong,?

You're opening a big ol' can of worms there.

Am I correct or not?

That is my main concern.

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?

Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

Obama needed to be there because he in Hillary just cost themselves the election. A big part of leadership is optics. He's playing golf and Hillary is sleeping with a bag of fluid for her IV.

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(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?

Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

Since when did he care about causing traffic jams in disaster areas?

He made sure to show up in Tuscaloosa and cause massive problems.

You're desperate to come up with an excuse.

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?
Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

What exactly is FEMA--specifically, FEMA--doing this time that is different from what "Bush's FEMA" did?

(08-20-2016 09:34 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?

Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

Since when did he care about causing traffic jams in disaster areas?

He made sure to show up in Tuscaloosa and cause massive problems.

You're desperate to come up with an excuse.

Don't forget about New Jersy after Hurricane/Superstorm Sandy, where Obama was so concerned about the damage caused and the people affected he showed up and hindered relief efforts just so he could get reelected.

(08-20-2016 10:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?
Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

What exactly is FEMA--specifically, FEMA--doing this time that is different from what "Bush's FEMA" did?

Nothing. I was though sharply critical of not using military assets to get support to the Super Dome....and yes...I know it would have gone against the Constitution. Sometimes...you have to stand up and do the right thing and worry about the consequences later. That is leadership personified. I doubt anyone have objected anyway. One phone call could have put power generation equipment personnel and supplies at the SD within hours. JMO.

(08-20-2016 01:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 10:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?
Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

What exactly is FEMA--specifically, FEMA--doing this time that is different from what "Bush's FEMA" did?

Nothing. I was though sharply critical of not using military assets to get support to the Super Dome....and yes...I know it would have gone against the Constitution. Sometimes...you have to stand up and do the right thing and worry about the consequences later. That is leadership personified. I doubt anyone have objected anyway. One phone call could have put power generation equipment personnel and supplies at the SD within hours. JMO.

There was no reason to violate the constitution because the fix was as simple as the sh*t for brains governor simply signing a piece of paper, instead of saying she needed 24 hours to make a decision on that.

The lesson from Katrina is clear as night and day. Katrina hit Florida, yet Florida did ok. Katrina devastated Mississippi, yet Mississippi did ok . Katrina missed most of LA. Yet LA was not only devastated, but failed to take actions like they should have PRIOR to the hurricaine hitting, and then acting like a bunch of bumbling idiots after it hit, and then had a major human life catastrophe afterwards due to the idiots in charge there.

The difference in those 3 states? Florida and MS had republican governors. LA had a democratic governor.

(08-20-2016 02:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 01:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 10:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?
Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

What exactly is FEMA--specifically, FEMA--doing this time that is different from what "Bush's FEMA" did?

Nothing. I was though sharply critical of not using military assets to get support to the Super Dome....and yes...I know it would have gone against the Constitution. Sometimes...you have to stand up and do the right thing and worry about the consequences later. That is leadership personified. I doubt anyone have objected anyway. One phone call could have put power generation equipment personnel and supplies at the SD within hours. JMO.

There was no reason to violate the constitution because the fix was as simple as the sh*t for brains governor simply signing a piece of paper, instead of saying she needed 24 hours to make a decision on that.

The lesson from Katrina is clear as night and day. Katrina hit Florida, yet Florida did ok. Katrina devastated Mississippi, yet Mississippi did ok . Katrina missed most of LA. Yet LA was not only devastated, but failed to take actions like they should have PRIOR to the hurricaine hitting, and then acting like a bunch of bumbling idiots after it hit, and then had a major human life catastrophe afterwards due to the idiots in charge there.

The difference in those 3 states? Florida and MS had republican governors. LA had a democratic governor.

There is no doubt the the LA Governor and and NO Mayor share blame for lack of preparation and action. At what point though does the ineptitude of state and local government officials necessitate federal action...even unconstitutional action? I feel that point was reached in this case and lives could have been saved. JMO.

What Bush should have done was to call out Blanco's sorry ass as soon as it became obvious that she was clueless. I have friends in NOLA whose opinions I value, who have told me that Nagin was actually not a bad guy. But Blanco screwed the pooch big-time.

Once the decision was taken to shelter in place, catastrophe on a massive scale became unavoidable. Bush would have had to violate not only the constitution but also the laws of nature to have had a positive impact. The things that many seem to think he should have done were not physically possible. And as much as he was being castigated in the media for having taken too much power with the patRIOT act and all that, how bad would it have been if he had gone further? What if he had sent in the military? And no, one phone call would not have gotten sufficient power generation equipment to the Superdome. First, the equipment didn't exist. Second, what equipment did exist had largely been destroyed in the storm. Third, getting stuff to the Superdome was a major logistical nightmare. Getting anything there was a major problem. That's why sheltering there was such a stupid idea. Maybe not quite as stupid as we're going to make Iraq a democracy and that's going to stabilize the middle east. But in the same mind-numbingly idiotic territory.

barry is exercising his white privilege with the uptight liberals in martha's vineyard.

(08-20-2016 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What Bush should have done was to call out Blanco's sorry ass as soon as it became obvious that she was clueless. I have friends in NOLA whose opinions I value, who have told me that Nagin was actually not a bad guy. But Blanco screwed the pooch big-time.

Once the decision was taken to shelter in place, catastrophe on a massive scale became unavoidable. Bush would have had to violate not only the constitution but also the laws of nature to have had a positive impact. The things that many seem to think he should have done were not physically possible. And as much as he was being castigated in the media for having taken too much power with the patRIOT act and all that, how bad would it have been if he had gone further? What if he had sent in the military? And no, one phone call would not have gotten sufficient power generation equipment to the Superdome. First, the equipment didn't exist. Second, what equipment did exist had largely been destroyed in the storm. Third, getting stuff to the Superdome was a major logistical nightmare. Getting anything there was a major problem. That's why sheltering there was such a stupid idea. Maybe not quite as stupid as we're going to make Iraq a democracy and that's going to stabilize the middle east. But in the same mind-numbingly idiotic territory.

bush did everything a president could do short of invading an American state. what's mind numbingly idiotic is blaming george bush for what was quite obviously a local collapse.

and are you referring to federal inmate ray nagin, imprisoned for bribery and corruption committed while he was in office? I don't know who your friends are, but that's the very definition of a "bad guy". that same bad guy hid out on the 27th floor of the hyatt during katrina. he didn't leave his room. the misery in the superdome was literally across the street. he didn't give a ****.

the local officials dicked new orleans. dragging george bush into the abyss of failure is just buying into the crap that the MSM was peddling. the eye of Katrina passed 5 miles to the west of my family. I'm not guessing. I know what I'm talking about..

(08-20-2016 02:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 01:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 10:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 01:56 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why is Trump bringing his circus to Louisiana? Haven't those poor people been through enough?
Obama doesn't need to be there to help, and his being there would bring traffic jams and security requirements that would interfere with the response. His FEMA is showing Bush how you handle disaster relief (like he did with Sandy). Bush's Katrina response will always be one of the biggest blights on his historically ****** presidency.

What exactly is FEMA--specifically, FEMA--doing this time that is different from what "Bush's FEMA" did?

Nothing. I was though sharply critical of not using military assets to get support to the Super Dome....and yes...I know it would have gone against the Constitution. Sometimes...you have to stand up and do the right thing and worry about the consequences later. That is leadership personified. I doubt anyone have objected anyway. One phone call could have put power generation equipment personnel and supplies at the SD within hours. JMO.

There was no reason to violate the constitution because the fix was as simple as the sh*t for brains governor simply signing a piece of paper, instead of saying she needed 24 hours to make a decision on that.

The lesson from Katrina is clear as night and day. Katrina hit Florida, yet Florida did ok. Katrina devastated Mississippi, yet Mississippi did ok . Katrina missed most of LA. Yet LA was not only devastated, but failed to take actions like they should have PRIOR to the hurricaine hitting, and then acting like a bunch of bumbling idiots after it hit, and then had a major human life catastrophe afterwards due to the idiots in charge there.

The difference in those 3 states? Florida and MS had republican governors. LA had a democratic governor.

In 2004, I believe, Florida was hit by four hurricanes in about six weeks. The state managed to avoid imploding, as well as not blaming anything on Washington, D.C.

the difference is that Florida was effectively governed, and the situations were properly managed -- by a republican governor.

Louisiana screwed Louisiana. anything else is a fairy tale. case closed.

(08-21-2016 08:39 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What Bush should have done was to call out Blanco's sorry ass as soon as it became obvious that she was clueless. I have friends in NOLA whose opinions I value, who have told me that Nagin was actually not a bad guy. But Blanco screwed the pooch big-time.
Once the decision was taken to shelter in place, catastrophe on a massive scale became unavoidable. Bush would have had to violate not only the constitution but also the laws of nature to have had a positive impact. The things that many seem to think he should have done were not physically possible. And as much as he was being castigated in the media for having taken too much power with the patRIOT act and all that, how bad would it have been if he had gone further? What if he had sent in the military? And no, one phone call would not have gotten sufficient power generation equipment to the Superdome. First, the equipment didn't exist. Second, what equipment did exist had largely been destroyed in the storm. Third, getting stuff to the Superdome was a major logistical nightmare. Getting anything there was a major problem. That's why sheltering there was such a stupid idea. Maybe not quite as stupid as we're going to make Iraq a democracy and that's going to stabilize the middle east. But in the same mind-numbingly idiotic territory.

bush did everything a president could do short of invading an American state. what's mind numbingly idiotic is blaming george bush for what was quite obviously a local collapse.
and are you referring to federal inmate ray nagin, imprisoned for bribery and corruption committed while he was in office? I don't know who your friends are, but that's the very definition of a "bad guy". that same bad guy hid out on the 27th floor of the hyatt during katrina. he didn't leave his room. the misery in the superdome was literally across the street. he didn't give a ****.
the local officials dicked new orleans. dragging george bush into the abyss of failure is just buying into the crap that the MSM was peddling. the eye of Katrina passed 5 miles to the west of my family. I'm not guessing. I know what I'm talking about..

I don't think we are disagreeing substantively, but you apparently want to pick a fight.

It was a local screw up and there wasn't really anything Bush could have done better, except optics. Nor did FEMA screw up, for that matter. They did their job, it's just that people tried to make their job be something other than what it is.

As far a Nagin, the people I know in New Orleans basically say that he tried but couldn't really do anything with Blanco screwing things up. Either way, we agree, the problems were state and local, not federal. Other states got hit hard by Katrina, there have been other hurricanes since, including Gustav which hit New Orleans but with a different governor, and none of them ended up like this disaster.

Media totally misrepresented Bush, and FEMA, on this one. They got what they wanted, Obama in 2008.

(08-20-2016 03:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  At what point though does the ineptitude of state and local government officials necessitate federal action...even unconstitutional action? I feel that point was reached in this case and lives could have been saved. JMO.

I understand the sentiment here, particularly because this situation was locally handled so poorly, but bypassing checks and balances in the name of expediency is a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE. And one that I hold zero trust in our current Federal administration to make a "break the rules" decision for the correct, human, reasons, vice those very political ones they so seem to embrace.